For the people against the "part time" wrestlers

[Rated R Superstar]

The characters weren't made in WWF though, WWF just cashed in on characters already created.

 

[The Cork]

Okay, now that we know your definition of "made" is something completely different than everyone else, I can probably explain this better.

By made, what Legion and I mean is that WWE came up with the character, and the wrestler had hardly any experience before coming to WWE such as Rock. Austin had tons of experience, and the character that was so famous, he made in ECW. Hogan had made his rounds by the time he took off, and the Hulkamania character was already pretty big in AWA. WWE didn't make Austin or Hulk, they just cashed in on them.

Still totally disagree...

It wasn't clear cut path to superstardom at all, it wasn't like the case with Goldberg where the WWE just took a proven commodity in the exact same gimmick and carried it on in their company. Austin was a popular midcarder but you are exaggerating how popular he was in ECW, he had a cult following doing Hogan impressions and playing some wacky, zany guy, he was basically in the same spot as Zack Ryder early last year.....when the WWF took him they didn't use that character at all, they gave him some bland jobber gimmick and a mouthpiece. There was a long ass period where WWF carved out a character for him, not "see that shit you were doing in ECW, copy and paste"

AWA was terribly run and they pushed bores like Bockwinkel as champ ahead of Hogan. He wouldn't of got anywhere in that company. Vince had lightening in a bottle after Hogan made Rocky 3 so if you want so say he "got lucky", then fair enougj, but Vince and the WWF were solely responsible for Hogan blowing up by making him uber-pro America superhero babyface.

 

[Chris]

I'm not saying Vince wasn't the reason either of the guys "blew up" because he was, and the sole reason, I'm just saying Vince didn't make those guys, they made themselves, Vince just gave them the exposure they needed before. An example of WWE making someone would be Rock, Triple H, and Undertaker. Yes the last two were in other organizations before, but had little success, and their character that got famous was nothing like the ones they were trying to play before WWE.

 

[Troy]

I thought this thread was about booking a WM card without part-timers? Someone else post their card or at least someone give me some feedback on the one I posted. Should make it mandatory that you have to post a WM card without part-timers in order to have permission to post in this thread

 

[The Cork]

Mentioning Punk and Rock in the same thread is like mixing dynamite with fire.

 

[Darth Shizzel]

Mentioning anyone on the main roster with the rock there's a huge gap, Punk will need another few years at the top to be considered at Rock's level in terms of wrestling.

 

[Dale]

CM Punk could be at the top for the next 10 years, have another 10 title reigns and he still wouldn't be on The Rock's level. Not hating, just stating an almost fact.

 

[Captain Charisma]

CM Punk could be at the top for the next 10 years, have another 10 title reigns and he still wouldn't be on The Rock's level. Not hating, just stating an almost fact.

You are right but it has something to do with how wrestling was in Rock's time and how wrestling is now. There isn't big things like in Attitude Era now. He won't have such shiny storylines as The Rock had. Rock is a bigger superstar but Punk is a bigger wrestler for me, I mean in the ring.

 

[Darth Shizzel]

Sorry man gotta disagree Punk just needs to keep a tweener character going hell a lot of these guys should be tweener it would suit them well and they can get over well.

 

[Defiant]

CM Punk could be at the top for the next 10 years, have another 10 title reigns and he still wouldn't be on The Rock's level. Not hating, just stating an almost fact.

Pretty much described Cena there :rock2:

You're right in your statement, I doubt anyone will ever match the connection Rock had with a crowd. But give Punk 10 more years and 10 reigns, he'll definately be remembered.

 

[Dale]

Pretty much described Cena there :rock2:

You're right in your statement, I doubt anyone will ever match the connection Rock had with a crowd. But give Punk 10 more years and 10 reigns, he'll definately be remembered.

Cena definitley falls into that category too, I agree. They'll tell you anything and give him everything to try and put him on a pedestal with some of the all time greats but he just doesn't belong on same level. Can't blame the WWE though, they're just doing what they've gotta do.

 

[Deezy]

To the kids and mothers who love Cena and watch wrestling solely for him, he is on Rocks level if not more over, moot point.

Just because the Cena haters have more base in their voice doesn't mean he isn't as popular in the "WWE Universe". Have to remember who the people in that bubble are.

 

[We Are Legion]

Cena still isn't half as mainstream as Rock was in 2003, even before he became a full-fledged Hollywood actor.

I see Cena as being more on DX's level during the Attitude era. His fans like to do his hand gestures and repeat a few of his lines in public when opportunity rises, and he's many people's favorite wrestler. But he's never had the overboard raving cult following Rock has. Hardly anyone is cutting up and a having a good time the next day with their friends by just talking about Cena and not many people feel like they're "cool" to be a fan of his. Clearly some do, but again, it's not anywhere near as mainstream as Rock-worship used to be.

Some people will say "being cool has nothing to do with it", but it has everything to do with it. In 1999, if you had your own website on Angelfire or Tripod or Geocities, people thought you were a nerd. 5 years later, if you had the same thing on Facebook, you were "cool". Rock was "cool". So was Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan, and many other immortals. Cena isn't. Of course not all the blame goes on Cena for that, a lot of that has to do with the time and the current state of the wrestling industry, much like my comparison to social networking. Social Networking is "in" now, so now are a lot of sites like Tumblr, Twitter, Instagram, and hundreds of other sites that do basically the same thing Angelfire, Tripod, Xoom, and Geocities did in the 20th century... to give you a sense of individuality on the internet. Wrestling really isn't the fad it used to be so Cena could never match Rock's level of popularity. It won't happen ever. Cena will likely be long-retired before wrestling ever reaches another golden age where it's widely-accepted by the general public again, likely after under-going several metamorphoses of not just the wrestling product, but society in general. Maybe one day MMA will become frowned upon for whatever reason, maybe after the next GSP does something that makes Chris Benoit's murder/suicide look like jaywalking. Who knows. But right now the "cool" thing to watch for 1-on-1 gladiator-esque action is MMA, not wrestling.

 

[Darth Shizzel]

Wait who the hell said Cena was on the level of the Rock cause the women and kids watch him you are to facepalmed until further notice

 

[Deezy]

Wait who the hell said Cena was on the level of the Rock cause the women and kids watch him you are to facepalmed until further notice

That was me, and here is why I say this.

First off, people who hate Cena have been around forever and don't seem to effect business, hence the reason why Cena is constantly crammed down our throat. also, business is up this past year and further proves that statement. casuals buy shit, smarks stream shit via firstrow/frontrow ticket type places.

Further proving why Cena has been on Rocks level.....Why? Easy.....He sells just as much if not more, because the people who are his fans actually buy shit.

Hardcore fans are always going to be there, be it the sick pleasure of just wanting to bitch about it later online, but they are going to be there no matter what. Casuals are the money, and they are the ones to go for.