Castlevania Mafia - Game Thread

[Evans]

I'm here boys, typing up a big boy message x

 

[Showtime]

this is boring

vote rugrat


WHO IS DOWN? come down, enjoy the town. do something.

 

[Grimoire Lenin]

On play though, I'll give a very admittedly flimsy reason for why I think Chris is *probably* town on play. I don't think I've ever seen scum Chris push someone he is Poyser to this much of an extent. Scum Chris is more amiable and just lets others dictate the pace while he more or less just passively posts vague thoughts. It's how he's gotten by for so long on so many games. Unless he's gone and changed up his scum game, I don't really see a reason to scum lean him other than the claim and character to coincide with it, since Maria is the most broken character in Rondo of Blood. But again, char spec.

 

[Wang Chung]

Just had a weird feeling at first, play around Barry and the vote/unvote mostly bc I didn't really agree with the reasons he scum read Barry at first, then I felt the one post he quoted to change his mind was a bit weak (though in my original post I said I wasn't sure how I felt about this bc changing your mind like that is generally a more towny thing to do) but then once he started pressing me after that for my own read on Barry I thought he was grasping and trying to find any reason to scum read me (cajoling him, acting like I contradicted myself on his Ace vote when I didn't) Even his original press on me was weak af I thought bc I gave good reasons (IMO and obviously Poyser disagrees) for why I thought Grim was town before that one post and he then made it "well the soft wasn't exactly part of the Evans interaction so how does he look good off of Evans" when I'm 99% sure the "soft" (that was pointed out by another player already) was during that argument

It was somewhat during that part and near the end. He had also mention "bodies" to people which I read as him killing them as his soft. Like he could take them out. Grave digger didn't cross my mind.



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[Showtime]

On play though, I'll give a very admittedly flimsy reason for why I think Chris is *probably* town on play. I don't think I've ever seen scum Chris push someone he is Poyser to this much of an extent. Scum Chris is more amiable and just lets others dictate the pace while he more or less just passively posts vague thoughts. It's how he's gotten by for so long on so many games. Unless he's gone and changed up his scum game, I don't really see a reason to scum lean him other than the claim and character to coincide with it, since Maria is the most broken character in Rondo of Blood. But again, char spec.

what do you think of poyser, do you agree with his read?

i didnt read up until that point, so any opinions would be welcome

@Big Man any other thoughts?

 

[Wang Chung]

i dont think scum barry has any reason to not just answer these questions. like there's no benefit there as scum.





why do you/did you have me town on play.

this feels GENERIC.

Just based upon your interactions early on I felt was town. Still feel that way.

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[Evans]

If formatting or typos appear, fuck Tweet for not allowing edits. I will try my best to format this all into one and will breakdown my thoughts on leans.




@Raidokken - first off, apologies - been a bit wound up today and came across a bit strong in some of my posts towards yourself.

Re: your receipts around the buddying of Poyser and my scum lean on you:

Spoiler: Haza

do you think it's more likely he was just voting Jeff for "obv jokes" then?

I mean I don’t think the joke was serious, no. How could it be

This interaction around Magic just felt super disingenuous to me and felt like you were asking really obvious questions to try and look town to Poyser who was just starting to question you and Jeff throwing a vote on you (this felt like the real start of your wagon, not Barry's 'joke vote' which I will return to in Barry's section).

Although I'll happily admit that this post did ease my suspicion a tad:

How many times have you and Magic played together now? What is more likely? town!Magic has spotted a tell in voting Jeff in the many games he has played with Jeff and is now looking to exploit that to identify his alignment, or scum/town!Magic is just voting Jeff for the "obv jokes"

But then you undid that with this post, trying to apply the "better player logic" to try and ease off Poysers confusion at the points you were making.

I think I misread your post. It's not really a meta read. I very rarely make those if ever.

It's basically a general observation that a stronger player is more likely to place votes with reasons than as a joke. I don't recall Magic making many joke votes here.

