WWE Getting Sharper On Talent

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MizMasta3000

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Ok so if anyone has been reading any WWE news lately, you are well aware of the countless guys that WWE released from FCW. Personally, I think this is the first step to actually squeezing some fresh, and worthy talent out of FCW (who besides Drew, Sheamus, Swagger, and a few others has been giving us less than bragable guys to get amped over). WWE has been "trimming the fat" in FCW and signing some new guys like Danielson, Steamboat Jr. and such to actually try and build our superstars of tommorow. WWE is finally looking to turn into the "getting it right" direction.

Thoughts?
 

noumenon

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Guys are signed and released from developmental on almost a daily basis, especially around this time of year. I don't see much different than usual.
 
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What it boils down to for WWE talent is size. There just aren't that many big dudes on the indies with an acceptable WWE size. Nowadays the indies are completely littered with relative sized midgets and that is not what the E is looking for for a few reasons.

1. With the exception being Rey, who has the Chicano audience, little guys just don't draw. Jeff Hardy was skinny but he was what? 6 ft? Benoit and Guerrerro were short stacks but they had the build (thanks, Steroids!) Jericho has to have like an inch or two added to his workboots to get him the height he needed for his career to reach the heights it did. (Pun intended!)
-Little guys don't draw and never have because for how much we internet smarks clamor for an Evan Bourne or some other spot monkey to headline, we make up the minority of fans. A majority of fans are still hillbilly, old fashioned, lower class people like my father. They just don't buy into little dudes toppling guys that are 6 inches and 50-100 pounds heavier, and it makes sense. I mean people complain about how Rey ws jobbed to all these monsters during his title reign, but it made sense. People would have called bullshit with him beating Kahli and Henry, etc. Having smalls beat bigs would make wrestling appear even faker than it already is, having cruisers doing some of the overly contrived moves they do on the indies awes alot of smarks but to people who've had success running the biz it takes away and cheapens the "realness" of standard wrestling. Sorry guys, but being able to grab a headlock or a rest hold is more pivotal to being a successful wrestler than doing spot monkey type moves that get an "ooo" or "ahh" or a "holy shit". You have to be able to work the crowd for an entire match, not for just certain spots. That formula has never worked and really never will, there aren't enough smarks to fund the E to change, if there were RoH would be the top promotion in the world, dudes like Kenny Omega and Chuck Taylor would be headlining WrestleMania and TNA wouldn't need to bring in yester-year's top acts. That's just one of those "just the way it is" things in wrestling.

I'm not saying a wrestler has to have a Batista physique, but you have to be a legit 6 ft+ and a solid 215+ to stand a real chance at being successful in the business. And that's hows it's always been in the biz from Thesz all the way to Cena with Rey being the exception. Cruisers have their place on the card and they serve their purpose, but to think of a cruiser as your "World Heavyweight Champion" isn't feasible, no matter what the IWC thinks.

And the E development system doesn't have too many legit bigs to pick up from the Indies, they have to look outside of wrestling to get guys, like in Martial Arts to get a Kozlov and so on. Plus another HUGE reason is the poor booking and preparation they receive down in Florida, it isn't what Cena, Batista and so on were getting in OVW.
 

MizMasta3000

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@Enzo - Exactly, I was never a fan of Mysterio and everytime he gets in the ring I find it BS that he was made "the ultimate underdog" IMO, he should be sticking to mid card titles and such instead of getting thrown around like a ragdoll to win by a rollup in the last few seconds of a match. I never believed, how Rey could win over Taker, Batista, Khali, and such.
 

noumenon

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...somehow this has turned into a debate on size vs. success, but hey... I'll go with it..lol

Let's face it, just because you're a big guy doesn't mean you need to win the fight. I've seen some pretty little guys make guys about the size of Batista look like absolute fools in fights, size means nothing. Wrestling is fake, so let's just start with that. In a world where a move like a vertical suplex and hunicaranas actually work I don't see any reason why a little guy can't come out on top of a big man. There aren't too many guys out there who are genetically capable of having physiques like Cena or HHH without the use of steroids and performance enhancers. Sure, WWE wants to market guys like Cena, Batista and HHH because they look imposing and threatening. When it comes down to it though, in a world where steroids and performance enhancers are now policed and banned you're going to see a lot more guys who look like Punk, Jericho and Miz rather than Batista and Cena.
 

