Bret Hart puts over current WWE Stars

[Kaedon]

Nope, I never even once questioned or hinted at their in ring wrestling skills. Both main factors I was considering were both mentioned in each of my posts. Booking and attitude/respect.

Then what would that have to do with Bret "getting in the ring" with them? He surely wouldn't need to get in the ring with them to surmise what you seem to know.

Weren't you doing the same exact thing? People form opinions and presumptions on what someone is thinking and will do ALL the time, I presume Bret Hart would change his opinion if caught deep in the situation which is a viable prediction based on previous wrestlers opinions who have worked with both, giving more than enough credibility for my argument.

No, I am going on what he HAS SAID. You're going on YOUR OPINIONS of someone AND what the wrestler has to say. There is a huge difference.

I don't have bad opinions on both of them as a whole. I have bad opinions on some factors which I certainly know could contribute to shifting Bret Hart's opinion if caught in the situation, which yes, I assume (based on some fact).

So what are your "opinions"of them. Because since it has nothing to do with their in ring skills, for you to criticize anything else is another blanket assumption since you have never met them (at least you have never indicated so), so once again, you don't know shit.

Didn't we already go over this? Bret Hart isn't God, I am sorry. He complimented them on certain aspects, so what? I highly doubt he would come out and say, "I would never work with these two they suck". Bad publicity and then again the money aspect could come into play. Of course I hardly even believe any of those possibilities, but they're there and that is what your questioning continues to ask, as if it isn't a possibility. Once again, if he would want to work with them so bad, why wouldn't he just come out and say it like he did Kurt Angle?

I never said "He want's to work with them so bad" what I said was he wouldn't put someone over unless he saw something he liked. Are you saying Bret Hart WOULDNT want to work with someone in which he saw something he liked?


I take what is said by people at face value. No less, no more. I don't usually "read into it" unless they have a proven track record of talking cryptically or in some other way that lends itself to interpretation. YOU, on the other hand, are taking what is said and saying "No, thats not what he really thinks because of MY opinion of 2 wrestlers" which is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard. If he didnt mean it, he wouldn't have said it because that's how he has maintained his interviews in the past. Any other "interpretation" is plain fucking bullshit.

 

[Great One]

Then what would that have to do with Bret "getting in the ring" with them? He surely wouldn't need to get in the ring with them to surmise what you seem to know.

Being booked against them? And I believe Batista is sloppy as hell in the ring nowadays.

No, I am going on what he HAS SAID. You're going on YOUR OPINIONS of someone AND what the wrestler has to say. There is a huge difference.

Yeah, and he has never said anything about wanting to get into the ring with them, only that they have charisma... so? I am going on what he has said too, but apparently you have secret tapped information of Bret Hart I don't have access to and must know more than me.

So what are your "opinions"of them. Because since it has nothing to do with their in ring skills, for you to criticize anything else is another blanket assumption since you have never met them (at least you have never indicated so), so once again, you don't know shit.

Don't think my opinions really matter on them in this sort of argument, but a bad booked and sloppy or bad sold match can shift just about anyones opinion. I take everything else for what it's worth, which isn't a lot in the professional wrestling world, yeah. I've met Cena, but I don't know him on a personal level, so that doesn't matter. Batista has his book which actually clarify a lot of reports and you can form a factual statement on him, so apparently most aren't blanket assumptions. And you know no more than me.

I never said "He want's to work with them so bad" what I said was he wouldn't put someone over unless he saw something he liked. Are you saying Bret Hart WOULDNT want to work with someone in which he saw something he liked?

And where did he say he will only put someone over if he saw something he liked? It's a fucking public book and for the 3rd time he put over certain aspects, NOT the aspect that I highlighted and questioned. That is what I am saying.

I take what is said by people at face value. No less, no more. I don't usually "read into it" unless they have a proven track record of talking cryptically or in some other way that lends itself to interpretation. YOU, on the other hand, are taking what is said and saying "No, thats not what he really thinks because of MY opinion of 2 wrestlers" which is the dumbest fucking thing I have ever heard. If he didnt mean it, he wouldn't have said it because that's how he has maintained his interviews in the past. Any other "interpretation" is plain fucking bullshit.

Uh... no, first off I am reading it more carefully than you are. I am taking into consideration EXACTLY what he is saying, YOU are assuming more and trying to think so and so reasoning MUST mean that he believes this. If you don't SEE him say it, why the fuck would you assume he would say or think it? THAT is the dumbest fucking shit I have seen. The way I am interpreting it, is how it's said and how I have repeated countless times.

 

[Kaedon]

Being booked against them? And I believe Batista is sloppy as hell in the ring nowadays.

