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Hometown Kid

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He hasn't "buried" anyone yet in his title run, unless you want to count Shelton/Kendrick, which would be a joke since they shouldn't have been in the main event anyways.
And MVP...and has it ever occurred to you that those guys WOULD be in the ME scene if they would stop getting buried all the time? I'll give you credit though at least you watch the show with the sound on. >_>

I've enjoyed it regardless since it's Triple H.

I'm sure you have. =] Textbook Triple H mark right there. :rolleyes:
 

the dark knight

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im sorry, but when was burying someone or putting him/her over ALL ABOUT winning or losing?

hardy made triple h look like his bitch in their last match.
 

Great One

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And MVP...and has it ever occurred to you that those guys WOULD be in the ME scene if they would stop getting buried all the time? I'll give you credit though at least you watch the show with the sound on. >_>



I'm sure you have. =] Textbook Triple H mark right there. :rolleyes:
I left MVP out on purpose just for someone to comment, and I figured they'd bring up the whole "lesson on how to do a promo", promo and etc. Sorry, but once Hardy, HHH, Edge, and Taker were all on the show MVP sadly got lost in the shuffle. The WWE (not Triple H), hasn't really attempted to get his name out there again, all I saw was him in a shitty tag match with Shelton and not doing anything else (has he even done the VIP lounge since?). And no, it's never occurred to me that guys like Kendrick and Benjamin would be in the main event scene if they would stop getting buried all the time. Why? Because that whole Kendrick magically gets bumped from cruiserweight to main eventing and the fact that Shelton has been given like 5 different pushes (one from TRIPLE H himself) and failed to get in the main event scene... so no, by the use of logic it didn't occur to me. MVP yeah, but maybe not now, hopefully soon though.

Ok, I'm a "Triple H mark" who the fuck cares? Just watch the show for whoever you like, w/e.

And TDK, I already brought that up.
 

Hometown Kid

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I would just like to know where these alleged 5 different chances that everyone keeps bringing up on Benjamin has came from. Er, putting a meaningless title on him just for him to get killed every week is not a push. That's a burial, teaming him up with Haas for them to job to everyone is not a push and giving a "losing streak" and "Mama's boy" gimmick are not chances. And for those of you who say he's not over how come when they actually booked him legit in 2004-2005 he got voted in an IC title match over such names as Batista and John Cena? :g:

Why wouldn't TBK be there? Everybody knows he can go in the ring, he gets a reaction and can cut a promo. MVP got lost in the shuffle because of backstage antics with certain "testers" not because there are too many stars.

The point is all 3 guys are deserving of a legitimate title run instead of having a lame ass half-year title reign from someone who never loses, hell he can't even lose in a video game article or oh fuck God forbid Trips actually looks worse!
 

Moonlight Drive

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I would just like to know where these alleged 5 different chances that everyone keeps bringing up on Benjamin has came from. Er, putting a meaningless title on him just for him to get killed every week is not a push. That's a burial, teaming him up with Haas for them to job to everyone is not a push and giving a "losing streak" and "Mama's boy" gimmick are not chances. And for those of you who say he's not over how come when they actually booked him legit in 2004-2005 he got voted in an IC title match over such names as Batista and John Cena?
Textbook Shelton Benjamin mark comment. Yay, Shelton was over. In 2005. He is getting booked legit now, he's won the US Championship and has been given plenty of time for promos and matches since his move to SD. Getting killed every week despite being on the winning end of most of his matches. John Cena was never part of the voting for that TT match, and the fact Batista had not even been given a major push at that time and still managed 20% of the votes proves nothing.

Why wouldn't TBK be there? Everybody knows he can go in the ring, he gets a reaction and can cut a promo. MVP got lost in the shuffle because of backstage antics with certain "testers" not because there are too many stars.
Can either man draw? I doubt it. TBK has been squashing people for months, and has only been wrestling singles for a couple months. MVP could carry the championship, but is he really ready? What big feuds has he been in besides Benoit to get him over in 07-08? And Benjamin, he has the personality of a toenail. He can't cut a promo to save his life, and his reign as champion would be marred with low ratings I guarantee that. As for being deserving, none of those 3 guys have been busting there arses for long enough and be consistently over to be deserving of a title reign.

