Ryback taking time off?

[edge4ever]

In two years, he's definitely improved from what he was. Was he overpushed in 2012 too soon? Yes. Does that mean he had the time to improve? Yes. Has he improved? Yes. As I've already said, put him in a better gimmick/role that suits him and he could work with it. You're not giving him credit where it's due, and by undercutting it and calling him a generic powerhouse (which could be much better exhibited in modern day Big Show), it proves that you're A. Not keeping up with him consistently enough to know what improvement is and B. Not even giving him the chance. Also, in regards to the Cena remark, Cena was going to win that obviously. Ryback's heel turn made no sense and was done solely to give Cena a new opponent. Then Ryback would fall down the later from there because the company wished to go in a direction with Cena instead of Ryback.

you still didn't explain in detail how he's improved, sir. But thank you. Agree to disagree. I am giving him credit. He's had some good matches and he's fun to watch now and then...but he shouldn't put at the upper level. I don't see that talent in him.

Comparing Big Show to Ryback is silly. I was more comparing him to maybe a Batista.

Regardless of how the Cena feud was handled, he had that opportunity...anyone who faces Cena for the title that many times, had some chances to shine.

Again again again, not saying he can't do better with something new and different....but I feel, personally, he's not that great.

 

[Nero_x3]

you still didn't explain in detail how he's improved, sir. But thank you. Agree to disagree. I am giving him credit. He's had some good matches and he's fun to watch now and then...but he shouldn't put at the upper level. I don't see that talent in him.

Comparing Big Show to Ryback is silly. I was more comparing him to maybe a Batista.

Regardless of how the Cena feud was handled, he had that opportunity...anyone who faces Cena for the title that many times, had some chances to shine.

Again again again, not saying he can't do better with something new and different....but I feel, personally, he's not that great.

You didn't give him any credit and now you got back on it and do. Okay then. And i've already explained that in 2 years a guy can do much better than what he did 2 years prior. How hard is that to understand? As far as the powerhouse term goes, you act like any old powerhouse out there can do all the damn moves in the business. They can't. Each person is tailored to their own type of wrestling. Sometimes they can do more, but that's not how bigger guys work. There is lucha, highflying, puroesu, technical, amateur, and "professional" wrestling. Each person has their style that they're tailored to. Anyone who faces Cena for the title or not has a chance to shine? Really. That could happen during the build, but if said person loses, where do they go? It nearly put Bray in a hole earlier this year, and if you're going to try to refute that, then entertain me.

 

[Trip in the Head]

you still didn't explain in detail how he's improved, sir. But thank you. Agree to disagree. I am giving him credit. He's had some good matches and he's fun to watch now and then...but he shouldn't put at the upper level. I don't see that talent in him.

Comparing Big Show to Ryback is silly. I was more comparing him to maybe a Batista.

Regardless of how the Cena feud was handled, he had that opportunity...anyone who faces Cena for the title that many times, had some chances to shine.

Again again again, not saying he can't do better with something new and different....but I feel, personally, he's not that great.

I get you man. I don't really like Lesnar and it's more a personal opinion than based on his in ring ability (which is obv of a high caliber - 16 suplexes lol)

 

[CFCrusader]

Aww, I really enjoyed Ryback. Granted, I disliked the overpush he got in 2012 but if WWE didn't push him as hard and gave him a slower build, Ryback would probably be in the main event scene today. I love the bully gimmick, he's pretty fun as The Big Guy and it's a shame that they didn't use him correctly. As limited as he was in the ring, he improved and really, deserves at least one more shot at the title.

 

[edge4ever]

You didn't give him any credit and now you got back on it and do. Okay then. And i've already explained that in 2 years a guy can do much better than what he did 2 years prior. How hard is that to understand? As far as the powerhouse term goes, you act like any old powerhouse out there can do all the damn moves in the business. They can't. Each person is tailored to their own type of wrestling. Sometimes they can do more, but that's not how bigger guys work. There is lucha, highflying, puroesu, technical, amateur, and "professional" wrestling. Each person has their style that they're tailored to. Anyone who faces Cena for the title or not has a chance to shine? Really. That could happen during the build, but if said person loses, where do they go? It nearly put Bray in a hole earlier this year, and if you're going to try to refute that, then entertain me.

I said, "yes, ive heard him on commentary....he's okay."

I also said, "but he had some good matches, sure."

I've said he's good throughout my posts. Pay attention sir. I am mainly bashing him, however, sure.

There's no details proving that he's "better".....how so? does he have like totally diff move set? Better at selling? he's the same to me.

When I made the Cena comment, I meant it in the sense that win or lose, you have a chance to become bigger. Essentially, most people don't face Cena in numerous title matches unless you're being given a shot. I know Cena beat Bray in the end and I hated that....but I did like that Bray still fought Cena and it made him a bigger heel, regardless of winning or losing.

Case and point, agree to disagree dude. I think Ryback isn't that good....you think he is.

 

[TMBS]

Oh and to add to this, I just rewatched a bunch of Stone Cold promo's and holy shit does Ryback resemble the humorous Stone Cold

 

[Nero_x3]

I said, "yes, ive heard him on commentary....he's okay."

I also said, "but he had some good matches, sure."

I've said he's good throughout my posts. Pay attention sir. I am mainly bashing him, however, sure.

There's no details proving that he's "better".....how so? does he have like totally diff move set? Better at selling? he's the same to me.

When I made the Cena comment, I meant it in the sense that win or lose, you have a chance to become bigger. Essentially, most people don't face Cena in numerous title matches unless you're being given a shot. I know Cena beat Bray in the end and I hated that....but I did like that Bray still fought Cena and it made him a bigger heel, regardless of winning or losing.