First you don't have a problem with their in ring work, now you do. Which is it?

Yeah, and he has never said anything about wanting to get into the ring with them, only that they have charisma... so? I am going on what he has said too, but apparently you have secret tapped information of Bret Hart I don't have access to and must know more than me.

I never said he said that either, but what you cant get through your thick fucking skull is that Bret Hart doesn't project himself to be a person to put someone over for no reason. He has never said "I want to get into the ring with Rey Mysterio" but he calls him "one of the best ever". No, you're so right, Bret Hart wouldn't want to be in the ring with someone who has positive aspects that he likes, he'd rather be in the ring with Snitsky....

Don't think my opinions really matter on them in this sort of argument, but a bad booked and sloppy or bad sold match can shift just about anyones opinion.

You say that now, but you're CLEARLY splicing them into "Well Bret Hart would REALLY THINK THIS" because you seem to know something he doesn't.

And where did he say he will only put someone over if he saw something he liked? It's a fucking public book and for the 3rd time he put over certain aspects, NOT the aspect that I highlighted and questioned. That is what I am saying.

You are so right, Bret obviously puts people over because he loves Vince McMahon. He's just doing Vince a favor, my mistake....

 

[Great One]

First you don't have a problem with their in ring work, now you do. Which is it?

I never said I didn't, you just assumed I did without me saying anything. But, I didn't really have a big problem, however is there a reason I should go into my thoughts on my ratings of them without going completely off topic?

I never said he said that either, but what you cant get through your thick fucking skull is that Bret Hart doesn't project himself to be a person to put someone over for no reason. He has never said "I want to get into the ring with Rey Mysterio" but he calls him "one of the best ever". No, you're so right, Bret Hart wouldn't want to be in the ring with someone who has positive aspects that he likes, he'd rather be in the ring with Snitsky....

Haha, my argument was never once about Rey Mysterio thank you for proving your entire argument void by not comprehending what I said correctly. And just on a note, if that was the case with the other two, my argument would probably hold WAY less meaning, but he never calls them the best ever? Does he? Nor does he say he likes them.

You say that now, but you're CLEARLY splicing them into "Well Bret Hart would REALLY THINK THIS" because you seem to know something he doesn't.

I'm sure he knows too, hence the reason he doesn't go into detail and just leaves it at "they have a lot of charisma".

You are so right, Bret obviously puts people over because he loves Vince McMahon. He's just doing Vince a favor, my mistake....

He actually has said he likes Vince McMahon now I believe and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. But like I said he wouldn't just come out and completely insult the 3 top faces in the biggest company, and if he wanted to say something like he would want to wrestle them (Cena/Batista), he would have.

 

[Kaedon]

I never said I didn't, you just assumed I did without me saying anything. But, I didn't really have a big problem, however is there a reason I should go into my thoughts on my ratings of them without going completely off topic?

Because you already did bring it up and off topic. You said "The factors are attitude and respect" and then all of a sudden ring work is a factor....

Haha, my argument was never once about Rey Mysterio thank you for proving your entire argument void by not comprehending what I said correctly. And just on a note, if that was the case with the other two, my argument would probably hold WAY less meaning, but he never calls them the best ever? Does he? Nor does he say he likes them.

Faulty logic. I said "why wouldnt he want to work with someone he thinks is shit" I gave you a concrete example. But since Rey has a better workrate, its a different story? That just proves how BIAS you are in your assumptions that Bret Hart would think differently.

I'm sure he knows too, hence the reason he doesn't go into detail and just leaves it "they have a lot of charisma".

I also assume Bret Hart is a Satan worshiper, even though I have no clear evidence. See, I can do it too...

He actually has said he likes Vince McMahon now I believe and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't. But like I said he wouldn't just come out and completely insult the 3 top faces in the biggest company.

Yes, you are totally right. He is lying just to benifit Cena, Batista, and Mysterio. I'm so glad you KNOW THIS for a fact.....



Once again, this is the fact that you cant seem to grasp (and if that nulls an argument, you did that from about the FIRST TIME you replied in this thread therefore I guess everything you have said is void right?) I am going on what he SAYS, YOU are going on what "I think he would say" despite not one shred of actual proof as you have never met Bret Hart ever in your life have you?

 

[Great One]

Because you already did bring it up and off topic. You said "The factors are attitude and respect" and then all of a sudden ring work is a factor....

Well booking and attitude, and respect falls in between there. I kinda just threw the sloppy in ring work thing in because you wanted to know my opinion on them, but it's truly irrelevant since Batista's attitude and the maybe sometimes ridiculous booking against John Cena would overshadow them, imo.

