WWE vs TNA: Which is better?

[wwe_fanatic]

(Following on from TDK) The Live Production and Business are major parts to a professional wrestling company. You can't have a company that has just wrestlers. You need to know how to promote it and put it out there for all to see (and putting a poster on your street ain't gonna make it worldwide). Ok, TNA puts on some interesting matches (Ultimate X matches with Styles and Daniels [imo]) but then again it doesn't nessacerly (sp?) mean that it's better. One aspect of the company cannot overpower another that has been established in households for years. Maybe in about 10 years then you can raise this question but for now, no point really.

I found this somewhere: "i think WWE and TNA should team up and compete against ROH so they dont have this fucking who is better shit!" rofl

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Better wrestling? I will quote Batista here:

"Wrestling is not only wrestling, it's telling a story.

When have you seen anybody in TNA tell a real story while wrestling. Maybe Kurt Angle sometimes with Samoa Joe, but stop counting. IN WWE even Chavo Guerrero tells a story in the ring

 

[PeepShow]

^What the fuck are you talking about?

Dude, every match tells somewhat of a story. Theres nowhere to even begin with how stupid your post sounded in saying that WWE tells a sotry and TNA doesnt.

 

[Superfluous Idealist]

I personally find this entertaining comparing the already established WWE with TNA just now getting the 2 hours and WWE has been doing this for how long? If WWE isn't better than the other promotions that are just coming into the casual fans view. Then there must be something seriously wrong with WWE. I will seriously start comparing them when they are on the same night or WWE acknowledges them and actually start trying to be a better product.

 

[Angryphilip2]

even Chavo Guerrero tells a story in the ring

you do realize that Chavo is better than half of the WWE roster right? he is a great heel..so no fucking duh he can tell a story in the ring

and im sorry but its abusrd to think that WWE tells stories in their matches and TNA doesnt. its comments like that, that make antiTNA people look like peepshows favorite word: SHEEP

 

[PeepShow]

^Ive actually shy'd away from that word for about a week now. I guess people havent really noticed....lol

 

[Superfluous Idealist]

Better wrestling? I will quote Batista here:

"Wrestling is not only wrestling, it's telling a story.

When have you seen anybody in TNA tell a real story while wrestling. Maybe Kurt Angle sometimes with Samoa Joe, but stop counting. IN WWE even Chavo Guerrero tells a story in the ring

Hah plus its a Quote by Batista so its not exactly that credible.

 

[CenaMark54]

Well, I would rebbuttle on that, but not right now. Im just too lazy. Maybe when the time comes that I get totally pissed the fuck off and I really dont care about getting banned, then maybe I will.

But I will say this, the first 2 columns, "Live Event Production" and "Business", they come over time. WWE has been around for lets say mainly about 25 years. TNA has for about 5. Thats 5 times more in case you cant do the match. So obviously, they should have the advantage in all those. As for the "Wrestling", thats more on a basis of opinion, and IMO, I will go with TNA over WWE in all of those categories. When it comes to booking, thats pretty much a stalemate, b/c both suck really bad right now.

Like I said, if you want to look at it from a business standpoint, then you go right ahead, b/c yes, the WWE has the advantage and prolly will for a long, LONG while. But to me, I know I dont watch wrestling for its stage producers and venus and all other things like that. I watch it for wrestling ,and to me, TNA has greater WRESTLING. But thats just me.

(On a side note, back to College Football) YAY!!!

WWE blows TNA away when it comes to wrestling too. But thats just my opinion. There are many different ways to enjoy wrestling matches and many different types of wrestling matches.

I like matches that tell a story. I like psychology in matches. I like the progression of moves, focusing on body parts, isolating opponents, etc.

Sure, TNA matches are faster and the workrate may be higher at times, but it doesn't always make sense. For example, I would much rather see Randy Orton roll to the outside to try and slow down the momentum of the match and increase the heat he is getting than see a highflyer hit some crazy move that doesn;t really make sense. I would much rather see HHH sell a move and limp around the ring than see two wrestlers going back and forth at 100% the entire match.

I obviously think the WWE style of matches are better than TNA. Does that mean its better wrestling? Not necessarily, its a matter of personal preference.

The thing to look at are factors not based on personal preference. Things like buyrates, and ratings, and merch, and production, and storylines. WWE blows TNA away in those aspects. Sure the WWE has an advantage when it comes to things like experience and economies of scale but thats just what it is, an advantage. An advantage that the WWE has over TNA that contributes to it being better than TNA.

 

[PeepShow]

Exactly, I couldnt have said it much better cept for the fact that your selection of wrestling styles is wrong , but as you said its a preference and opinion, so it really doesnt matter.

 

[the dark knight]

WWE blows TNA away when it comes to wrestling too. But thats just my opinion. There are many different ways to enjoy wrestling matches and many different types of wrestling matches.

I like matches that tell a story. I like psychology in matches. I like the progression of moves, focusing on body parts, isolating opponents, etc.