You then broke down your point IMO with this:

Yes but that isn't joke voting or voting without reason. He has reasons for voting newer players/inactives and he provides them

If it wasn't a joke vote, then Magic surely would have given a reason, no?

i legit just voted jeff because he was the only other poster to have posted and was in the thread.

And that's the icing on the cake really.

Then came the interaction with Poyser around myself. I mean, I personally disagree with my posting being different - I haven't felt any different nor intentionally acting different. Maybe real life WIFOM stuff has impacted, not really worth discussing it tbh.

These are Poysers posts to me/about me

vote EV

EV what do you think about magic

FYI the feeling is that it seems to me like EV is picking and choosing his moments to post atm

Like he’s clearly in the thread, but he just doesn’t post for a while other than to weigh in on certain things he feels comfortable elaborating on (like the jeff comparison which wasn’t entirely apt). As town last game he was like a constant stream of thoughts and posts even if half of his early stuff was fluff and jokes

(+ a discussion around what I act like as scum with Magic that I've now closed the tab and cba finding again) then boom this:

I like Poyser's idea on scaredscum!EV. He is much more timid than he has been in his recent town games

You're a strong player Haza and I agree with your statement throughout the game that you don't tend to buddy people in the vein of ass kissing and seeking approval to get a town read, but partnered with my initial suspicion around your play trying to diffuse Poysers questioning around you and the quick jumping in with scared scum (which a scum lean was never really mentioned by Poyser, he's in fact stated that he was doing it to kick me in activity).

Now, town Haza that I know, if you had picked up at the quickest sniff of someone acting differently that gives you the lean of that person being scum, it's the same deal that I've also picked up from Barry towards you. Why not raise this yourself earlier on in the thread?

@Grim Cornette - I hope the above answers your question to myself about Haza, pls let me know if you have further.

Apologies to yourself as well for coming a bit strong and maybe not playing in the best mindset which obviously caused some friction.

Here's my thoughts on Barry.

Spoiler: Barry

As I attempt to put eloquently as possible earlier, my initial sus around Barry is his push (or lack there of) on Haza.

Vote: Haza

Me no like Haza.

Here's the initial 'joke vote' that once no-sold by Haza, suddenly became a legit vote based off of his interaction with Jeff

I know, and I don't care, at all.

Didn't have a reason, it was a joke vote. Just got tired of voting Jeff every game so decided to switch it up. But that exchange with Jeff gave me some good reason to keep my vote.

Another thing I notice is asking me for my reasoning for a Page 2 vote on my very first post of the game when it's prime joke vote territory. Town Haza probably wouldn't give a shit about a vote on him *that* early in the game unless it's a bigger player.

What threw me with Barry is that 11 minutes later after this post ^ about his reasoning and why he thinks Haza is not playing with his usual town meta - he suddenly switches to talking about Banez? No further push on Haza, just let a thread like that go and moved onto Banez and then the interaction with myself about his lack of conviction on Haza.

I too agree with Banez lack of temerity.

I think Banez was scum in that game.

Also doing this whole "what was their first post like" schtick isn't exactly a good way to read someone, as scum Sky pointed out.

Town Barry doesn't let go of something like that, especially with a player in Haza's tier. There was no conviction, it just felt like paper pushing (if that's the right term?) or a token case that he never intended to follow up on, just to appear like he was actively looking for info.

Now, Barry's responses after are a bit venomous, but not the normal level of aggression I'd expect to receive from Barry if the recent games I've played are anything to go by.

I never switched to Banez. I stated my agreement that he's usually more self-aggrandizing.

But whatever. CBA'd to deal with you. You never even stated your agreement or lack-thereof with me regarding Haza, either. Why did you try switching the conversation from my points to Haza and make it about a different matter entirely?

Does town Barry, with the level of conviction we know from him really just give up when he's being challenged over his alignment?Pretty sure we've seen a few "just lynch me then" posts from Barry through the ages.