Faulty logic. I said "why wouldnt he want to work with someone he thinks is shit" I gave you a concrete example. But since Rey has a better workrate, its a different story? That just proves how BIAS you are in your assumptions that Bret Hart would think differently.

I'm going by what he is saying here, lol.

I also assume Bret Hart is a Satan worshiper, even though I have no clear evidence. See, I can do it too...

Terrible example. This is him we are talking about, remember?

Yes, you are totally right. He is lying just to benifit Cena, Batista, and Mysterio. I'm so glad you KNOW THIS for a fact.....

No, you aren't taking my previous points into consideration still and it's getting pointless and repetitive constantly bringing them up. Basically, I'll just leave it at this again, why would he say he wants to work with Kurt Angle but not those two? And maybe he doesn't compliment Kurt's charisma for a reason? You keep thinking I'm trying to insult Bret Hart's intelligence here which isn't the case.

Once again, this is the fact that you cant seem to grasp (and if that nulls an argument, you did that from about the FIRST TIME you replied in this thread therefore I guess everything you have said is void right?) I am going on what he SAYS, YOU are going on what "I think he would say" despite not one shred of actual proof as you have never met Bret Hart ever in your life have you?

No, it's the other way around now. I was assuming something he never said and you tried to argue me with complete different points that he had said which I had obviously taken into consideration or I wouldn't of even attempted to make an ironic and opposing view. There really is no way to oppose my argument because he hasn't said shit to prove me otherwise... yet.

 

[Kaedon]

Well booking and attitude, and respect falls in between there. I kinda just threw the sloppy in ring work thing in because you wanted to know my opinion on them, but it's truly irrelevant since Batista's attitude and the maybe sometimes ridiculous booking against John Cena would overshadow them, imo.

Way to bullshit your way around that one. And, btw, what do you know about Batista's attitude? Have you ever met him?

Terrible example. This is his words we are talking about, remember?

Did "his words" include "I would think different if I was in the ring them"? No? Didn't think so...So WHY is that a bad example?

No, you aren't taking my previous posts into consideration still and it's getting repetitive constantly bringing them up. Basically, I'll just leave it at this again, why would he say he wants to work with Kurt Angle but not those two? And maybe he doesn't compliment Kurt's charisma for a reason? You keep thinking I'm trying to insult Bret Hart's intelligence here which isn't the case.

Your statement said "He wouldn't trash the top faces in the company" thus implying that you are lying. And yes, I am pulling the "implying" card on you because you can't seem to keep your words straight.

No, it's the other way around now. I was assuming something he never said and you tried to argue me with complete different points that he had said which I had obviously taken into consideration or I wouldn't of even attempted to make an ironic and opposing view. There really is no way to oppose my argument because he hasn't said shit to prove me otherwise... yet.

Not in your close minded view because you can't grasp the fact that you arent inside his head. You are applying what you THINK you know about the attitude/respect of Cena and Batista (and I say THINK because you have never met them, way to gloss over that btw, maybe I should just start ignoring whole parts of your arguments too) and saying "Well if Bret knew what I knew, he'd think different" despite you, once again, not having one SHRED of actual evidence. How do you KNOW Bret Hart would think differently if booked with them? You dont and you have ZERO insight into the mind of Bret Hart and into the "respect/attitude" of Batist and Cena. You know what Bret Hart tells you and what Cena/Batista SHOW you, and nothing more.

 

[Great One]

Way to bullshit your way around that one. And, btw, what do you know about Batista's attitude? Have you ever met him?

Bullshit my way around it? Why would it even matter what I don't like, it's obvious I don't like something about them or concerning them in some way or I wouldn't have fucking bothered with the sarcastic post. And what are we talking about now? A BOOK, not to mention various reports, which I referred to all:

Batista has his book which actually clarify a lot of reports and you can form a factual statement on him, so apparently most aren't blanket assumptions

Did "his words" include "I would think different if I was in the ring them"? No? Didn't think so...So WHY is that a bad example?

No, but I already provided information on as to why I think he would. It revolves around an even more constructive and complex business, where the hell is there anything about relating him to being satanic.

Your statement said "He wouldn't trash the top faces in the company" thus implying that you are lying. And yes, I am pulling the "implying" card on you because you can't seem to keep your words straight.

I am providing you various points, you seem to single out one and just forget the rest which is funny as hell.

Not in your close minded view because you can't grasp the fact that you arent inside his head. You are applying what you THINK you know about the attitude/respect of Cena and Batista (and I say THINK because you have never met them, way to gloss over that btw, maybe I should just start ignoring whole parts of your arguments too) and saying "Well if Bret knew what I knew, he'd think different" despite you, once again, not having one SHRED of actual evidence.