Sure, TNA matches are faster and the workrate may be higher at times, but it doesn't always make sense. For example, I would much rather see Randy Orton roll to the outside to try and slow down the momentum of the match and increase the heat he is getting than see a highflyer hit some crazy move that doesn;t really make sense. I would much rather see HHH sell a move and limp around the ring than see two wrestlers going back and forth at 100% the entire match.

I obviously think the WWE style of matches are better than TNA. Does that mean its better wrestling? Not necessarily, its a matter of personal preference.

The thing to look at are factors not based on personal preference. Things like buyrates, and ratings, and merch, and production, and storylines. WWE blows TNA away in those aspects. Sure the WWE has an advantage when it comes to things like experience and economies of scale but thats just what it is, an advantage. An advantage that the WWE has over TNA that contributes to it being better than TNA.

and ya know something, if you REALLY like matches for just the moves, spots, etc....you're either GAY or a 12 year old kid. personal choice? sure, kids also have their choices. but that doesn't change the fact that they are kids...

its just my opinion..

 

[The Godfather]

It's funny how almost every point that is in defense of the WWE is "Oh, their production values are better", "They have more money", "They sell out arenas", etc. and all this is fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean a damn thing when your product is shit. The casual fans don't really know any better, and can be sold anything, and I will give the devil his due Vince Mcmahon is a great SALESMAN, and that's all he is, and you marks buy it every time, and let's be honest the man could sell a blind man bifocals, but just because the sell their product better doesn't mean it IS better.

It looks as if the people who still feel the need to defend the WWE have run out of excuses as to why they are superior, and so they resort to the "Business and Financial" side of things rather than base it on which product is better. Funny how a couple years ago that the main reasons that WWE was superior to TNA was "They have 2 hours", and "TNA has no star power", now those reasons have changed to the business reasons, and in a couple years they'll find another reason and another, until it's like "WWE has a bigger entrance ramp", "WWE has better lighting".

Honestly, if your that far up Vince's ass that you defend his company to seemingly no end with your main reason being that they have more money, then you should honestly reconsider being a "wrestling" fan because to me there's "Wrestling" fans and then there's "WWE" fans.

No I'm not just defending TNA, because TNA isn't the best wrestling promotion going right now, but it IS the best on national free T.V., I just think that if you're gonna argue something, especially in wrestling, then your main point shouldn't be because one company has more money than the other.

 

[CenaMark54]

It's funny how almost every point that is in defense of the WWE is "Oh, their production values are better", "They have more money", "They sell out arenas", etc. and all this is fine and dandy, but it doesn't mean a damn thing when your product is shit. The casual fans don't really know any better, and can be sold anything, and I will give the devil his due Vince Mcmahon is a great SALESMAN, and that's all he is, and you marks buy it every time, and let's be honest the man could sell a blind man bifocals, but just because the sell their product better doesn't mean it IS better.

It looks as if the people who still feel the need to defend the WWE have run out of excuses as to why they are superior, and so they resort to the "Business and Financial" side of things rather than base it on which product is better. Funny how a couple years ago that the main reasons that WWE was superior to TNA was "They have 2 hours", and "TNA has no star power", now those reasons have changed to the business reasons, and in a couple years they'll find another reason and another, until it's like "WWE has a bigger entrance ramp", "WWE has better lighting".

Honestly, if your that far up Vince's ass that you defend his company to seemingly no end with your main reason being that they have more money, then you should honestly reconsider being a "wrestling" fan because to me there's "Wrestling" fans and then there's "WWE" fans.

No I'm not just defending TNA, because TNA isn't the best wrestling promotion going right now, but it IS the best on national free T.V., I just think that if you're gonna argue something, especially in wrestling, then your main point shouldn't be because one company has more money than the other.

Well at least those who support the WWE can give examples of how the WWE is better. TNA fans just say TNA is better without backing up their claims.

The "WWE Mark" agrument is old and lame if you ask me. Guess what? A majority of people on forums like this are WWE fans and it isn't because they are marks or up vinces ass. Marks don't go on wrestling forums to discuss the backstage aspects of the industry. Further, if you actually read some posts in the WWE forum, most of the biggest WWE supporters can be extremely negative about the product. Its not that they hate, its that they know things can be imporived and thats its not perfect. Very few WWE fans praise the WWE as perfect or catagorize Vince as all knowing.

Where your arguement comletely loses is steam is that you say WWE fans will buy whatever Vince sells without asking why (which is completely untrue) but you fail to state that TNA fans do the same thing. While even the biggest "Cena Mark" will from time to time say Cena should have dropped the belt months ago, TNA fans on here defend TNA to the death, when it is clear that TNA has bigger flaws than WWE. And to show I'm just not claiming TNA has flaws without defending my words, they include, one man holding all three belts, depending on washed up ex WWE stars, forgoing the men who brought you here by signing any wrestler with name recognition.

The wrestling side of things has been discussed over and over. Many people prefer the WWE style of wrestling and prefer promotions that focus on character development and interesting storylines. Just because you don't like the WWE style of wrestling, doesn't mean that you are the litmus test for which promotion is better. However, it can not be debated that the WWE has better overall wrestlers and a more varied approach to its wrestling. You have old school style wrestlers like HHH and Orton, bralwers like Cena, and arial guys like Mysterio and London. Pretty much any of the top wrestlers in the WWE can blow most of the top TNA guys out of the water when it comes to performing during a match.

