Batista frustrated, will he retire?

[Tsaalyo Phoenix]

I can sort of see where he's coming from. He beat Cena, but what has he done since? He's pretty much dropped from radar, save for giving Beth a spidebuster.

That said, suck it up, 'Roidy. It's time for the younger guys to get a chance to shine.

 

[Airfixx]

I find it surprising, when some reports are filed on the 'net, you guys call bullshit, but when it comes to someone else, someone whom the majority of the 'net dislikes, you believe it. Make up your minds, damn.

Most of the posts here would easily nullify your above comments if you were to add "If this were to be true" to the begining - Nobody seems to be taking it as FACT.

The responses in this thread are way different to the way people buy into a rumour about wrestler X and then use that as a catalyst for their dissing them on both career and personal levels from there on in (i.e rumours of backstage politics etc. that we may never know if they're true)... None of the comments are born of the assumption that the rumour is true.


(The above refers, at least, to those that would otherwise claim not to buy into the wrestling rumour mill...)

I can sort of see where he's coming from. He beat Cena, but what has he done since? He's pretty much dropped from radar, save for giving Beth a spidebuster.

It's seemed to me even before the win Vs Cena that they had big things planned for him... To me the way the RAW scramble panned out seemed right - Winning that without TOTAL domination would have seemed comparatively lame for a character like his... I'm half expecting him to ME WM25 V Orton, although admittedly I'm inclined to be a little more patient waiting for his next title reign than Big Dave is likely to be. LOL

That said, suck it up, 'Roidy. It's time for the younger guys to get a chance to shine.

...Like the recently squashed Mr. Burchill. : (

 

[MikeRaw]

Batista's mind : " I TAKE THE MOST ROIDS, THEREFORE I SHOULD BE CHAMP!!!! Little kids love me, i get the most cheers, sure it wasn't til after Goldberg and Brock left, they pushed me to the moon. Its doesnt matter, I should be champ!!!!

He never should have got that push. I'll say it once, and ill say it again, Batista was in the RIGHT place, at the RIGHT time.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. Yes, I agree he was "given" his main event status on a silver platter, but you are very wrong about how he got it.
He wasn't given it because Brock and Goldberg left in 2004. In fact, his push started BEFORE they were even in the company (Goldberg wasn't there in 2002, and Brock was still new).
The whole purpose of Evolution, from the begginning was to have Batista and Orton become huge stars. That was the goal from the beginning, which was 2002, which means they had the idea of Batista's push before Brock and goldberg elft.
So not so much "right place, right time", although he was planned to main event, but in some way ro another, so is everyone.

Also, it's not like he was given it for no reason. If the crowd didn't react to him, it wouldn't have lasted, but it did, and he's still popular, so there's no reason for him not to be pushed.

 

[Airfixx]

Brock was ALREADY undisputed champ when Batista debuted...

Can't remember whether it was WM20 or 21 but the initial plan was to have HHH V Brock.

Yes, Evolution was largely an exercise in getting guys over, but if Brock & Goldberg hadn't left when they did I don't think you'd have seen Evolution disintegrate so quickly; certainly not Batista being pushed so soon after Orton (Another thread admittedly, but what about the detrimental effect this may have had on Orton's push?)... And with Brock in particular still around it's doubtful that Batista could of got over so strongly bearing in mind he more than matched him in physique and was a damn sight better in the rign that 'The Animal'.

Due to the ages of Big Dave & Orton it seems logical that Orton would be the true breakout star and I wouldn't be suprised if the intention was to have Batitsa as a dominant midcarder...

 

[MikeRaw]

Batista's "Big" push didn't come til a year after both of those guys left. If his push was really because of them leaving, it would've happened much sooner.
Also, Batista could have easily still got over with Brock there, because he would have been a face once turning on HHH, while Brock would have been a heel.
And about the Orton thing, he was too immature backstage time and time again to get pushed then.
But it's simple, Batista wasn't pushed because of those two gusy (Brock, Lesnar), because his push was planned for a long time before that, and wwe waited a year after they left to even push Batista. Just cause they have the same shape doesn't mean they have to replace eachother all the time.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I agree with Mikeraw. You are making it seem like if WWE went into panic when Goldberg and Lesnar left and they looked at Batista and went..."uhmm, look at him, he has the same body, if not more well build up...LET'S MAKE HIM CHAMPION".

There was a reason why he was in Evolution and that is because he was intended to be pushed. Yeah, maybe his push might not have comed in 2005, but 2006 the later. Let's not forget he was on HHH's good side :shifty:


As for the actual report, I also agree with WCW Rules, most of you, including myself, call bullshit on almost all reports. Why would this be any different? I have no problem with the posts in which people talk about a possible scenario of a WWE without Batista, but to start bashing Batista for a rumor is plain stupid

 

[CenaMark54]

Lets not kid ourselves, the whole point of Evolution was to make Randy Orton a star. Batista was basically an afterthought for two years until the WWE messed up Orton's face turn and championship run. They were then forced to go with Batista because there was nothing else and they needed a match for Triple H at WM. It just happened to work out pretty well.

If Orton's big post evolution push went as planned, Batista would not be a three or four time world champ today.

Like Montana said, right place, right time. Batista was lucky. He was never intended to get the push he got.