Great One

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What it boils down to for WWE talent is size. There just aren't that many big dudes on the indies with an acceptable WWE size. Nowadays the indies are completely littered with relative sized midgets and that is not what the E is looking for for a few reasons.

1. With the exception being Rey, who has the Chicano audience, little guys just don't draw. Jeff Hardy was skinny but he was what? 6 ft? Benoit and Guerrerro were short stacks but they had the build (thanks, Steroids!) Jericho has to have like an inch or two added to his workboots to get him the height he needed for his career to reach the heights it did. (Pun intended!)
-Little guys don't draw and never have because for how much we internet smarks clamor for an Evan Bourne or some other spot monkey to headline, we make up the minority of fans. A majority of fans are still hillbilly, old fashioned, lower class people like my father. They just don't buy into little dudes toppling guys that are 6 inches and 50-100 pounds heavier, and it makes sense. I mean people complain about how Rey ws jobbed to all these monsters during his title reign, but it made sense. People would have called bullshit with him beating Kahli and Henry, etc. Having smalls beat bigs would make wrestling appear even faker than it already is, having cruisers doing some of the overly contrived moves they do on the indies awes alot of smarks but to people who've had success running the biz it takes away and cheapens the "realness" of standard wrestling. Sorry guys, but being able to grab a headlock or a rest hold is more pivotal to being a successful wrestler than doing spot monkey type moves that get an "ooo" or "ahh" or a "holy shit". You have to be able to work the crowd for an entire match, not for just certain spots. That formula has never worked and really never will, there aren't enough smarks to fund the E to change, if there were RoH would be the top promotion in the world, dudes like Kenny Omega and Chuck Taylor would be headlining WrestleMania and TNA wouldn't need to bring in yester-year's top acts. That's just one of those "just the way it is" things in wrestling.

I'm not saying a wrestler has to have a Batista physique, but you have to be a legit 6 ft+ and a solid 215+ to stand a real chance at being successful in the business. And that's hows it's always been in the biz from Thesz all the way to Cena with Rey being the exception. Cruisers have their place on the card and they serve their purpose, but to think of a cruiser as your "World Heavyweight Champion" isn't feasible, no matter what the IWC thinks.

And the E development system doesn't have too many legit bigs to pick up from the Indies, they have to look outside of wrestling to get guys, like in Martial Arts to get a Kozlov and so on. Plus another HUGE reason is the poor booking and preparation they receive down in Florida, it isn't what Cena, Batista and so on were getting in OVW.
Something I've talked about for quite some time, dumb, but true. With Jericho, I swear he's shrunk and was definitely making himself look taller in the Attitude Era.. although I'm wondering if you actually had proof for that assessment. As for the last paragraph, what about Kurt Angle? I think he was the most prime example of all time of how a guy can be made to look credibile regardless of his height. He was the shit, and he was fucking up guys like Taker, Kane, and Show on a regular basis. And no, as much as people want to believe or read into the billings he is not 6' (nor is Jericho).
 

noumenon

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I don't think it's a height thing with Jericho as much as build. He's in nowhere near as good of shape as he was back then (muscular build wise) and the long hair can also do a lot for altering someone's look.
 

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Honestly, I think WWE is starting to finally realize that finding new talent for tomorrows WWE is now no more a thing of thought and we have time, but now rather, a must with companies like TNA creeping up on their heels.
 

MizMasta3000

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@ Noum - I wasn't talking about those guys just guys like Rey who get owned the entire match then pulls out a rollup and wins. Thats just ridiculous
 

Wrestling Station

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WWE bold statement: If you are not a Batista, then GTFO!!

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LKP

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The complete wrestler should look like orton. He has a fab body, good mental attitude as of late and he can go int he ring. The batistas can GTFO.
 

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The complete wrestler should look like orton. He has a fab body, good mental attitude as of late and he can go int he ring.
Orton: did I just hear ya right? come to me cupcakes!
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I'm gonna have to agree with Nou, here. Wrestling is fake in the first place, why pussy foot around and try to debate as if size matters in who should win a fight in the first place?

Not to mention it doesn't even hold water in real life either. Two big examples are Joey Styles knocking JBL the fuck out, and Royce Gracie breaking the arm of a 300lbs MMA fighter in early UFC history.

Little guys beat the crap out of bigger guys all the time. It just depends on the fighter. Yeah they are in the minority of when it happens, but it happens. So being realistic or fake makes no relevance on whether Rey Mysterio should kick Khali in the face or not.