Christopher Dorner: Hero or Menace?

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

Now I am interested in finding out what everyone thinks of Che Guevara. A man who is widely recognized as a hero(the most famous picture is called Guerrillero Heroico, or Heroic Guerilla Fighter ), was known for being ruthless, and even killed innocents to get Castro into power, is not a fictonal character found in movies, tv, or comic books, and even wound up in Time Magazines top 100 most influential people of the 20th century.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

Now I am interested in finding out what everyone thinks of Che Guevara. A man who is widely recognized as a hero(the most famous picture is called Guerrillero Heroico, or Heroic Guerilla Fighter ), was known for being ruthless, and even killed innocents to get Castro into power, is not a fictonal character found in movies, tv, or comic books, and even wound up in Time Magazines top 100 most influential people of the 20th century.

Nobody is a hero if they kill innocent lives. Plain and simple.

 

[Deezy]

Now I am interested in finding out what everyone thinks of Che Guevara. A man who is widely recognized as a hero(the most famous picture is called Guerrillero Heroico, or Heroic Guerilla Fighter ), was known for being ruthless, and even killed innocents to get Castro into power, is not a fictonal character found in movies, tv, or comic books, and even wound up in Time Magazines top 100 most influential people of the 20th century.

You comparing a guy pissed off he got fired, to a guy who was overthrowing a US introduced despot?

Fine all those guys who gunned down the post offices back in the 90s are all martyrs. Head meet shake.....I suggest you try it.

Now I am interested in finding out what everyone thinks of Che Guevara. A man who is widely recognized as a hero(the most famous picture is called Guerrillero Heroico, or Heroic Guerilla Fighter ), was known for being ruthless, and even killed innocents to get Castro into power, is not a fictonal character found in movies, tv, or comic books, and even wound up in Time Magazines top 100 most influential people of the 20th century.

You comparing a guy pissed off he got fired, to a guy who was overthrowing a US introduced despot?

Fine all those guys who gunned down the post offices back in the 90s are all martyrs. Head meet shake.....I suggest you try it.

 

[Embrace Thou Maryse]

And my faith in humanity just went down alot more if people seriously consider him a hero. Hows killing the family of the lawyer who represented him justice in any way? That sounds more like John Travoltas character off Punisher...the bad guy. Same with killing other cops just doing their job and tracking down a dangerous and armed suspect. He's scum simple as that and I don't see why the media are portraying the police as bad guys for possibly intentionally blowing up the cabin he was hiding in.

 

[Troy]

Looks like he is dead after that fire in the cabin where he had the standoff with police just after he managed to kill another innocent person.

By doing all this the guy proved that he shouldn't have been on the police force because he isn't mentally stable and is a danger with a weapon. Will be a good ending if his body is indeed found in the remains of that fire.

 

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

Nobody is a hero if they kill innocent lives. Plain and simple.

Really? Then maybe you should actually do some research on real people who are treated like heroes. Were the Allies heroes? They stopped the Axis, but killed German children along the way, the US nuked 2 Japanesse cities, killing or poisoning thousands of innocent people, with weapons created thanks to Albert Einstein, someone who is also considered a scientific hero. What about The James Gang? robbing & killing innocent people, glorified as heroes. Even the slave uprising of Rome(I avoided the name Spartacus because it can be argueed if he was a real person, but the uprising did occur), the majority of their victims were guilty of being Roman, the Roman soldiers that took arms against them even killed innocent women & children. As it has been said, real life is not like a comic book, there is no black & white, just shades of grey.

 

[Rated R Superstar]

Really? Then maybe you should actually do some research on real people who are treated like heroes. Were the Allies heroes? They stopped the Axis, but killed German children along the way, the US nuked 2 Japanesse cities, killing or poisoning thousands of innocent people, with weapons created thanks to Albert Einstein, someone who is also considered a scientific hero. What about The James Gang? robbing & killing innocent people, glorified as heroes. Even the slave uprising of Rome(I avoided the name Spartacus because it can be argueed if he was a real person, but the uprising did occur), the majority of their victims were guilty of being Roman, the Roman soldiers that took arms against them even killed innocent women & children. As it has been said, real life is not like a comic book, there is no black & white, just shades of grey.

I have not stated anywhere that I consider the US heroes. In my honest opinion, if you kill any innocent people, you are not a hero. That's the way it should be.

 

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

I have not stated anywhere that I consider the US heroes. In my honest opinion, if you kill any innocent people, you are not a hero. That's the way it should be.

Yet, as history has proven, innocent lives are lost at the hands of heroes all the time. It might be hard to digest, but one persons freedom fighter, is another persons terrorist. Also, as much I may have issues with the way the US is run at times, I also remember that it is thanks to them that we are all not speaking German right now, just like at the exact same time, I must thank Hitler, for if he never started WWII the Great Depression could have lasted decades longer, if we were ever capable of recovering. The warmachine created jobs, which increased spending, which helped fix the economy. Nevermind the medical & technological breakthoughs the Nazi Regime was responsable for.

The victors write the history books, and typically remove their own heinous methods while doing so. Try looking at things from both sides to understand the whole story.

