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Nah, that doesn't make any sense to me at all, particularly considering Vince McMahon's comments about how he "used up" Roman's father in meaningless, bottom of the card matches. If they really wanted to break him down, they'd force him to start at the bottom again and constantly screw him even there until he reaches his breaking point and quits. Giving him a free pass into a match for a chance to main event 'Mania for the title they just screwed him out of is the complete opposite.
Triple H isn't Vince, though. Triple H doesn't want to "Stone Cold" him, he wants to bury him on the largest stage of them all.

Once he does that, he believes he'll never have to worry about him again. Triple H may be vindictive, but he still believes in putting on a show at WrestleMania.

It's what's best for business.
 

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Triple H isn't Vince, though. Triple H doesn't want to "Stone Cold" him, he wants to bury him on the largest stage of them all.

Once he does that, he believes he'll never have to worry about him again. Triple H may be vindictive, but he still believes in putting on a show at WrestleMania.

It's what's best for business.
We can argue about this until the cows come home and you'll never convince me of that. To the authority, Reigns is a disrespectful jerk that doesn't fit the mold of a champion, so what's "best for business" going by their previous record is to do everything in their power to keep him as far away from the title as possible. Also, they've got issues with Ambrose (unstable, doesn't suit their ideal either) and Lesnar (impossible to control) so why should they want either of them to challenge and potentially beat Triple H? There is literally NO logic to their booking of this match based on anything they've done before and therein lies the main problem with WWE. They just book shit expecting people to forget about previous history and while that may work for people with a short memory, it sure as hell doesn't fly with me.

The match itself is going to be fine and there's a lot of intrigue to it as well, but the way they got there is inane. It also doesn't help that there was no explanation as to why anyone was put in the match in the first place. For fuck's sake, why didn't they just say that the main event of Raw was a qualifier? :lol:
 

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We can argue about this until the cows come home and you'll never convince me of that. To the authority, Reigns is a disrespectful jerk that doesn't fit the mold of a champion, so what's "best for business" going by their previous record is to do everything in their power to keep him as far away from the title as possible. Also, they've got issues with Ambrose (unstable, doesn't suit their ideal either) and Lesnar (impossible to control) so why should they want either of them to challenge and potentially beat Triple H? There is literally NO logic to their booking of this match based on anything they've done before and therein lies the main problem with WWE. They just book shit expecting people to forget about previous history and while that may work for people with a short memory, it sure as hell doesn't fly with me.

The match itself is going to be fine and there's a lot of intrigue to it as well, but the way they got there is inane. It also doesn't help that there was no explanation as to why anyone was put in the match in the first place. For fuck's sake, why didn't they just say that the main event of Raw was a qualifier? :lol:

I wouldn't say argue, more like a friendly debate. And I wouldn't try to convince you, merely explain why I find it makes sense, to me anyway.

After all, a few of us saw this coming a mile away and I've been seeing it play out since November, at the very least, that the next game plan after taking the title was the bond between Ambrose and Rollins. I think you might be forgetting that one of the biggest obstacles facing the Authority isn't either of them on their own.

Anytime they almost have one of them at a disadvantage, the other saves the day. These two are always going to roll deep and it'll continue to be a huge strain trying fight them both off and keep them down separately and collectively.

And if their previous record is any indication, they'll spend the next two years dealing with both Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose, only to fail stopping either of them from getting back to the top. So, they can continue to go around and around with them like they have been for about a year now, screwing him out of the championship with Sheamus, stacking the Royal Rumble against him, stoking the flames of his enemies to keep him from Money in the Bank or he can go back to the well with the one thing he knows has worked. When the Authority needed to shut down the Shield, simply stacking the deck and odds weren't working, so Triple H tore them apart from the inside out by removing Seth Rollins from the equation.

