Cena > Hart

[CenaMark54]

^^^So you are glad he is injured? Congrats for being a jackass.

Why don't you post a vid of your awesome wrestling moves, since you claimed to be a better wrestler than John Cena.

1. You telling me to think a certain way isn't going to make me say "Cena Blows" I have the right to like whatever I want, regardless of whether or not its cool.

2. You are right. He will never be The Rock, Austin or Hogan. They are the three best of all time.

3. You are right. He isn't HBK or Hart. He is better. Go ask anyone who matters in the WWE and they will tell you how valuable Cena is. HBK and Hart were never as important as Cena.

4. He doesn't have a superman gimmick. Top faces have been booked this way since the beginning of the industry.

5. He was never a Mafia member. It was an entrance. SO by your estimation, HHH must have been Conan the Destroyer and a member of Motorhead.

6. How is he overrated if, according to you, everyone hates him? Should people hate him more? Make up your mind.

7. When has Cena ever tried to act like the Rock. The Rock was a cocky 3rd generation star. Cena has never had a cocky gimmick.

8. How are his moves anymore "wackest" than HHH, HBK, Orton, The Rock, Austin, Hogan, Hart, Punk, JBL, Foley....etc etc. Just about the only one in the WWE who has been given an extensive moveset is Taker, but even that is watered down.

9. You said, and I quote. "Cena is not loved, he is more hated then loved." The first part of that sentence implies everyone hates him. The second implies that he is hated and loved, yet hated more. Which is it?

10. I'm not "11 or someshit" In fact, I have been watching wrestling longer than you have been alive.

11. Don't call me kid.

12. Why don't you post the ONS 2 video to further your point that everyone hates him? Afterall, all those ECW original fans can't be wrong. They are so cutting edge.

13. Cena has had some of the best matches in the WWE in the last several years
vs Edge TLC
vs Umaga RR
vs HBK Mania
vs HBK Raw

 

[Airfixx]

@ Sneeky Bastard: You're a bit crap at discussing/debating things aren't you?


"[I'm Right] - Nuff Said" (As quoted from numerous posts)

"[I'm Right] - Shut the fuck up" (As quoted from numerous posts)

"I didn't even read all of that cause i am not wasting my time" (But you will happily argue about it much the same... Priceless!*)




...You seem like a five year old with their fingers stuck in their ears going "na, na, na, na, na".






(*No wrestling-related pun of any kind intended.)

 

[Quintastic One]

I find it extremely funny that my post was ignored by Sneaky Bastard because he probably knows he didn't have a leg to stand on against my points. I also find it hilarious that people keep on posting in this topic over and over again saying "Nuff Said" as if that's going to stop people from arguing over this point. It's almost like Majesty saying "Owned" and getting banned for it, I think if all these people are going to post are one line arguments saying "Nuff Said" they should probably get a warning.

Point is, Cena has passion on the mike, and works his ass off everyday to be as entertaining as he can be. Bret Hart had passion also, in the ring. He wouldn't of had such memorable matches against Shawn Michaels and Owen Hart if he couldn't tell a damn good story in the ring.

But comparing them to the then and now, it's nearly impossible. It's two completely different decades, with two completely different fanbases when it comes to what draws, what kind of merchandise was sold, and how the companies were run as a whole.

But nobody can deny John Cena being a great wrestler. He may not of reached legendary status yet like Hart or Taker or HBK, but he's still got a long ass time in this business. Bret Hart was still wrestling in his forties. Cena easily still has over a decade worth of wrestling left in him, so come back to this argument in ten years time, and discuss who made a bigger impact on the sport, but right now you're comparing 10 or 15 years in the wrestling business to a guy who's been in it for not even 10. It can't be done.

 

[Chain-gang-soilder]

ok iam the biggest john cena fan nd the biggest wrestling fan and uses guys have no clue what your talking about owen hart is a legend eventhough his carrer ended tragic he has accomplished more then cena

now john cena has been with the wwe since 2002 he was won 3 us titles 3 wwe titles 2 tag titles main evented wrestlemania 21-22-23-24 won the 2008 royal rumble all 3 of his wwe title reigns witch he held first title reign 280 days second title reign was 133 days and his 3rd title reign was 380 days thats a total of 793 days

and now brett hart lets start with stampede wrestling brett was a stampede british commonwealth mid heavyweight champion and he was a stampede international tag team champion and a north american heavyweight champion and is in the stampede wrestling hall of fame now wcw he was a 4 time us champ a 2 time wcw champ and a wcw tag team champin the world wrestling council he was a wwc caribbean tag champ and in the wwf he was wwf champ 5 times ic champ 2 times tag team champ 2 times and in the wwe hall of fame



now for all you cena marks yall aint know nothing now me a true cena fan knows more about cena then any of you cena marks so yall should shut up cause you all looking dumb

 

[CenaMark54]

^^^^Ok Sneeky Bastard

 

[Chain-gang-soilder]

that aint him iam his friend who lives down the street

 

[CenaMark54]

that aint him iam his friend who lives down the street

I haven't heard that one before.

