WWE RAW 19th December 2011 - LIVE Discussion

[Troy]

Having read the results it seemed like WWE finally realise that they need to create more stars.

Mainevent is a great indication of this change since they are all relatively new stars. It still amazes me that Punk, Bryan and Ryder are all champions at the same time and smart move to put them in the mainevent together.

Very happy that Barrett put Orton through the table, it should have happened on PPV but then again a lot more people watch RAW so more will see Barrett dominating Orton.

Sheamus, Rhodes and Primo/Epico getting wins is a good sign as well.

Kane getting the better of Cena again is awesome and I can't wait to see how this develops.

 

[Heisenberg]

Oh so people are just harping on internet reports and getting overexcited. Awesome, people should put warnings in their posts that they believe everything dirtsheets say.

Are you referring to me? I never said it wasn't a report, if you read it properly it says "it seems to me".

Anyone think Cena might take time off after WM28?

 

[Kiffy Lube]

Ryder in the main event scares me. He has created the biggest buzz since Cena but he just doesn't have the personality to be there yet. They need to tweek Ryder a bit now. Crying like he did after his match with Cena was awful. He needs to be more badass.

 

[Troy]

I don't think there was an issue with him crying, many wrestlers have done it before him and many wrestlers will do it after him. Plus his gimmick isn't some tough guy heel he is the fun face so it doesn't hurt that image at all. He isn't in the mainevent full time but it is nice seeing the US champion getting more exposure for the title.

 

[Kiffy Lube]

It's just the fact that Ryder has caused such a buzz. WWE could easily bank on something like this but Ryder still seems like such a pussy.

 

[Heisenberg]

I don't think there was an issue with him crying, many wrestlers have done it before him and many wrestlers will do it after him. Plus his gimmick isn't some tough guy heel he is the fun face so it doesn't hurt that image at all. He isn't in the mainevent full time but it is nice seeing the US champion getting more exposure for the title.

Yeah and I think crying about it adds that extra touch too showing that it means something to them and they're so happy that they have won it, like you said, many have done it before him and still will after him. And with him as US Champion it will get the title a lot more exposure as he is so over with the crowd, does a weekly YouTube show, signings, promos and matches. I liked the whole thing Punk, Bryan and Him done on RAW tonight.

Is his YouTube show over now that he's won the belt?

 

[Kiffy Lube]

When did crying become manly?

 

[Troy]

Since when did crying make someone a pussy? Was Benoit a pussy when he cried when he won the title?

I really don't see the problem. He has had an incredible year which went from nearly being released at the start of the year to finally winning the US title at the end of the year. He would be happy that all his hard work and dedication has paid off and so he was overcome with emotion.

 

[Kiffy Lube]

Are you comparing Ryder to Benoit?

 

[PHX]

Ryder could never pull off being a bad ass he just doesn't have that in him like Miz doesn't have it in him and others. Idk if he'll ever get to main event level but if he does he'd have to add more serious elements about himself which I guess has already happened a lil bit but not much.

 

[Troy]

I am comparing the reactions they had when they won the titles. The reactions were exactly the same so if Ryder crying after winning the US title makes him a pussy then Benoit crying after he won the World title makes him a pussy.

 

[Kiffy Lube]

I was talking about the way Ryder was crying after he lost to Cena on Raw. He looked awful there. You are comparing emotional title wins.

 

[Heisenberg]

Ryder could never pull off being a bad ass he just doesn't have that in him like Miz doesn't have it in him and others. Idk if he'll ever get to main event level but if he does he'd have to add more serious elements about himself which I guess has already happened a lil bit but not much.

Exactly and I don't think he'll get to main event status either any time soon although I do think he will compete in number one contender matches.

I was talking about the way Ryder was crying after he lost to Cena on Raw. He looked awful there. You are comparing emotional title wins.

You do know it's scripted, right? He would of known Cena will give up his shot and he'll have another match just moments after. I don't think he was crying but he did put on that emotional look to sell it off.

 

[Kiffy Lube]

You don't ask online wrestling fans if they know it's scripted.

 

[Kiffy Lube]

I like how I am supposed to accept an awful looking Zack Ryder crying for his existence in wrestling to Cena just because it's FAKE. You still gotta look legit not a god damn baby. On top of all this I'm still a Ryder supporter, I just hated how he reacted after that.