Jaime and Cersei's Twincest is definately wrong, but I think sick, messed up shit is crucial to creating a good villain. You want them to have something disturbing about them, because it's hateable.
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He's abusive, yeah, I think an abusive person can make for an entertaining villain, though. He's definately better than Joffrey, in any case. Speaking of bad guys, how do you feel about Gregor? Are you as appalled by him as Joffrey and Viserys? Gregor is basically universally considered the most descipable character in the books. During Roberts Rebellion, he smashed Prince Rhaegar's infant son into a stone wall, killed their baby daughter and then raped Rhaegar's wife with the baby's blood on his hands. Sick shit, and the atrocities don't end there. I love Gregor, though, because he has no limits. Ramsay Bolton, Roose Bolton's son is another disgustingly vile piece of shit, he's just as bad as Gregor. You got to read what he does to women.
Ramsay Bolton - A Wiki of Ice and Fire
George R.R. Martin has something seriously wrong with him, LOL.
I know what you're talking about, yes. I still like Viserys, he's entertaining, even if you'll never like him. I don't even think he's comparable to Joffrey, who I can understand your hatred of even if I dislike him for a different reason. Viserys might be a "jerk", but he's gotten a horrible deal. His father was murdered when he was a kid, his throne was stolen, he was shipped to the next continent when he was around 5, he had to raise his sister from birth all by himself and it was his responsibility to restore his family's name. The fact that he's an asshole is understandable. Most people would be very hostile if they were treated the way he was. That's what I like about Martin's writing, not all of his villains are just bad for no reason, they have real motivations and reasons for being the way they are. Joffrey on the other hand doesn't, he's just a psychotic kid who has no reason to be, he's had everything handed to him and he's not even entitled to it since he's a bastard.
Yes, I'm very aware of everything Tywin has put Tyrion through, he's a horrendous parent and human being to boot, but a fascinating character. I guess I can understand your view of Jaime when it's worded like that. As for Viserys and Joffrey, how can you say you root for the bad guys and then say they're awful people and can't root for them? So you only cheer for nominally bad guys? I can really appreciate a despicable villain, if they're entertaining. Viserys is great but I don't like Joffrey because he's a kid and kids annoy me. They're both extremely well cast, though, they really know how to act like villains.
Arya is ok, but I just don't understand the appeal. Maybe it's a female thing, but I just don't see why she's so overwhelmingly compelling. I like her, but only nominally. She's just another character for me. Tyrion I completely agree on, obviously. He's undisputedly the best character in the series, probably the most popular, and he's Martin's favourite. I don't understand the "love to hate" thing, I just love characters and hate them and want them to go away, not hate them and enjoy hating them. Jaime is one of the better characters, regardless. Viserys is awesome, he's so much better than Dany. It's a shame he didn't make it out of the first book, I love a good villain. Well, in most cases, I do hate Joffrey, but that's just because I hate kids, not because I hate villains. I tend to cheer the bad guy all the time. 9 times out of 10, they're the ones who make the story interesting, not the heroes.
Tyrion, Tywin, Viserys, Robert, Ned, Jaime, and Stannis. I like most characters, I suppose, but most of the other ones are just kinda there, they don't seem as interesting.
The fans want to see Triple H vs Punk too, that's not happening. Not at WrestleMania when it NEEDS to, at least. He can face Jericho ANY time. This wasn't necessary and Punk is going to suffer for it.
It's just a little reference to a tv character, a quote from him. Funny stuff. Storm of Swords is definately my favourite, it's most commonly people's favourite book of the series.
I was born ready. I'm Ron fucking Swanson.
I don't know if you'll get that reference or not, but it's a funny little bonus if you do.
I've been patiently waiting for a whole year. Then I have to wait even longer for 3, which I'm dying for.
You don't, I do. Facing a guy with as low a level of credibility as Chris Jericho is not a good sign for a guy who's only been main eventing for 8 months, he's gonna lose all his momentum. I'm not concerned about the quality of the match, that's irrelevant, all I care about is Punk's standing in the months after it. Punk sucks in the ring anyway, so I never go into a match he has expecting a good one, and Jericho wasn't as good as he was before in his last run in the ring. What Punk has to worry about is that beating Jericho does nothing for his career. Beating Triple H would have made people go "wow, they're really serious about pushing this guy as a legit superstar". Now here's what happens when he beats Jericho - "Well, that was obvious. What's next?" If he's not re-elevated soon, his career's going to be shot to hell. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he were drafted to SmackDown to trade him for Orton, which would be a death blow.
I disagree. A match with Jericho at WrestleMania definately signals an oncoming de-push. It proves the company aren't committed to him being a main event star, or he'd be facing a real star with actual credibility. Jericho is in essentially the same spot as Kane or Rey Mysterio, he's a B grade main eventer who the company throws at someone for filler. If you have filler at WrestleMania, that's a bad sign. His momentum is close to being dead, it isn't going to last much longer without a monumental win that establishes that he's the major player in the WWE title scene. He needed that, and instead they threw him a guy who's won about 20 matches in the last 7 years.
I don't care how many people want to see this feud, I care about Punk's growth as a main eventer. The reason I don't want him facing Jericho is because I don't want him to BECOME Jericho. I don't want him to be the guy who jobs out every month and then gets 1 world title reign every 2 years. He's too good for that, hell, Jericho is too good for that, that's why I can't stand the thought of Punk not being in a career defining WrestleMania match. He needed Triple H, he needed a bonafide, main event star to launch him into permanent main event status for life. Jericho isn't that guy, he's lower than where Punk is now ffs. Yes, they ruined the feud with Triple H but there's always a way to make things salvagable. Jericho vs Punk should've happened in the middle of the year or at SummerSlam. He can't live off the shoot forever, his momentum is gonna die soon if he's not elevated to legitimate, permanent main event status. Very soon.
Yeah I watched it earlier when I woke up.
I like Jericho's jacket. You can get that one for me if you can't get the North Face.
I'm not gonna argue that Punk vs Jericho is a better feud than Punk vs Triple H, but I can't support it because Punk doesn't need a good feud, he needs to be solidified as a main eventer for life. He's still at the point where if his momentum dies out, he could go back to the midcard and I fear that he's going to shortly after Jericho makes him look irrelevant on the biggest show of the year. Going over Jericho isn't exactly a fitting culmination of his year, he's already more credible than Jericho, beating him does no good. I have no problem with them feuding but it's the wrong time, I wanted to see this feud at SummerSlam or something. It's going to be entertaining, but that just isn't enough this time unfortunately. If he had gone over Triple H at WM, his spot on the card would be untouchable.OMG why? What happened???
Going ok thanks. Moved back to my parents while I clear some debts so it's a tight squeeze again. I miss my own space!!
Fair enough. When it happens, you'll know.
He's not great at putting others over, he's terrible at it. That's ALL he does, so a win over him is absolutely useless. He lost to JTG, Tyson Kidd and Heath Slater before for fucks sake. Where are they? Exactly. Meaningless jobs that don't elevate the person who wins, and make the person who puts them over look worthless. Punk has already surpassed Jericho in star power, so there's nothing good coming out of this. The only thing it can do is after Jericho fights Punk and makes the WWE title look irrelevant on the biggest show of the year, Punk gets de-pushed because his momentum goes drastically down. If he had fought Triple H at WM, he'd be a main eventer for life, guaranteed. -
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