Case and point, agree to disagree dude. I think Ryback isn't that good....you think he is.

Look at last night in reference to the Cena thing. Tell me how Bray benefits off of that. K? Anyways, you have given him general credit also liking the guy != good wrestling. You're clearly not establishing them as two different entities. And how is he better? He's got more charisma, he makes moves look better than what they were 2 years ago, and he can sell a bit better. You undercut so many details.

 

[edge4ever]

Look at last night in reference to the Cena thing. Tell me how Bray benefits off of that. K? Anyways, you have given him general credit also liking the guy != good wrestling. You're clearly not establishing them as two different entities. And how is he better? He's got more charisma, he makes moves look better than what they were 2 years ago, and he can sell a bit better. You undercut so many details.

I just made a post about how the Bray and Cena thing was garbage because Bray got stomped to the curb....had he lost in a battle-like fashion, I wouldn't have minded it....every one loses to Cena at some point. Again, I would preferred Bray come out on top in this feud....however, I think their feud was overall good....you're comparing apples and oranges, buddy....what happened with Bray doesn't continue the Cena and Bray feud....Bray was thrown in as a puppet to make Cena look stronger....That didn't happen to Ryback....Ryback wasn't thrown into matches with Cena and obliterated. It was back and forth and Ryback can bounce back from that as it makes him look like a huge heel in the end.

If Cena did to Ryback what he did to Bray last night, I would've said that's too much and it won't help Ryback at all.

I did give him general credit as he's a general athlete to me. General mic work, general ring work, etc. They are different entities and I get that. I feel he's put on some good matches. Anyone can find chemistry with someone else, dude.

You are finally detailed. You not once gave specifics as to how Ryback is "better".....you just stated that he's better now than he was 2 years ago....until just now....you never gave any real reason.....you just said he's better than he was in 2012....I feel Ryback is the same....same move set, same selling, same mic....

No point in discussing it any more, really, our opinions are simply different. You can keep trying to argue with me...in the end, it's all opinion. (GOLD-BERG!!!!!!! GOLD-BERG!!!!)

 

[Majour]

I can't say that I'll be disappointed if he does take time off.
I never saw the Ryback 'over-push' of 2012, so I can't dislike him for that. I don't actively dislike him at all, I just don't care for him.

 

[Trip in the Head]

Should change the name of this thread to "Edge and Nero argue about Ryback" :

 

[edge4ever]

Should change the name of this thread to "Edge and Nero argue about Ryback" :

lol I tried to stop. sorry....hard to not get on these topics with Nero

 

[Nero_x3]

I just made a post about how the Bray and Cena thing was garbage because Bray got stomped to the curb....had he lost in a battle-like fashion, I wouldn't have minded it....every one loses to Cena at some point. Again, I would preferred Bray come out on top in this feud....however, I think their feud was overall good....you're comparing apples and oranges, buddy....what happened with Bray doesn't continue the Cena and Bray feud....Bray was thrown in as a puppet to make Cena look stronger....That didn't happen to Ryback....Ryback wasn't thrown into matches with Cena and obliterated. It was back and forth and Ryback can bounce back from that as it makes him look like a huge heel in the end.

If Cena did to Ryback what he did to Bray last night, I would've said that's too much and it won't help Ryback at all.

I did give him general credit as he's a general athlete to me. General mic work, general ring work, etc. They are different entities and I get that. I feel he's put on some good matches. Anyone can find chemistry with someone else, dude.

You are finally detailed. You not once gave specifics as to how Ryback is "better".....you just stated that he's better now than he was 2 years ago....until just now....you never gave any real reason.....you just said he's better than he was in 2012....I feel Ryback is the same....same move set, same selling, same mic....

No point in discussing it any more, really, our opinions are simply different. You can keep trying to argue with me...in the end, it's all opinion. (GOLD-BERG!!!!!!! GOLD-BERG!!!!)

Ryback was thrown through an ambulance to end the feud. You realize it's similar to Bray's even though it took putting the box on top of the box Bray was in to beat Bray. Chemistry is a relative term, and you're acting as if anyone could work with anyone. That's not how wrestling works. You don't give full credit where it's due, instead of saying that he's improved you deny that fact and continue to state that he's the same. And I've said he had 2 years to improve. And instead of actually taking the time to realize that that is a good amount of time for people to improve, it only proves to show. I'd accept the opinions thing if your basis wasn't what it is. Not liking a wrestler != good or bad wrestler.

 

[Aids Johnson]

This is horribly long overdue, and if true so long Axel. Ryback could use a few months off, I would bet my ass he gets a pop return at RR if they let him wait it out. I'd be down on the feed me more gimmick, he doesn't have to win every time but i'd be down with him going over Sheamus and facing Rusev when this USA Russia angle is long passed.

 

[Red Rain]

You only don't see potential in him because WWE has told you there's no potential in him.
WWE fools idiots so da** easily.

 

[edge4ever]

You only don't see potential in him because WWE has told you there's no potential in him.
WWE fools idiots so da** easily.

Thank you for telling me what I think and don't think....no, that's not it....I've been watching wrestling for a long time....and I just don't like Ryback. WWE hasn't "brainwashed" me....trust me...been watching wrestling too long to know the difference. I simply feel that there's very few scenarios you can throw Ryback in and he'd be entertaining. If he's given a "better" chance (than what he's already had) and he impresses me and can work a crowd, both on the mic and in the ring....ill admit im wrong.

I already know for a fact he hasn't sold me in the ring....so that's gone. Mic skills?...sure that could change....