Now he needs to do the same with Dean Ambrose, and Roman Reigns will be ripe for the picking. That's just the way I see it playing out. I definitely don't think they want Ambrose to win anymore than they do Reigns, it's just a calculated risk.
Unless they succeed in getting him to "sell in."

I would say they were trying to go outside of the box, which is why they hadn't done this before, but they have a few times. Even Vinnie Mac eventually sided with Austin for it was easier than battling with him for eternity. If they hadn't gone this way, what would you expect Triple H to do, run and hide and duck competition? When Triple H lost to the Undertaker at WrestleMania, he dusted himself off and challenged him to a rematch the next year and I think that's the philosophy here; defeat, humiliate and destroy Reigns on the grandest stage of them all.

I couldn't tell you why Brock Lesnar was added except the Authority do have a track record of occasionally letting the Beast loose and let the consequences be damned. Suplex City, bitches.

I don't disagree there. They probably should have made that a qualifier. Maybe, Triple H will get mad because Stephanie impulsively made the match after the tag team match concluded. I am just going to see how this unfolds. I have a feeling it's going to be a good ride.
 

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I agree with Brandon. Have a good one.
 

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While I certainly commend your creativity on coming up with that explanation, the fact remains that I firmly believe that they aren't trying to tell that story. Rather, they just shoved the guys into the match like they always do and just expect the viewer to accept it as part of something bigger. When there's no actual payoff (as there usually isn't) I won't be shocked. If there is, I'll give them credit for creating compelling, long-term storytelling that helps to get their wrestlers more over. Honestly ask yourself which of these two scenarios is more likely given their recent history? I'm not just talking about the obvious Reigns win at 'Mania either, since that won't result in him getting any more over than he already is.

Their inability to understand even the simplest logic and/or reaction is the main reason I find myself fast forwarding through 90% of the main product these days. Ambrose gets a bigger pop than Reigns on any given night (and easily at the Rumble) so they'll use him to eat the pin and keep Reigns strong. Hell, I won't be shocked at all if they just up and turn Ambrose heel during the match, which would at least result in one of the most hilarious fan reactions of all-time. Actually, now I'm kind of hoping they do just royally fuck themselves over like that, I do love a good car crash every now and then. :lol:

I agree with Brandon. Have a good one.

Without stating why you've basically wasted yours and everyone else's time. Have a good one.




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I think some of these theories are giving WWE creative waaaay too much credit :lol:

The one year an Elimination Chamber match would have solved everything easily, and they canned it last year. Damnit.
 
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I wouldn't say argue, more like a friendly debate. And I wouldn't try to convince you, merely explain why I find it makes sense, to me anyway.

After all, a few of us saw this coming a mile away and I've been seeing it play out since November, at the very least, that the next game plan after taking the title was the bond between Ambrose and Rollins. I think you might be forgetting that one of the biggest obstacles facing the Authority isn't either of them on their own.

Anytime they almost have one of them at a disadvantage, the other saves the day. These two are always going to roll deep and it'll continue to be a huge strain trying fight them both off and keep them down separately and collectively.

And if their previous record is any indication, they'll spend the next two years dealing with both Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose, only to fail stopping either of them from getting back to the top. So, they can continue to go around and around with them like they have been for about a year now, screwing him out of the championship with Sheamus, stacking the Royal Rumble against him, stoking the flames of his enemies to keep him from Money in the Bank or he can go back to the well with the one thing he knows has worked. When the Authority needed to shut down the Shield, simply stacking the deck and odds weren't working, so Triple H tore them apart from the inside out by removing Seth Rollins from the equation.

Now he needs to do the same with Dean Ambrose, and Roman Reigns will be ripe for the picking. That's just the way I see it playing out. I definitely don't think they want Ambrose to win anymore than they do Reigns, it's just a calculated risk.
Unless they succeed in getting him to "sell in."