ME CLOSE MINDED? Lol. I know I am not inside his head, where are you getting this generalization from? From the fact that I made an assumption on something he excluded and/or I'm sure he probably believes true and if he doesn't then I do, that's the way it is and my opinion goes. And what? I never ignored ANYTHING you have said, that's bullshit, I already told you I don't know Cena at all and can provide a someone decent knowledge of Batista from his book and his experiences which I even made a fucking reference to above, read. YOU have just completely glossed over my argument and tried to say that I once questioned Cena's attitude because I haven't, so I should ignore your points now? Once again, I NEVER questioned Bret not knowing something, if anything I was trying to talk for him and was just making a half assed comment to begin with of something he would probably intentionally not include (once again take into consideration the Kurt Angle point).

 

[Kaedon]

Bullshit my way around it? Why would it even matter what I don't like, it's obvious I don't like something about them or concerning them in some way or I wouldn't have fucking bothered with the sarcastic post. And what are we talking about now? A BOOK, not to mention various reports, which I referred to all:

And since you have read Batista's book cover to cover, the closest most of us can get into getting in his head, what did he say in his book and made you think he had a bad attitude. And yeah, Internet Reports, those are SO TRUSTWORTHY, god knows they are NEVER wrong....

No, but I already provided information on as to why I think he would. It revolves around an even more constructive and complex business, where the hell is there anything about relating him to being satanic.

No. Exactly, NO. He never said that, yet you ASSUME, since you and he are so close, that his mind would change. Tell me, what does Bret Hart think about Gene Snitsky....

I am providing you various posts, you seem to single out one and just forget the rest which is funny as hell.

So its ok when you do it, but not when I do it....

ME CLOSE MINDED? Lol. I know I am not inside his head, where are you getting this generalization from? From the fact that I made an assumption on something he excluded? And what? I never ignored ANYTHING you have said, that's bullshit, I already told you I don't know Cena at all and can provide a someone decent knowledge of Batista from his book and his experiences which I even made a fucking reference to above, read. YOU have just completely glossed over my argument and tried to say that I once questioned Cena's attitude because I haven't, so I should ignore your points now? Once again, I NEVER questioned Bret not knowing something, if anything I was trying to talk for him and was just making a half assed comment to begin with of something he would probably intentionally not include (once again take into consideration the Kurt Angle point).

You said

Nope, I never even once questioned or hinted at their in ring wrestling skills. Both main factors I was considering were both mentioned in each of my posts. Booking and attitude/respect.

And now all of a sudden, "no im not questioning Cena's attitude at all" when you so clearly did there...

And why do I think you think youre in his head, because you make Blue statements like "Oh he'd change his mind if". I don't know how to make it any clearer for you.

 

[Great One]

And since you have read Batista's book cover to cover, the closest most of us can get into getting in his head, what did he say in his book and made you think he had a bad attitude. And yeah, Internet Reports, those are SO TRUSTWORTHY, god knows they are NEVER wrong....

Once again overlooking the fact where I said the internet reports clarified the facts and experiences in the book. The only reason to even bring that up it to make a sarcastic remark at me, maybe I should start doing the same.

I will honestly match up news information with book quotes if you REALLY want me to tommorow, but really, just read his book if you haven't it's really not that bad.

No. Exactly, NO. He never said that, yet you ASSUME, since you and he are so close, that his mind would change. Tell me, what does Bret Hart think about Gene Snitsky....

He said he would want to wrestle Angle, he did not Cena and Batista and said they had charisma and emotion which seems like a way to avoid such an answer to me, this is strictly speaking to him of course, I could list other references and facts to support my claim but that's against the rules I guess.

And now all of a sudden, "no im not questioning Cena's attitude at all" when you so clearly did there...

Booking - Cena; Attitude - Batista.

Both those factors would derive from him getting into the ring with both (usually).

I have never not acknowledged any of your points.

And why do I think you think youre in his head, because you make Blue statements like "Oh he'd change his mind if". I don't know how to make it any clearer for you.

There's two ways to look at it. Either he considered getting into the ring with them or he didn't. You are ASSUMING he did and you are ASSUMING from my post that I probably assumed he didn't, which can be argued either way, but when it comes down to it it doesn't matter since it's not in the book, so I stay by my post.

 

[Kaedon]

Once again overlooking the fact where I said the internet reports clarified the facts and experiences in the book. The only reason to even bring that up it to make a sarcastic remark at me, maybe I should start doing the same.

I didnt ignore it, I just stated fact, "internet reports" are usually bullshit. Check their "spoilers" and "predictions" that are wrong half the time.