 

[zigglerHEEL]

Really? Then maybe you should actually do some research on real people who are treated like heroes. Were the Allies heroes? They stopped the Axis, but killed German children along the way, the US nuked 2 Japanesse cities, killing or poisoning thousands of innocent people, with weapons created thanks to Albert Einstein, someone who is also considered a scientific hero. What about The James Gang? robbing & killing innocent people, glorified as heroes. Even the slave uprising of Rome(I avoided the name Spartacus because it can be argueed if he was a real person, but the uprising did occur), the majority of their victims were guilty of being Roman, the Roman soldiers that took arms against them even killed innocent women & children. As it has been said, real life is not like a comic book, there is no black & white, just shades of grey.

I wouldn't describe any of the acts listed above as Heroic... what the Allies did and what happened during the slave uprising I would describe as necessary evils, the nuking of Japan was a clear overuse of power and terribly far from heroic... Albert Einstein is a hero of science, what others did with his discoveries and the evil brought forth from them are no fault of his, and the James Gang are more marvels and legendary characters in our history (same as the Hatfields and McCoys).... This man Chris Dorner, although his initial intentions may have started out good (wanting to end racism amongst his fellow officers), has taken out a personal war amongst many that have zero involvement in anything related to his initial cause... i'd go as far as to say he used his quest against racism as a personal excuse to go on a murderous rampage and feed his mental instability... The man is EVIL in its purest form, no different than Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho, John Allen Muhammad, etc.......

 

[Embrace Thou Maryse]

History is rewritten by the victors. History tells us Hitler was pure evil from the moment he was born and the Allies never hurt a single innocent, while that couldn't be further from the truth.

This lunatic shouldn't go down as a hero though in anyones book.

 

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

I wouldn't describe any of the acts listed above as Heroic... what the Allies did and what happened during the slave uprising I would describe as necessary evils, the nuking of Japan was a clear overuse of power and terribly far from heroic... Albert Einstein is a hero of science, what others did with his discoveries and the evil brought forth from them are no fault of his, and the James Gang are more marvels and legendary characters in our history (same as the Hatfields and McCoys).... This man Chris Dorner, although his initial intentions may have started out good (wanting to end racism amongst his fellow officers), has taken out a personal war amongst many that have zero involvement in anything related to his initial cause... i'd go as far as to say he used his quest against racism as a personal excuse to go on a murderous rampage and feed his mental instability... The man is EVIL in its purest form, no different than Adam Lanza, Seung-Hui Cho, John Allen Muhammad, etc.......

So then what is the point of Veterans/Memorial/Rememberance day? If our soldiers are not heroes, who fight for our way of life, to defend our homelands, than who is? Your comment reminds me of just one quote, "if you dont stand behind our troops, feel free to stand infront of them".

 

[zigglerHEEL]

So then what is the point of Veterans/Memorial/Rememberance day? If our soldiers are not heroes, who fight for our way of life, to defend our homelands, than who is? Your comment reminds me of just one quote, "if you dont stand behind our troops, feel free to stand infront of them".

dude, now YOU are comparing this piece of trash to the brave men and women that serve in armed forces all around the world.... Do I think putting ones life on the line in order to protect the lives of others is heroic? absolutely YES... Do I think everything they do in order to protect my rights is heroic? Absolutely NO.. There can be seperation in these cases.. The Allies helped free thousands and thousands of imprisoned innocents which in totality is Heroic but specific actions taken in order to get there were certainly not heroic but unfortunate and I'm sure in some cases some of those soldiers took freedoms with their responsibilities and innocent lives were taken that didn't need to be and those men are far from Heroes.... my BIG point in this whole thread is this man has done NOTHING that could even remotely be considered heroic. He has used his belief of racism amongst his peers to feed his already existent murderous intentions and now tries to justify the killing of people who are completely irrelevant to his "cause".. The man is sick and evil and if you don't see that, then I question whether you aren't 1 click away yourself

 

[ThatGuyFromNukemHigh]

You were the one that said "I wouldn't describe any of the acts listed above as Heroic", you were the one who went against the brave men & women. I have also never once stated that "I believe Chris Dorner is a hero". All I have been trying to do is prove the point that heroes kill innocents too, that the world is not as black & white as some in this thread make it out to be.

Will Mother Theresa be remembered in another decade? She is the best example of a real life hero I can think of, and yet she is hardly talked about now. Yet people like Charles Manson, Ed Gien, Charlie Starkweather, H.H. Holmes, Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dahmer, & John Wayne Gacy(who yet again, some people consider heroes) will be remembered. This IS the world we live in, weather you like it, or not.

 

[zigglerHEEL]

ok, I agree that in some cases it can not be as "black and white" as most would like... For instance, I would consider the men who overtook the terrorists on 9/11 on the 4th plane.... They knew that by overtaking the terrorists the plane would surely crash and the rest of their innocent co-passengers would die, but they may have saved hundreds, if not thousands, of lives by doing so and I would most certainly call their actions heroic (although I guess it could be argued the people would've died either way)... And I understand the glorification of serial killers and that they will certainly be remembered as much if not more than the great "heroes" of our time, it does not change their actions and the EVIL they were and are consumed with.... It is truly sad that anyone could possibly think that any of the men you mentioned are even slightly heroic and I'm scared to think of what the people who think that way are capable of themselves.... and Finally you started this thread under the headline "Christopher Dorner: Hero or Menace?" and while I understand you were trying to convey that there are people out there who are fucked up enough to actually think this guy is a Hero, you have to understand that by posting it as you did that some of us might come to question whether you, yourself, might feel that way

 

[Deezy]

So now this guy is being compared to serial killers? What happened to Che?

This is still a ludicrous thread, and it doesn't justify 3 pages tbh. This guy was targeting civillians, hardly a heroic act.