I would say they were trying to go outside of the box, which is why they hadn't done this before, but they have a few times. Even Vinnie Mac eventually sided with Austin for it was easier than battling with him for eternity. If they hadn't gone this way, what would you expect Triple H to do, run and hide and duck competition? When Triple H lost to the Undertaker at WrestleMania, he dusted himself off and challenged him to a rematch the next year and I think that's the philosophy here; defeat, humiliate and destroy Reigns on the grandest stage of them all.

I couldn't tell you why Brock Lesnar was added except the Authority do have a track record of occasionally letting the Beast loose and let the consequences be damned. Suplex City, bitches.

I don't disagree there. They probably should have made that a qualifier. Maybe, Triple H will get mad because Stephanie impulsively made the match after the tag team match concluded. I am just going to see how this unfolds. I have a feeling it's going to be a good ride.
Honestly Brandon I will be happy either way, whether Roman or Dean has the title. Most likely Roman will walk away champion at the end of this. But if Dean Ambrose "Sells Out" and joins The Authority I don't think I will ever be able to forgive him.
 

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But if Dean Ambrose "Sells Out" and joins The Authority I don't think I will ever be able to forgive him.
Not to mention it would be one of the stupidest things they've done from a booking perspective. They should turn Reigns heel, have him cut his hair, put on a suit and kill Daniel Bryan in Seattle for good measure.
 
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Not to mention it would be one of the stupidest things they've done from a booking perspective. They should turn Reigns heel, have him cut his hair, put on a suit and kill Daniel Bryan in Seattle for good measure.
I don't think I could see Roman Reigns cutting his hair and putting on a suit as an attire Vice.
 

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I don't think I could see Roman Reigns cutting his hair and putting on a suit as an attire Vice.
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Looks pretty good as a corporate heel to me.
 

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Technically that's a ponytail Vice. Plus Authority Roman would be awful in my opinion.
Wow, splitting hairs much? :lol: The point was simply to illustrate that he looks fine with short hair.

He'd be a lot better as an authority guy than Sheamus, or even Rollins for that matter, who should totally be coming back as a babyface. There's a lot more money in the story of Roman selling his soul to the authority in order to win a title and then Rollins and Ambrose banding together to "save" him than there is in him beating Triple H as a conquering hero. Everything about Reigns screams heel dude and the suit and tie just make it that much better. Besides, he'd be a lot better with Steph and Vince doing some of his talking than letting him hang out there to die with his shitty winking promos.
 
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Wow, splitting hairs much? :lol: The point was simply to illustrate that he looks fine with short hair.

He'd be a lot better as an authority guy than Sheamus, or even Rollins for that matter, who should totally be coming back as a babyface. There's a lot more money in the story of Roman selling his soul to the authority in order to win a title and then Rollins and Ambrose banding together to "save" him than there is in him beating Triple H as a conquering hero. Everything about Reigns screams heel dude and the suit and tie just make it that much better. Besides, he'd be a lot better with Steph and Vince doing some of his talking than letting him hang out there to die with his shitty winking promos.
We could argue about this for a long time Vice, you got you're opinion I got mine. haha
 

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I agree with Brandon. Have a good one.
I love you for that. Still, why don't you join the discussion and offer some of your own points.

While I certainly commend your creativity on coming up with that explanation, the fact remains that I firmly believe that they aren't trying to tell that story. Rather, they just shoved the guys into the match like they always do and just expect the viewer to accept it as part of something bigger. When there's no actual payoff (as there usually isn't) I won't be shocked. If there is, I'll give them credit for creating compelling, long-term storytelling that helps to get their wrestlers more over. Honestly ask yourself which of these two scenarios is more likely given their recent history? I'm not just talking about the obvious Reigns win at 'Mania either, since that won't result in him getting any more over than he already is.