The point is all 3 guys are deserving of a legitimate title run instead of having a lame ass half-year title reign from someone who never loses, hell he can't even lose in a video game article or oh fuck God forbid Trips actually looks worse!
Yep, let's make the face of our company look bad. GREAT IDEA VINCE~! :rolleyes:. The WWE would've done the same for any superstar, yet if this was Taker, HBK, Kennedy, MVP, Benjamin, etc., there would be no bitching, just the obvious which I pointed out that it is bad publicity for WWE. Some more great booking that you came up with, LET'S HAVE THE CHAMPION AND FACE OF OUR COMPANY LOSE ALL THE TIME! And people try to blame Trips for his title reign, he's being doing as best he can with the people he has been feuding with. It's creatives fault, not his. His feud with Orton was great. the feud with Edge was overshadowed by Edge/Vickie. Then he was put in a feud with Khali, and carried him to a **-*** match. Then the Scramble with a bunch of mid-carders and now Jeff. He doesn't decide who he feuds with for fucks sake. Oh wait, ignore what I said, TRIPLE H CONTROLS CREATIVE! Everyone knows that!

Also, please explain how Benjamin, MVP or TBK could possibly have a good championship run.
 

Hometown Kid

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Point 1: You just said Shelton was on the winning end of most matches, that's funny 1 win over MVP, 1 over R-Truth and 2 over Matt Hardy in 3 months isn't most matches. :rolleyes: He's been improving on the mic and is much better than Jeff at this point.

Point 2: Shelton's reign would be marred with low ratings? You mean like Trips' title reign? At least he would be entertaining and they would create a new star while they're at it, same for MVP and TBK.

Point 3: I didn't say lose all the time it might be nice if he just put someone over in say a years' worth of time. Did you miss the part about ass kissing writers? More invalid points from a delusional H mark that thinks everyone is out to get Trips.

As for the 3 guys title runs, All 3 can get over if booked the right way, All 3 can cut promos, and all 3 can go in the ring. And hello, if they can create new stars it would mean more legit guys to challenge Trips! Right now everyone knows what's going to happen in all of H's feuds and that = :n: in drawing.
 

Moonlight Drive

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Point 1: You just said Shelton was on the winning end of most matches, that's funny 1 win over MVP, 1 over R-Truth and 2 over Matt Hardy in 3 months isn't most matches. He's been improving on the mic and is much better than Jeff at this point.
You've been counting his matches? Winning isn't everything in a push. Mr. Kennedy didn't win all the matches in his feud with 'Taker, but he got a huge rub out of it. Benjamin may lose, but he always gets his heat back afterwards (See: Triple H vs Shelton Benjamin). As far as improving on the mic, he is still sub-par, and Jeff is even better than him. Repeatedly talking about gold in a boring tone is not a great deal of improvement.

Point 2: Shelton's reign would be marred with low ratings? You mean like Trips' title reign? At least he would be entertaining and they would create a new star while they're at it, same for MVP and TBK.
Triple H's title reigns drawing low? Then why would they give it to him 12 times? You still fail to see the point. Despite popular belief by smarks around the world, Triple H does not control creative. It's not up to him who he faces. Shelton cannot go on the mic, Triple H is one of the best in the business, probably the best on Smackdown right now. He has also proven to be one of the best in the ring, Shelton has had a few good matches (with Shawn Michaels, but then again, who hasn't) but nothing on the level or consistency to prove himself of a title reign, and giving the championship to Shelton would not be entertaining. The same could be said for the other two. MVP can go on the mic, so can Kendrick, and go in the ring. But is it time to give them the belt? No. Neither man is a Main Eventer, and people would just tune out. TBK hasn't even been in a mid-card feud yet, he was in the scramble and besides that it has been squashes. Yay, champion!

Point 3: I didn't say lose all the time it might be nice if he just put someone over in say a years' worth of time. Did you miss the part about ass kissing writers? More invalid points from a delusional H mark that thinks everyone is out to get Trips.
Is that your best defence? Triple H mark? Lulz, it's pretty funny I actually like MVP better than Triple H, a guy who I can admit is not ready for the title, and plenty of guys. I'm far from a Triple H mark (I'm only a Michaels mark :D). Ass kissing writers, THAT is an invalid point. Where did you get that information from? The all-knowing interwebz? Since all those reporters go into the locker rooms daily and get their information. Remember when CM Punk had 'backstage heat'? Oh yeah, then he won the World Title the next night. The Internet is very accurate. Triple H is a scapegoat because he married Steph. And Triple H putting someone over actually means something because he isn't jobbed out to every flavour of the month like Flair was. Jeff, Batista and Orton for example going over Triple H catapulted them into superstardom.

As for the 3 guys title runs, All 3 can get over if booked the right way, All 3 can cut promos, and all 3 can go in the ring. And hello, if they can create new stars it would mean more legit guys to challenge Trips! Right now everyone knows what's going to happen in all of H's feuds and that = in drawing.
But can they draw people to watch them, the point of the champion? I went over this, Shelton can't cut a promo for shit, and none of the men have proved themselves ready for the title but almost MVP. You know who else can go in the ring and/or on the mic? Umaga, Cody Rhodes, Ted DiBiase, Scotty Goldman, Kofi Kingston, Evan Bourne, Jack Swagger, etc. etc. Hey, let's give them the belt, they'll be great! You don't created a new star by just randomly taking him from the mid-card to the Main Event, you have to build him up first.
 