 

[MikeRaw]

^Again, that's not true. Hwo do you know which one wwe was plannng on making a huge star? Do you think two guys with ego's as big as HHH and Vince, hell, even Flair,w ould waste time on Batista if they didn't want him to be a big star?
They clearly wanted to make both huge stars, and have one move to SD (which happened with Batista). As iit turns out, only 1 got to be huge at that time, because Orton fucked up, but he didn't steal Orton's push, or get pushed because of that. They were obviously planning to push both.

 

[CenaMark54]

^Again, that's not true. Hwo do you know which one wwe was plannng on making a huge star? Do you think two guys with ego's as big as HHH and Vince, hell, even Flair,w ould waste time on Batista if they didn't want him to be a big star?
They clearly wanted to make both huge stars, and have one move to SD (which happened with Batista). As iit turns out, only 1 got to be huge at that time, because Orton fucked up, but he didn't steal Orton's push, or get pushed because of that. They were obviously planning to push both.

It is true. Orton was in the star making spot. He was the IC champ, he was given the legend killer gimmick, he was the first one to break away. Batista was the bodyguard and an afterthought at best.

Batista was never intended to be the star Orton was supposed to be.

The WWE fucked up Orton's face turn, so they said; "hey we have a second chance, lets do it right this time."

 

[Wrestling Station]

I find it surprising, when some reports are filed on the 'net, you guys call bullshit, but when it comes to someone else, someone whom the majority of the 'net dislikes, you believe it. Make up your minds, damn. I don't give a shit if there's truth in this report or not, Big Dave > Internet Reporters. If he retires, sucks for me, since he's one of the only reasons I'm watching RAW, and the WWE as a whole.

You know what? you are in my good books right there : Batista is RAW.

I agree with Mikeraw. You are making it seem like if WWE went into panic when Goldberg and Lesnar left and they looked at Batista and went..."uhmm, look at him, he has the same body, if not more well build up...LET'S MAKE HIM CHAMPION".

There was a reason why he was in Evolution and that is because he was intended to be pushed. Yeah, maybe his push might not have comed in 2005, but 2006 the later. Let's not forget he was on HHH's good side :shifty:


As for the actual report, I also agree with WCW Rules, most of you, including myself, call bullshit on almost all reports. Why would this be any different? I have no problem with the posts in which people talk about a possible scenario of a WWE without Batista, but to start bashing Batista for a rumor is plain stupid

People bashing Batista while they should actually bash someone like Jeff Hardy as an example. A druggy that should actually been forced to get released rather than getting cheered and main event PPVs.

Batista whether you like him or hate him, he is entertaining and had what WWE need (no need for super skills in wrestling nor mic skills). Moderate + entertaining and hype and dont forget the size and merchandise.

I disagree with all posts except those two.

 

[kingovkings]

I agree firstly this is COULD very well be bullshit and secondly, Tista is wicked i like big Dave and so do 90% of ppl in the arenas judging by the sound of the pop he gets. I think Tista get a lot of unfair shit thrown his way.He may not be the bet in the ring or on the mic but he is extremely popular and get a lot of fan reaction. So i will reserve judgment until its been proved the rumour is in fact true.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I agree with MikeRaw, in fact, I can actually picture saying HHH talking to Vince and telling him to indeed, let's make Randy Orton the big, mega superstar on Raw, and make Batista a moderate main eventer on SD, to then have a Clash of Evolution at Wrestlemania.

Orton fucked on his pushed, and Batista ended as the mega star. I still believe that Batista was intended to be a main eventer, maybe not on the level he is today, in which he is protected by every means when he loses(if he loses), but on a main event level still.

 

[LAURINAITIS33]

I think the scenario was Orton to be the face on RAW and Batista on Smackdown. Batista took his and ran but what I think happened to Orton is that Cena switched to RAW and exploded popularity wise leaving Orton to turn back as a heel and behind HHH and Edge in that role on RAW.

They must have saw something in Batista to put him in Evolution to start off. I mean they could have easily went with Tomko, Cena,Benjamin, Haas or even Lesanr in Evolution instead since they all debuted around the same time.

I like Batista but I think the WWE now knows that their future lays in the hands of Orton and Cena, love them or hate them.

 

[C4]

SOOOOO Ultimate Warrior like.

 

[CenaMark54]

I think the scenario was Orton to be the face on RAW and Batista on Smackdown. Batista took his and ran but what I think happened to Orton is that Cena switched to RAW and exploded popularity wise leaving Orton to turn back as a heel and behind HHH and Edge in that role on RAW.

They must have saw something in Batista to put him in Evolution to start off. I mean they could have easily went with Tomko, Cena,Benjamin, Haas or even Lesanr in Evolution instead since they all debuted around the same time.

I like Batista but I think the WWE now knows that their future lays in the hands of Orton and Cena, love them or hate them.

There are a few things wrong with this;

1. Orton was supposed to be the face of Raw and Cena was supposed to be the face of SD.

2. Orton's run failed because they turned him fullblown babyface when he got over as a cocky heel. They should have kept him the way he was. Losing your first PPV as champ doesn't help either.

3. Orton had already turned heel before Cena came to Raw. In fact, they weren't even on the same show together until 2006.

4. Why would they put Lesnar in Evolution? He was already the biggest star in the company at the time.