Their inability to understand even the simplest logic and/or reaction is the main reason I find myself fast forwarding through 90% of the main product these days. Ambrose gets a bigger pop than Reigns on any given night (and easily at the Rumble) so they'll use him to eat the pin and keep Reigns strong. Hell, I won't be shocked at all if they just up and turn Ambrose heel during the match, which would at least result in one of the most hilarious fan reactions of all-time. Actually, now I'm kind of hoping they do just royally fuck themselves over like that, I do love a good car crash every now and then. :lol:
Thank you. I certainly try. I'll definitely grant you it's far more likely to be the latter. WWE doesn't always use their brain.

However, these thoughts are mostly coming from what I've seen WWE subtly put out there.

It genuinely looked to me after the match was made, Roman and Dean were already giving each other the "there can be only one" look.



I'll grant you that it would be stupid as fuck to turn the second or third most over babyface in the company to continue to try and get lukewarm receptions for a mediocre babyface, but that's unfortunately how I see it going down. Sadly, I believe this is Vince who still believes he can make a superstar out of the powerhouse and is willing to sacrifice the smaller guy in exchange for it. Not that Dean hasn't or can't do well as a heel mind you. It would be priceless seeing the WWE Universe conflicted on whether to cheer or boo Ambrose turning on Roman. It would all depend on how much they care about him that minute. I'd pay (the money I'm already paying) to see that crazy mess unfold at Fastlane.

Let's hope WWE goes all out with it and makes a huge train wreck of it. I'm game.

I think some of these theories are giving WWE creative waaaay too much credit :lol:

The one year an Elimination Chamber match would have solved everything easily, and they canned it last year. Damnit.
Maybe I am giving WWE way too much credit. I hope not. It's not exactly rocket science I'm conceiving of here.

It seems pretty clear to me to get Roman and Dean against each is the next play. Aren't they still doing Elimination Chamber in July?

Not to mention it would be one of the stupidest things they've done from a booking perspective. They should turn Reigns heel, have him cut his hair, put on a suit and kill Daniel Bryan in Seattle for good measure.
Exactly what I said in an earlier post. Turning the massively over Dean Ambrose is foolish. Take the struggling Roman Reigns, turn him, get the fans to boo like they want and then have him massacre all their favorites, effectively turning we're bored of you boos, to legit heat for him. I fucking love the idea of a makeover, too. The fans will hate it and I'll eat it up. It'll be like when they wanted to have Daniel Bryan clean up or when Rocky went Corporate. It'll completely rejuvenate his character. He desperately needs new life. This is it.

Plus, I think he would look dope with short hair, a clean face and fine clothes. I wouldn't stick with suits, though. I'd also have him come out in fancy designer outfits and flash his new Authority money. The fans would boo him out of the building in the complete opposite way of how they cheer for Dean Ambrose. It would make for the perfect symbiosis.

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Looks pretty good as a corporate heel to me.
Agreed. That is sexy. Make it happen.
 

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Wow, splitting hairs much? :lol: The point was simply to illustrate that he looks fine with short hair.

He'd be a lot better as an authority guy than Sheamus, or even Rollins for that matter, who should totally be coming back as a babyface. There's a lot more money in the story of Roman selling his soul to the authority in order to win a title and then Rollins and Ambrose banding together to "save" him than there is in him beating Triple H as a conquering hero. Everything about Reigns screams heel dude and the suit and tie just make it that much better. Besides, he'd be a lot better with Steph and Vince doing some of his talking than letting him hang out there to die with his shitty winking promos.
Honestly, I don't know why they didn't pull the trigger on this at survivor Series. The story you laid out here sells itself. It didn't make any sense to me then to have him stay a good guy and to have Sheamus cash in to become the new world champion. The banter between Ambrose and Reigns alone would be gold. Imagine all the digs Ambrose would give Reigns for selling out like Rollins. While, Roman would blame all his hardships on the Universe loving Ambrose more than him, causing him to not get the support he needed to become the top guy. Absolute gold. Roman Reigns was born to be a bad guy. He has the look, the flair, the size and the movement of a complete asshole. It works so well.