I will honestly match up news information with book quotes if you REALLY want me to tommorow, but really, just read his book if you haven't it's really not that bad.

Please do

He said he would want to wrestle Angle, he did not Cena and Batista and said they had charisma and emotion which seems like a way to avoid such an answer to me, this is strictly speaking to him of course, I could list other references and facts to support my claim but that's against the rules I guess.

And I said he would really list off positive attributes of guys if he was so deadset against wrestling them right. I guess Bret Hart disdains Batista because of his attitude and Cena because of the way he...BOOKS HIMSELF!!! Yeah, that makes so much sense....

I have never not acknowledged any of your points.

What about the fact that youre not in Brets head which you keep convinently skipping...

There's two ways to look at it. Either he considered getting into the ring with them or he didn't. You are ASSUMING he did and you are ASSUMING from my post that I probably assumed he didn't, which can be argued either way, but when it comes down to it it doesn't matter since it's not in the book, so I stay by my post.

Ahh yes and since it's not in brets book, it means he hasnt considered it.... Make's perfect sense...

 

[Great One]

And I said he would really list off positive attributes of guys if he was so deadset against wrestling them right. I guess Bret Hart disdains Batista because of his attitude and Cena because of the way he...BOOKS HIMSELF!!! Yeah, that makes so much sense....

I never denounced any of those attributes, like I said, I brought up a different attribute which he DIDN'T address. And no, frustration would be caused by the WWE booking him and then possible misconception and misunderstandments in the matter causing bad terms between the two. It has happened before.

Ahh yes and since it's not in brets book, it means he hasnt considered it.... Make's perfect sense...

The FACT is... yes the FACT is, what I'm addressing, is the book.

 

[Kaedon]

I never denounced any of those attributes, like I said, I brought up a different attribute which he DIDN'T address. And no, frustration would be caused by the WWE booking him and then possible misconception and misunderstandments in the matter causing bad terms between the two. It has happened before.

You know this for a fact? Now not only can you read Bret Harts mind, YOU CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE!!!

The FACT is... yes the FACT is, what I'm addressing, is the book.

Hows this for a fact, THE BOOK ISNT THE END ALL!!! But wait, since you think Bret is lying now, who's to say he wasn't lying in his book? He really HATES Kurt Angle and didnt think that the match he and Brock had at WM 19 was one of the best he's seen. Nope, it's all a lie.....

And way to disreguard half the post despite just saying IN THE LAST ONE that you dont do it...

 

[Great One]

You know this for a fact? Now not only can you read Bret Harts mind, YOU CAN SEE INTO THE FUTURE!!!

Lol, I just think that would be the most common way for someone to be frustrated over booking, more like the only way, the way I see it in my head, and like I said it's happened before.

Hows this for a fact, THE BOOK ISNT THE END ALL!!! But wait, since you think Bret is lying now, who's to say he wasn't lying in his book? He really HATES Kurt Angle and didnt think that the match he and Brock had at WM 19 was one of the best he's seen. Nope, it's all a lie.....

Hell, he could have been, what do you think I have been sitting here trying to tell you the whole time? YOU are the one who thinks the book is some sort of a bible. We will never know, so why are we sitting here acting like we do all the time? Because it's fun and entertaining.

And way to disreguard half the post despite just saying IN THE LAST ONE that you dont do it...

Rofl, what did I possibly disregard? The fucking thing was over and understood. I will post you solid factual reasons as to why Batista is a prick since you can't look it up yourself and I clearly addressed your "Bret Hart's mind" point already in the last paragraph where I compare assumptions to non-assumptions. Happy? It was all there, should have been understood.

 

[Kaedon]

Hell, he could have been, what do you think I have been sitting here trying to tell you the whole time? YOU are the one who thinks the book is some sort of a bible. We will never know, so why are we sitting here acting like we do all the time? Because it's fun and entertaining.

No, I am not saying his book is "a bible". I didnt even talk about it until YOU brought it up.

Rofl, what did I possibly disregard? The fucking thing was over and understood. I will post you solid factual reasons as to why Batista is a prick since you can't look it up yourself and I clearly addressed your "Bret Hart's mind" point already in the last paragraph where I compare assumptions to non-assumptions. Happy? It was all there, should have been understood.

No, you didnt really explain anything. It all boils down to this


YOU are not inside the mind of Bret The Hitman Hart, therefore you have no logical or factual basis to speak on what you think he thinks. I am saying, and have always said, you can only take what someone says as what it is, nothing more, nothing less. You are the one who is reading into it. "Oh well he would really think this if this happened" but since you don't know Bret, you can't say that, and therefore you dont know shit. End of discussion.