 

[Travis40]

that aint him iam his friend who lives down the street

Holy crap, that one is new!

:shifty:

 

[J]

Lmao. What a tool. "My friend from down the straight".

 

[Chain-gang-soilder]

ok brah believe what you all i know is that you claim you a john cena fan come on brah raise up you aint a cena fan like me so homie either you show me right now how big of a cena fan you are or be a bitch nd dont talk

cenamark54 is nothing

 

[CenaMark54]

I'm not your brah

 

[Chain-gang-soilder]

raise up brah if you think you know more about cena den prove it but i doubt you do unlike me

 

[Sneeky Bastard]

I'm not Chain gang soilder... So think before you speak dumbasses.

But man... Holy shit, i was out for a little bit and i miss all of this. Man you people must have no life... Being glued to the computer is pretty pathetic. I bet you guys are nerds... Now it's my turn, again... (I'm not trying to call anyone out, it's just that people think i am on my comp 24/7 but obviously im not a loser... Sorry if i afended you).

1. It seems we have yet another person i must shut up, and his name is The Quintastic One(What a dumb name)]

2. CenaMark, i am not in anyway telling you to say "Cena Blows" now, i even said and i qoute: "I respect your opinion", there for i know you wont change your mind and i honestly don't care. But what i do care is that dumbass fans think Cena is better than Bret. I'm sorry that is no comparision.

3. He is no way in anyway better than HBK. Have you even seen his old matches? You must be some kiss ass to Cena.

4. He does have a superman gimmick. He supposely has super strentgh, and to top it off he can't lose other than facing a top face, HHH, or someone who happens to cheat.

5. I never said he was apart of the Mafia, i clearly said he wanted to be, and acted as if he was. Which he will never be. All i was saying is that all 3 gimmicks are pretty lame(the recent one being the lamest), actually he has 4 so all of them are lame.

6. I never said everyone hated him, you got misleaded i guess, and didnt fully understand me. I said most people hate him for being overrated. If you say he isn't overrated than why can't he lose unless it's against HHH, a top face, and a person who cheats? His move-set is awful and his mic skills are stale so he is overrated for being a top guy.

7. He trys to be him, by trying to be a crowd favorite, which he will never be. The rock was cocky but he also got involved with the crowd, Cenas trys doing this but never will he have an ovation like Rock. He doesn't even come close to Hardys ovations.

8. I never said HHH, but his moves are Wacker than HBK, cause that guy is in fact the show stopper, he used to do moonsualts, cross bodys, piledrivers, atomic drops, suplex's(when he does this it doesn't look awkard like Cena's), and many more(seriously, alot more). I really didn't say Orton but i guess his moves are better cause they have more creativity. You can't be serious about the Rocks move-set? He did alot of moves and i dont feel liek naming them. Austin had that spice in his moves, i don't know what it is but he is a better seller, does moves cleanly, and knows what he's doing every step of the way. I never said JBL either. But Punk, are you serious? Have you seen the guy preform in the other wrestling promotions? Obviously not, the guy was great there, once a heel turn comes with Punk you'll see why, and his move-set are far more advanced than Cena's. Have you also seen Foley in ECW? I guess not, he is way better than Cena in everyway. Same goes for the rest.

9. This is the thing i am most sorry for, i had a slight typo and meant "Cena is loved, he's more hated than loved tho", sorry for the typo, folks.

10. If you have been watching more wrestling than me, then you would have a better favorite than the piece of shit known as "The WWE(worst wrestler ever)" John Cena.

11. I can call who ever kid... Understand? Kid.

12. I can't understand you when you where talking about ONS, but what ever.

13. All those matches where carried by the opponent, Edge's TLC match ebign the best, i gues... i never watched all of Cena matches but seen many and got disgusted in his ability.

To, airfixx...

I am not 5, dont be mad that my logic is far surpier to yours. You Cena marks are hating on me cause i am simply right.


