Cary Silkin doesn't think current ROH is being treated well

[Smart Marx]

Putting on my bias cap part of me thinks Roderick winning the world title and having undisputed kingdom run roh is going to be the catalyst in Kayfabe for when roh get those dedicated tapings

 

[Chris]

That’s wild that I didn’t even know that about the universal tapings actually having stories. Do you remember roughly the timeframe for that is because I kind of want to check out those episodes?

The first 2 months maybe of the Honor club show when it finally debuted after Tony bought them. Like the first episode had Eddie confronting Claudio and they built all of Supercard that year with that first set of tapings (and I mean actual build)

 

[Chris]

Yeah I meant Universal ROH had stories. Universal Dark was the same with a deader crowd

 

[Comrade Khan]

I miss dark and elevatiojn a lot though, especially during the pandemic it was a breath of fresh air on those monday and tuesdays. wwe was dogshit at the time too so we were dying for any good wrestling even if it was silly as fuck and meaningless

 

[Comrade Khan]

Yeah I meant Universal ROH had stories. Universal Dark was the same with a deader crowd

it made me so sad lol (the dead crowd)

idk why they dont just find a way to do this shit in Jacksonville

 

[Smart Marx]

Yeah, I figured dark didn’t. That’s the reason why ROH made more sense for universal and dark made more sense being taped before the TV shows. Which Chris was talking about as well. I doubt we will ever get dark back but at least we’ll get ROH back on a dedicated taping.

 

[Smart Marx]

I will say as someone that didn’t watch dark regularly. I did like tuning in every once in a while when I saw some fresh names listed and I was able to just check out their match.

 

[Chris]

I will say as someone that didn’t watch dark regularly. I did like tuning in every once in a while when I saw some fresh names listed and I was able to just check out their match.

I liked it for discovering the meme jobbers and Taz/Excalibur commentary mostly

 

[Comrade Khan]

I liked it for discovering the meme jobbers and Taz/Excalibur commentary mostly

the monday show was hit or miss (and tall paul is ass at comms. maybe worse than renee in wwe). but Tuesdays were just magic - it was the nerdiest most podcasty commentary and me n chris (and blaze too often) were just here chuckling at dumb memes, taz singing, and opera singer gimmicks. honestly just one of my favorite eras on this site lol

 

[Smart Marx]

They’re advertising the dedicated ROH TV tapings and they’re right after the PPV. It seems like DBD will be the official starting point of this next chapter in the new ROH era.

 

[Chris]

There's more than just those dates too, I saw ROH had been added to some Sundays last week

https://www.etix.com/ticket/v/34362/arlington-esports-stadium?utm_campaign=July_Resend_AEW_Collision_Arlington_TX_Campaign_MR&utm_source=EMAIL&lid=iikpxpwa9nn8&utm_content=CRM

Two sets on August 11th as well

 

[Smart Marx]

There's more than just those dates too, I saw ROH had been added to some Sundays last week

https://www.etix.com/ticket/v/34362/arlington-esports-stadium?utm_campaign=July_Resend_AEW_Collision_Arlington_TX_Campaign_MR&utm_source=EMAIL&lid=iikpxpwa9nn8&utm_content=CRM

Two sets on August 11th as well

Dope. Y’all better go to some of these tapings

 

[Chris]

I sent the link to a friend and told him to pick whatever dates worked for him and he hasn't got back to me

 

[Looking Glass]

I haven't read the entire thread so apologies if I'm just repeating everything that has been said.

I agree with what people have said about a AEW/ROH split. I feel like this is how it was initially billed when ROH was being brought back and then as others have said it essentially became AEW Dark. As someone mentioned, if it continued as AEW Dark and had no reference of ROH, it would still be a fun show but because it's got a legacy attached to it, there's a certain expectation that Khan's era should carry the lineage of the company. I also feel the 'development' label only really works when there's people being developed - at the moment there's a lot of independent talent who feature, who aren't developmental at all.

On a positive note: I do think for the first time in ROH's history, the production looks like its had money put into it - one of the things I really wish they had in the SBG era.

I think if ROH is going to get more focus or alignment with its own history they need to treat it better outside of ROH TV. Currently, they'll build someone up on ROH TV and then have them compete on Dynamite in a squash match, which feels nonsensical when they have used so many enhancement talents previously and would have a sizeable roster without the ROH stars.

Secondly, the belts only ever seem to change hands outside of the weekly shows, which gives little reason to invest in it. Every time there has been a new World Champion, there's a renewed sense of maybe this person being the one to fly the ROH flag but then they go missing from ROH TV and make appearances on Dynamite where the World title feels like a mid-card belt. Then to top it off, the titles are booked on Battle of the Belts, which I don't think has ever changed hands and very few people get excited for. I get that they have Proving Ground matches but these always feel predictable.

If ROH TV is going to be hidden behind a paywall, then give people a reason to pay. They have a PPV coming up but the announcements just feel so lukewarm when you compare them to AEW. I don't know if it's a case that all the ROH regulars who have ended up on AEW would rather have 3 minutes on Collision or Rampage or if it's just that Tony wants things done a certain way but I do hope things get better. Although, the fact that the re-focus has been based around the exclusive signing of Mace and Mansoor doesn't give me hope that the show will adopt the same culture it once had.