Up until this point, I was closer to null with Barry - he did make some good points.

Then...

Uh, I voted him first, left my vote on him, and forced him to claim. What even is this.

Why is Barry trying to take credit for the wagon? The first vote was a joke, he has been challenged over a complete lack of push on Haza and this was his "forcing Haza to claim" post:

Please claim, Haza.

Funny that Haza didn't even acknowledge Barry's post as it was posted literally 3 minutes before his claim.

Most likely you and banez based on flimsyness of reasoning for voting for me, Magic seems to have reasons that seem to be him misunderstanding my posts??? I still like your point about EV and could see him being scum as I think there is a big difference in freedom between my game and this. I don't think you being the one to point it out as possible cowardly scum means you couldn't be aligned.

You still want me to claim, do you realise how terrible this wagon is lol. It's literally all random points that are NAI or thinking i'm scummy which I am EVERY GAME

I'm a glyph absorber lol, it seems to just be another name for grave digger that i've never seen before.

If one of these was to flip scum, I would happily be looking into the other one after it based off of this interaction and Barry's attempting to look good off of the Haza wagon when A) He's not even flipped B) he's done fuck all on it.

@Poyser I am currently re-reading on Chris & Ace but my initial thoughts on him give me a similar vibe to the interaction I had with him last game about Barry funnily enough!

I had made a mistake that game over Barry saying Jeff was confirmed town when he said confirmed love. After the interaction with Barry had finished, Chris piped up in similar fashion to how he's debating with you and turns out he had misread my entire point. That's how I'm interpreting his interaction with you so far over the scum reads.

 

[Showtime]

Just based upon your interactions early on I felt was town. Still feel that way.

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thoughts on my rugrat vote, wangus?

would you vote there?

would you not?

why or why not?

 

[Showtime]

literally lol at anyone that thinks evans is scum

 

[Wang Chung]

thoughts on my rugrat vote, wangus?

would you vote there?

would you not?

why or why not?

Still reading fhrough and just got past the quoted post you had of mine. I will respond again once I finish reading through

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[RDK]

Oof, you had to wait until a left the office and am now confined to my phone to send that evans lol. Let me get my glasses

Thank you for addressing me btw

 

[RDK]

literally lol at anyone that thinks evans is scum

Why?

Do you think the extent of his thirst for my blood seems similar to that of his theory last game that he pushed super hard as town? I will admit that is starting to tilt my read on him, I havent read what he just said yet mind you so let's see

 

[Evans]

Why?

Do you think the extent of his thirst for my blood seems similar to that of his theory last game that he pushed super hard as town? I will admit that is starting to tilt my read on him, I havent read what he just said yet mind you so let's see

that magic tunnel was redacted to the embarrassing files

 

[RDK]

If formatting or typos appear, fuck Tweet for not allowing edits. I will try my best to format this all into one and will breakdown my thoughts on leans.




@Raidokken - first off, apologies - been a bit wound up today and came across a bit strong in some of my posts towards yourself.

Re: your receipts around the buddying of Poyser and my scum lean on you:

Spoiler: Haza

This interaction around Magic just felt super disingenuous to me and felt like you were asking really obvious questions to try and look town to Poyser who was just starting to question you and Jeff throwing a vote on you (this felt like the real start of your wagon, not Barry's 'joke vote' which I will return to in Barry's section).

Although I'll happily admit that this post did ease my suspicion a tad:



But then you undid that with this post, trying to apply the "better player logic" to try and ease off Poysers confusion at the points you were making.



You then broke down your point IMO with this:



If it wasn't a joke vote, then Magic surely would have given a reason, no?



And that's the icing on the cake really.

Then came the interaction with Poyser around myself. I mean, I personally disagree with my posting being different - I haven't felt any different nor intentionally acting different. Maybe real life WIFOM stuff has impacted, not really worth discussing it tbh.