The Quintastic One, i don't know what you're talking about. Which comment? And btw im not a loser(not calling anyone here a loser) that stays by my Computer, sorry if that was in anyway in your mind. I do have a life, and i attend to live it.

Cena may have pssion, i respect that... But he should bring that passion to the training facility's that he goes to and be driven to learn more moves. He should also, before he learns more moves, leanr to master his moves now... He looks to awkard.

Cena is not GREAT. He may be good but not great. The great word is used too much. Look at Kennedy, he's great but not legendary. Why is he great? Cause he has it all... And you can't say he doesn't. Camparing these guys is impossible but the only thing i see that Cena has a slight edge is how much merchandise people buy... Other than that he wont be as big.


So... Who's next to reply....

 

[CenaMark54]

I'm not Chain gang soilder... So think before you speak dumbasses.

But man... Holy shit, i was out for a little bit and i miss all of this. Man you people must have no life... Being glued to the computer is pretty pathetic. I bet you guys are nerds... Now it's my turn, again...

You have replied to this thread more than anyone. Plus you made up another account because your arguments are weak. Thats pretty nerdy.

1. It seems we have yet another person i must shut up, and his name is The Quintastic One(What a dumb name)]

Good one.

2. CenaMark, i am not in anyway telling you to say "Cena Blows" now, i even said and i qoute: "I respect your opinion", there for i know you wont change your mind and i honestly don't care. But what i do care is that dumbass fans think Cena is better than Bret. I'm sorry that is no comparision.

You respect my opinion, yet you think i'm a dumbass for having my opinion. You make som much sense.

3. He is no way in anyway better than HBK. Have you even seen his old matches? You must be some kiss ass to Cena.

HBK was never a draw. Cena is. Cased closed.

4. He does have a superman gimmick. He supposely has super strentgh, and to top it off he can't lose other than facing a top face, HHH, or someone who happens to cheat.

He only loses to a top face or a heel? Who does that leave? Should Super Crazy be pinning him clean.

5. I never said he was apart of the Mafia, i clearly said he wanted to be, and acted as if he was. Which he will never be. All i was saying is that all 3 gimmicks are pretty lame(the recent one being the lamest), actually he has 4 so all of them are lame.

Being in the Mafia was never a gimmick.

6. I never said everyone hated him, you got misleaded i guess, and didnt fully understand me. I said most people hate him for being overrated. If you say he isn't overrated than why can't he lose unless it's against HHH, a top face, and a person who cheats? His move-set is awful and his mic skills are stale so he is overrated for being a top guy.

Don't balme me for not beng able to understand you. "misleaded"

7. He trys to be him, by trying to be a crowd favorite, which he will never be. The rock was cocky but he also got involved with the crowd, Cenas trys doing this but never will he have an ovation like Rock. He doesn't even come close to Hardys ovations.

So the Rock was the only one ever to try and be a crowd favorite? So anyone trying to be a fan favorite is ripping off the Rock. Everyone must have been a heel before the Rock came along.

Also I remember a few Die Rocky Die chants back in the day when he was a face. The Rock must suck too.

8. I never said HHH, but his moves are Wacker than HBK, cause that guy is in fact the show stopper, he used to do moonsualts, cross bodys, piledrivers, atomic drops, suplex's(when he does this it doesn't look awkard like Cena's), and many more(seriously, alot more). I really didn't say Orton but i guess his moves are better cause they have more creativity. You can't be serious about the Rocks move-set? He did alot of moves and i dont feel liek naming them. Austin had that spice in his moves, i don't know what it is but he is a better seller, does moves cleanly, and knows what he's doing every step of the way. I never said JBL either. But Punk, are you serious? Have you seen the guy preform in the other wrestling promotions? Obviously not, the guy was great there, once a heel turn comes with Punk you'll see why, and his move-set are far more advanced than Cena's. Have you also seen Foley in ECW? I guess not, he is way better than Cena in everyway. Same goes for the rest.

:repuke:

9. This is the thing i am most sorry for, i had a slight typo and meant "Cena is loved, he's more hated than loved tho", sorry for the typo, folks.

Right, he is loved by many.

10. If you have been watching more wrestling than me, then you would have a better favorite than the piece of shit known as "The WWE(worst wrestler ever)" John Cena.

I clearly don't know shit.

11. I can call who ever kid... Understand? Kid.

ok Brah

12. I can't understand you when you where talking about ONS, but what ever.

You know wrestling, alright.