Great One

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I would just like to know where these alleged 5 different chances that everyone keeps bringing up on Benjamin has came from. Er, putting a meaningless title on him just for him to get killed every week is not a push. That's a burial, teaming him up with Haas for them to job to everyone is not a push and giving a "losing streak" and "Mama's boy" gimmick are not chances. And for those of you who say he's not over how come when they actually booked him legit in 2004-2005 he got voted in an IC title match over such names as Batista and John Cena? :g:
Does Kurt Angle ring a bell?

Why wouldn't TBK be there? Everybody knows he can go in the ring, he gets a reaction and can cut a promo. MVP got lost in the shuffle because of backstage antics with certain "testers" not because there are too many stars.
Hardly gets a reaction and that doesn't change the fact that he's like 120 pounds and hardly can be seen as a viable threat to anyone. That ties into the previous credibility factor. And yes, you would know about backstange antics because you're backstage, right?

The point is all 3 guys are deserving of a legitimate title run instead of having a lame ass half-year title reign from someone who never loses, hell he can't even lose in a video game article or oh fuck God forbid Trips actually looks worse!
No, they aren't. And once again another irrelevant, unproven, worthless news article you seem to be attempting to base arguments off of...
 

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I don't know what show you have been seeing, but HHH gets cheered OVER Jeff Hardy.

And I can't believe that you actually used Mark Henry as an example to prove your point about Taker. Mark Henry is Taker's personal bitch, just as Khali.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlL7MLUDp9s

You'll obviously try to say "well that was his debut, of course they'll do that!" Well, when was the last time something like that happened to Triple H? As for Henry, he raped Undertaker and in kayfabe took him out for months. "But wait, Roxxi, that was just so Undertaker could have time off!" Um, when was the last time Triple H let something like that happen to him?

And oh, so, just because they stood over Taker they are stronger?
Well that's what the marks are trying to say is "putting over", when Jeff/Kozlov cheapshot Triple H and then stand over him to end the show.

Khali: Khali took out Taker..then lost a LAST MAN STANDING MATCH.
Bolded the important part. When was the last time Khali not only took out Taker, but utterly decimated him while no-selling some of his signature moves? (I say "signature moves" rather than punches because Undertaker is constantly hyped as the best pure striker in the business) On a debut, no less?

Kennedy: Yeah, he got on fire on his feud with Taker, but it wasn't because of Taker losing to him, because each time they fought and Kennedy won it was because of cheatery, yeah, until Taker send Kennedy to his LAST RIDE.
Heaving him off the set is cheating? No, it's hardcore. Kennedy didn't get over because of a few cheap rakes to the eyes. He got over because he raped Undertaker in that ring. Yes, he lost, but again, when was the last time Triple H was assaulted that badly by a midcarder in a match, when he saw it coming and didn't stop it from happening because he flat out COULD NOT OVERCOME HIS OPPONENT?

Big Daddy V: Blood. Gogoplata, tap out in seconds. Yeah, real put over.
Torture rack, unconscious Taker. Yes, I realize that this was assisted by Henry and it wasn't actually in a match, but as long as we're going with this theory that cheapshots outside a match equate to "putting over", I get to use those examples too.

Undertaker may ultimately win his feuds, but during them, he's the midcarders' bitch. His opponents don't just get a few weak little lucky shots; no, they lay the hammer down on Undertaker. They may lose, but they walk away stronger for it. With Triple H? Ha, no.

He hasn't "buried" anyone yet in his title run, unless you want to count Shelton/Kendrick, which would be a joke since they shouldn't have been in the main event anyways.
Yeah, they're not talented enough for the main event, no sir. And Kendrick? Pfft, he has no heat; his mic skills are a complete joke and the fact that he calls himself a high flyer is an insult to everyone who uses that wrestling style. He's completely and utterly untalented, DEFINITELY less entertaining to watch than the champions we have now and therefore completely undeserving of any title run. After all, he's unimpressive and he has no mic skills.

Oh wait. :shifty:

As for his title run, I agree it's been kinda meh, but I've enjoyed it regardless since it's Triple H.
Aren't you a little old to be this blatant of a mark? I can admit when Roxxi's curse like a sailor promos are completely forced and barely watchable, and the fact that it's Nikki Roxx there doesn't "make it ok." So what, the title run sucks, but that's ok because it's Triple H doing the sucking and therefore the sucking does not suck? What kind of paradox of marking is this? The phone company doesn't hit me with such a bemusing maze of circular logic.