These are Poysers posts to me/about me






(+ a discussion around what I act like as scum with Magic that I've now closed the tab and cba finding again) then boom this:



You're a strong player Haza and I agree with your statement throughout the game that you don't tend to buddy people in the vein of ass kissing and seeking approval to get a town read, but partnered with my initial suspicion around your play trying to diffuse Poysers questioning around you and the quick jumping in with scared scum (which a scum lean was never really mentioned by Poyser, he's in fact stated that he was doing it to kick me in activity).

Now, town Haza that I know, if you had picked up at the quickest sniff of someone acting differently that gives you the lean of that person being scum, it's the same deal that I've also picked up from Barry towards you. Why not raise this yourself earlier on in the thread?

@Grim Cornette - I hope the above answers your question to myself about Haza, pls let me know if you have further.

Apologies to yourself as well for coming a bit strong and maybe not playing in the best mindset which obviously caused some friction.

Here's my thoughts on Barry.

Spoiler: Barry

As I attempt to put eloquently as possible earlier, my initial sus around Barry is his push (or lack there of) on Haza.




Here's the initial 'joke vote' that once no-sold by Haza, suddenly became a legit vote based off of his interaction with Jeff







What threw me with Barry is that 11 minutes later after this post ^ about his reasoning and why he thinks Haza is not playing with his usual town meta - he suddenly switches to talking about Banez? No further push on Haza, just let a thread like that go and moved onto Banez and then the interaction with myself about his lack of conviction on Haza.




Town Barry doesn't let go of something like that, especially with a player in Haza's tier. There was no conviction, it just felt like paper pushing (if that's the right term?) or a token case that he never intended to follow up on, just to appear like he was actively looking for info.

Now, Barry's responses after are a bit venomous, but not the normal level of aggression I'd expect to receive from Barry if the recent games I've played are anything to go by.





Does town Barry, with the level of conviction we know from him really just give up when he's being challenged over his alignment?Pretty sure we've seen a few "just lynch me then" posts from Barry through the ages.

Up until this point, I was closer to null with Barry - he did make some good points.

Then...



Why is Barry trying to take credit for the wagon? The first vote was a joke, he has been challenged over a complete lack of push on Haza and this was his "forcing Haza to claim" post:



Funny that Haza didn't even acknowledge Barry's post as it was posted literally 3 minutes before his claim.

If one of these was to flip scum, I would happily be looking into the other one after it based off of this interaction and Barry's attempting to look good off of the Haza wagon when A) He's not even flipped B) he's done fuck all on it.

@Poyser I am currently re-reading on Chris & Ace but my initial thoughts on him give me a similar vibe to the interaction I had with him last game about Barry funnily enough!

I had made a mistake that game over Barry saying Jeff was confirmed town when he said confirmed love. After the interaction with Barry had finished, Chris piped up in similar fashion to how he's debating with you and turns out he had misread my entire point. That's how I'm interpreting his interaction with you so far over the scum reads.

This is a lot.

Its hard for me to quote everything individually but anyway

Of course I'm trying to look town to Poyser. Towns job is to look town so they don't get lynched lol. Just like scums job is to look town and not get lynched.

If it looked ingenious to you thats fair enough though.

As for Magic my point was broken down because I was wrong about his intentions and he said as much. If im wrong I'm wrong lol. I thought his vote had a purpose. It didn't. I addressed that.

I dont think im a strong a player as you think i am btw. I'm widely considered as pretty terrible. I'm just extremely confident which may make me look a bit better than I actually am. Not that it really matters but yeah just a side note.

Ima go back and look at my game again as this post really reminds me of a post or sequence you made in there which may help me read you better

 

[Showtime]

Why?

Do you think the extent of his thirst for my blood seems similar to that of his theory last game that he pushed super hard as town? I will admit that is starting to tilt my read on him, I havent read what he just said yet mind you so let's see

no it's just obvious this isn't his scum play or within his scum range


i dont know why people struggle with the concept that some people just play better as town than they do as scum.