13. All those matches where carried by the opponent, Edge's TLC match ebign the best, i gues... i never watched all of Cena matches but seen many and got disgusted in his ability.

You must have missed every PPV Cena has been on then.

 

[Travis40]

I'm not Chain gang soilder... So think before you speak dumbasses.

But man... Holy shit, i was out for a little bit and i miss all of this. Man you people must have no life... Being glued to the computer is pretty pathetic. I bet you guys are nerds... Now it's my turn, again... (I'm not trying to call anyone out, it's just that people think i am on my comp 24/7 but obviously im not a loser... Sorry if i afended you).

1. It seems we have yet another person i must shut up, and his name is The Quintastic One(What a dumb name)]

2. CenaMark, i am not in anyway telling you to say "Cena Blows" now, i even said and i qoute: "I respect your opinion", there for i know you wont change your mind and i honestly don't care. But what i do care is that dumbass fans think Cena is better than Bret. I'm sorry that is no comparision.

3. He is no way in anyway better than HBK. Have you even seen his old matches? You must be some kiss ass to Cena.

4. He does have a superman gimmick. He supposely has super strentgh, and to top it off he can't lose other than facing a top face, HHH, or someone who happens to cheat.

5. I never said he was apart of the Mafia, i clearly said he wanted to be, and acted as if he was. Which he will never be. All i was saying is that all 3 gimmicks are pretty lame(the recent one being the lamest), actually he has 4 so all of them are lame.

6. I never said everyone hated him, you got misleaded i guess, and didnt fully understand me. I said most people hate him for being overrated. If you say he isn't overrated than why can't he lose unless it's against HHH, a top face, and a person who cheats? His move-set is awful and his mic skills are stale so he is overrated for being a top guy.

7. He trys to be him, by trying to be a crowd favorite, which he will never be. The rock was cocky but he also got involved with the crowd, Cenas trys doing this but never will he have an ovation like Rock. He doesn't even come close to Hardys ovations.

8. I never said HHH, but his moves are Wacker than HBK, cause that guy is in fact the show stopper, he used to do moonsualts, cross bodys, piledrivers, atomic drops, suplex's(when he does this it doesn't look awkard like Cena's), and many more(seriously, alot more). I really didn't say Orton but i guess his moves are better cause they have more creativity. You can't be serious about the Rocks move-set? He did alot of moves and i dont feel liek naming them. Austin had that spice in his moves, i don't know what it is but he is a better seller, does moves cleanly, and knows what he's doing every step of the way. I never said JBL either. But Punk, are you serious? Have you seen the guy preform in the other wrestling promotions? Obviously not, the guy was great there, once a heel turn comes with Punk you'll see why, and his move-set are far more advanced than Cena's. Have you also seen Foley in ECW? I guess not, he is way better than Cena in everyway. Same goes for the rest.

9. This is the thing i am most sorry for, i had a slight typo and meant "Cena is loved, he's more hated than loved tho", sorry for the typo, folks.

10. If you have been watching more wrestling than me, then you would have a better favorite than the piece of shit known as "The WWE(worst wrestler ever)" John Cena.

11. I can call who ever kid... Understand? Kid.

12. I can't understand you when you where talking about ONS, but what ever.

13. All those matches where carried by the opponent, Edge's TLC match ebign the best, i gues... i never watched all of Cena matches but seen many and got disgusted in his ability.

To, airfixx...

I am not 5, dont be mad that my logic is far surpier to yours. You Cena marks are hating on me cause i am simply right.


The Quintastic One, i don't know what you're talking about. Which comment? And btw im not a loser(not calling anyone here a loser) that stays by my Computer, sorry if that was in anyway in your mind. I do have a life, and i attend to live it.

Cena may have pssion, i respect that... But he should bring that passion to the training facility's that he goes to and be driven to learn more moves. He should also, before he learns more moves, leanr to master his moves now... He looks to awkard.

Cena is not GREAT. He may be good but not great. The great word is used too much. Look at Kennedy, he's great but not legendary. Why is he great? Cause he has it all... And you can't say he doesn't. Camparing these guys is impossible but the only thing i see that Cena has a slight edge is how much merchandise people buy... Other than that he wont be as big.


So... Who's next to reply....

wow...you say you're not 5...but you have the vocabulary of someone who is 3...

And you said that The Quintastic One is a weird name...what kind of name is Sneeky Bastard?...do you know that you spelled "Sneaky" wrong?