MVP can go on the mic, so can Kendrick, and go in the ring. But is it time to give them the belt? No. Neither man is a Main Eventer, and people would just tune out. TBK hasn't even been in a mid-card feud yet, he was in the scramble and besides that it has been squashes. Yay, champion!
Kozlov squashed jobbers for half a year, and now he's challenging the champions and people are buying it.
 

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God I am so glad I brought this back! :D
 

THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps

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Hometwon Kid said:
And for those of you who say he's not over how come when they actually booked him legit in 2004-2005 he got voted in an IC title match over such names as Batista and John Cena?
You are sooooo stupid for using this as a a point.

1) Batista was a heel, and hadn't yet received a real push.

2) Cena wasn't an option.

3) Shelton was in the middle of a push.

4) Vince McMahon endorsed him the week before on Raw.

5) Every other face option was a jobber. Rhino? Tajiri? Val Venis? Oh yeah, let's go vote for them, instead of the guy we have been told to. :rolleyes:


As far as Triple H goes, a lot of the time it seems to be blind bashing. People say he has an influence that holds people like Shelton down backstage. Just how the fuck would you know what happens backstage?
 

Moonlight Drive

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RLFB said:
Kozlov squashed jobbers for half a year, and now he's challenging the champions and people are buying it.
Kendrick and Koslov are complete opposite. For one, Koslov has been doing the squashing for much longer, and he is physically intimidating. 6'6, 300 pounds, looks like an absolute fucking beast when he wrestles, and has been building up for a championship match for a long time. Kendrick is what 5'6 180 pounds and dances around like a poof. He's great in the ring and on the mic, but you pointed out the biggest problem with what you said abouot Koslov. Can people buy Kendrick as a title contender? Right now, no. It's a lot easier to get big guys over than small guys, and Kendrick needs to at least get some wins and feuds with big stars for a few more years before he even goes near the WWE Championship.

BKB said:
As far as Triple H goes, a lot of the time it seems to be blind bashing. People say he has an influence that holds people like Shelton down backstage. Just how the fuck would you know what happens backstage?
The internet is always right~! Meltzer is God~!
 

Hometown Kid

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You are sooooo stupid for using this as a a point.
5) Every other face option was a jobber. Rhino? Tajiri? Val Venis? Oh yeah, let's go vote for them, instead of the guy we have been told to. :rolleyes:


As far as Triple H goes, a lot of the time it seems to be blind bashing. People say he has an influence that holds people like Shelton down backstage. Just how the fuck would you know what happens backstage?

That was the entire point. What is so hard to understand about if they gave Shelton a real push and let him go Trips on everyone 6 months he'd be just as over and There would be another ME'er to go with Trips and Edge and whatnot.

"And to the how do I know what goes on backstage?" point. I guess i'm just using a radical new way of thinking of looking at facts and putting 2 and 2 together. Stephanie Mcmahon is the head of the writing team. Fact. Trips is married to her. Fact. So yeah sure he doesn't have any friends in the company...:rolleyes:
 

Moonlight Drive

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That was the entire point. What is so hard to understand about if they gave Shelton a real push and let him go Trips on everyone 6 months he'd be just as over and There would be another ME'er to go with Trips and Edge and whatnot.
Like I said. He has the personality of a toenail. Not to mention being lazy.

"And to the how do I know what goes on backstage?" point. I guess i'm just using a radical new way of thinking of looking at facts and putting 2 and 2 together. Stephanie Mcmahon is the head of the writing team. Fact. Trips is married to her. Fact. So yeah sure he doesn't have any friends in the company...
Fact. WE. DON'T. KNOW. SHIT. Let's not pretend we do. You have jackshit of an idea what goes on backstage, just like the rest of us.

Triple H is just the scapegoat, and you proved that point there. Putting 2 and 2 together? More like blindly waving your arms like a whiny bitch claiming Triple H is the reason Shelton Benjamin isn't a Main Eventer. Shelton Benjamin is the reason Shelton Benjamin isn't a Main Eventer. Triple H married Stephanie. Yay.

It was 7 years ago! Get the fuck over it! He was already receiving a huge push and was a multiple time world champion before they got married! When your only defence is 'but he's married to Steph, he must have soooo much backstage pull' it proves how much you don't know.
 

THE Brian Kendrick's Biceps

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Wait ... so Shelton Benjamin isn't a main eventer because of Triple H? Wow. I could swear it was the fact that he's csared the microphone might bite him. Or that by having some charisma, he may explode. I guess I was wrong.

You put two and two together? I have news for you. 2 + 2 = 4, not 5. Call me when you see what happens backstage, then we'll talk. Until then, your blind guessing will be considered ignorant, and just a way of you making excuses for the incompetence of Shelton Benjamin.