WS Mafia: Reloaded - GAME THREAD

[Odo]

Poyser already confirmed that he wouldn’t allow the strongman to be blocked, I asked him, so that’s debunked. Don’t believe me, check yourself

 

[Xenus]

Poyser already confirmed that he wouldn’t allow the strongman to be blocked, I asked him, so that’s debunked. Don’t believe me, check yourself

That's surprising, I would have expected a strongman to be able to be roleblocked. Regardless, it doesn't dilute the rest. Unless your case is that scum roleblocked me N1 over the people who have hard softed power roles (Jeff, Haza) and the one who actually did have a power role in Chris, which you haven't actually mentioned, I don't see what else there is.

A killing role was used on you and you did not die. In 99/100 times that is because you are scum.

 

[Odo]

If I asked that, you can assume scum knew that, correct?

 

[Odo]

You can’t simultaneously accuse me of being scum and ask why scum didn’t roleblock Chris instead

I don’t know what actually happened because there’s way too many unknowns, and this is working to the pretenders that your role is legitimate, which for the record, I don’t believe it is.

In a world where I flip town, do you believe you have plausible deniability, or should you be lynched next?

 

[Xenus]

If I asked that, you can assume scum knew that, correct?

Considering that I expect you to have asked that in the QT, yes, but for the purposes of your question on the assumption that you are, at the very least, not Mafia, it would depend completely on who is on the mafia team as to whether they have the nouse to ask the question.

Tell me, is your stance still that I'm scum faking info? If so and on the basis that you believe(d?) that Chris was the SK kill, do you think I'm scum pushing a lynch on you as the SK? I'm struggling to see my play here if I'm anything but town, because if I'm scum, I see no benefit to me pushing a lynch on the SK D2 if I know who he is, nor do I see any benefit to me as scum pushing a mislynch on town when I know that the suspicion is going to return 10 fold with me the following day having already claimed with no defence other than "oops"?

 

[RDK]

Vote odo!

 

[Odo]

I’m not pretending to have a handle on what happened. My assumption was that Chris would be blockable so I didnt see him as a priority kill for scum. He’s way more of a threat to a serial killer imo. However knowing he couldn’t be blocked or manipulated in any way changes that somewhat

Jeff and Haza did not hint at power roles. Haza refused to claim only as retribution for Jeff not claiming , I read jeffs refusal as him having some kind of negative role that it would be better to not have as public knowledge.

 

[Evans]

From memory Banez would always vote Magic with his first vote when he was town. Or is my meta way out of date? (Genuine question) Double voter doesn’t always mean town..

Which is why I said fair point. I'm going off a long time ago of course. I would never let a double voter live past POE, because they're too powerful for exactly the reasons you say. And I'm sorry to Banez, but if I was buddying, it wouldn't be to Banez, regardless of role.

Fair point, but if you're letting double voters live to end game here then it shows that people are being trash anyway.

Odo is really pushing this Tier 5 gimmick isn't he? Sure let's lynch the claimed DV with no case.

Flip flopping.

Why do people never listen to me

Skybox looks like shit also.

I'll go back and look at the Chris and Brutus wagons shortly, as well as the flip, but I'm liking Banez and Skybox FWIW. Skybox seemed to be coming up with content in the form of quoting readbacks (pet hate), but she's made some posts that make me lean more town toward her - anyone with knowledge of how Skybox was c.2018 (much better than 2012), is aware that this because a lot of the thoughts make no sense. No way does scumbox put themselves out there demanding a lynch on a claimed beloved townie. on D1.

Flip flopping.

Why are you wanting to lynch someone who claimed beloved townie?

Turned out to be scum, a wagon you actively avoided going onto.

Phenom is fine. It’s when he’s doing stuff you need to worry.

I’m happy with a Raikonnen/Jeff/Brutus approach right now. Liking Banez and tweets.

Happy with Brutus approach, yet you never voted him? And then you querying why someone wants to lynch beloved townie?

Flip flopping, 2012 GOAT era style it seems.

I don't back myself to be able to read Magic after so long, but I do know enough to know that he isn't Chimp. You can take that all the way to the bank.

Ok.

But then you say this:

Knowing Magic and the way he approaches games is different than being able to read Magic.'s alignment. Magic respects no one as either town or scum. He's the best, he knows he's the best and he could not give a shit about anyone else. He cares only about winning. Magic is also nuanced and subtle, he can push an agenda without going HeY YoU GUys I'M CHImP and tbhayley, Magic is the first person you'd try and recruit - just in case. Magic would back himself on that without feeling the need to hint - it's all about ego that he can, unfortunatley, back up.

Have you seen anything from Magic during your time playing with him (forgive me, I don't know who you are so I don't know how long you've been playing) that would tell you any different?

It has nothing to do with me being a skitzo, but this is not the time to talk about this yet. You can do what you need to do in terms of voting or targetting me, whatever you want to do and get all tunnelly, but when a line of questioning does not benefit town, it does not matter how much you push, I'm not going to answer it.

No it was willingly ignored.

These are the pertinent posts about vigging Chimp. I'm not a fan of anyone directing the Vig, but this is what it is. Useful to refer to if the Vig does decide to shoot Chimp and then we have a record of who said what when this was first suggested by Magic - this also backs up my point earlier btw with Magic not softing that he's chimp.

Can you explain how ignoring questions for reads on a player that looks scummy and you clearly didn't like directing the vig is beneficial for town please?



edit: Xenus is ignoring me

@Raidokken @Odo - please could you provide opinions? Am I just being shit or is there something here?

 

[RDK]

We are working on the assumption Odo didn't have protection right? I can go along with that for obvious reasons

 

[Odo]

Apparently so

 

[Xenus]

Flip flopping.





Flip flopping.



Turned out to be scum, a wagon you actively avoided going onto.



Happy with Brutus approach, yet you never voted him? And then you querying why someone wants to lynch beloved townie?

Flip flopping, 2012 GOAT era style it seems.




Ok.

But then you say this:










Can you explain how ignoring questions for reads on a player that looks scummy and you clearly didn't like directing the vig is beneficial for town please?

Please note my reads list. K thx.

You can park your vote on me for the rest of Day, I'm still not going to engage you.

 

[Odo]

Strange Xenus didn’t even consider that tho

 

[Xenus]

We are working on the assumption Odo didn't have protection right? I can go along with that for obvious reasons

With Phenom as confirmed town if anyone wants to claim protection for Odo then that's absolutely fine, because there's no accounting for WOAT usage.

 

[Big Man]

why isn’t Odo being protected by a town player being considered? there were players reading him town.

 

[Xenus]

Strange Xenus didn’t even consider that tho

We have a confirmed town and only one kill. What do you think happened?