Laslty, of course the business aspect is going to be relevent. Professional wrestling is first and foremost a business.

 

[the dark knight]

^^thank your for owning the TNA sheep again.

 

[The Godfather]

Well at least those who support the WWE can give examples of how the WWE is better. TNA fans just say TNA is better without backing up their claims.

The "WWE Mark" agrument is old and lame if you ask me. Guess what? A majority of people on forums like this are WWE fans and it isn't because they are marks or up vinces ass. Marks don't go on wrestling forums to discuss the backstage aspects of the industry. Further, if you actually read some posts in the WWE forum, most of the biggest WWE supporters can be extremely negative about the product. Its not that they hate, its that they know things can be imporived and thats its not perfect. Very few WWE fans praise the WWE as perfect or catagorize Vince as all knowing.

Where your arguement comletely loses is steam is that you say WWE fans will buy whatever Vince sells without asking why (which is completely untrue) but you fail to state that TNA fans do the same thing. While even the biggest "Cena Mark" will from time to time say Cena should have dropped the belt months ago, TNA fans on here defend TNA to the death, when it is clear that TNA has bigger flaws than WWE. And to show I'm just not claiming TNA has flaws without defending my words, they include, one man holding all three belts, depending on washed up ex WWE stars, forgoing the men who brought you here by signing any wrestler with name recognition.

The wrestling side of things has been discussed over and over. Many people prefer the WWE style of wrestling and prefer promotions that focus on character development and interesting storylines. Just because you don't like the WWE style of wrestling, doesn't mean that you are the litmus test for which promotion is better. However, it can not be debated that the WWE has better overall wrestlers and a more varied approach to its wrestling. You have old school style wrestlers like HHH and Orton, bralwers like Cena, and arial guys like Mysterio and London. Pretty much any of the top wrestlers in the WWE can blow most of the top TNA guys out of the water when it comes to performing during a match.

Laslty, of course the business aspect is going to be relevent. Professional wrestling is first and foremost a business.

Just to nit pick at your argument a little how exactly is it a known fact that WWE has better performers than TNA? I could've sworn either Shelley, Styles, Daniels, or Senshi could run laps around Triple H, Cena, Batista, or even Mysterio.

Excuse me for not wanting some washed up power tripping 40 year old like Triple H to run my flagship show all the while squashing some of the most promising talent the WWE has. Although, you could argue the same point for Jarrett in TNA, but Jarrett hasn't been on T.V. in months.

Also, you almost make it sound as if I'm in total support of TNA, which isn't completely true. I think TNA does a number of things very well, but they also have their many, many faults, in this particular argument I had to take the lesser of two evils. I honestly have no allegiance to any promotion.

All this being said, No I'm not totally against the WWE, they are the number one wrestling promotion in the world for a reason and I respect that. Also their storylines for the most part keep me entertained. I'm more of a fan of pure wrestling, and WWE since around 2002 (with a number of exceptions) has ceased to have the great matches of yesteryear and that's why I've pretty much given up on them as far as the wrestling aspect of their product goes.

Really, what all of this boils down to is your personal preference and opinion, and no matter how long this thread continues to exist, and no matter how many times people argue, the fact remains that you cant change someone's opinion by sitting at your computer and typing.

^^thank your for owning the TNA sheep again.

To reiterate, I'm not in support of TNA, I just think that between TNA and WWE (Again the lesser of two evils) that TNA is the better choice. So if you could, please, explain to me exactly how this makes me a "sheep"?

 

[CenaMark54]

Just to nit pick at your argument a little how exactly is it a known fact that WWE has better performers than TNA? I could've sworn either Shelley, Styles, Daniels, or Senshi could run laps around Triple H, Cena, Batista, or even Mysterio.

Are you serious? Shelly, Styles, Daniels, and Senshi are low card guys on TNA for a reason. They don't know how to work a Pro Wrestling match. They know nothing about psychology, progression, or selling.

Sure they pull off some fancy moves and move around real fast, but you can see that at your local circus.

Why don't you try comparing Styles and Daniels to Paul London, Kendrick, Yang, and Super Crazy.

I also find it funny that you failed to even mention the best wresters on TNA. You might have had an arguement if you mentioned Angle or Cage. Oh wait, that would have hurt your arguement because they are products of the WWE. Instead you chose to name some high flyers because they work fancy matches and get cheap pops for doing high risk moves and fast back and forth action. However, at the end of the day, the matches are not all that good because they non sell everything and are unable to tell a captivating story. Sure, their matches are good sideshows, but no one really cares about them after because of the lack of anything concrete in their matches.

Don't even get me startred on the differences in mic work or the ability to work a crowd.

Its funny how you bring up the whole "personal preference" thing, because a few posts back you were bashing those who personally prefer WWE by calling them WWE sheep who are up Vince's ass.