Would a return of valets/managers help anyone get over?

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Remember when Christian had Trish as a manager? Or Carlito with Torrie? Marlena and Goldust? Sable and Marc Mero? Lita and the Hardys and later Edge? Melina and Nitro?

Sometimes it takes a little extra something to give these guys a push and create an interest in what they are doing. I think the only female being utilized in this capacity, that I have seen, is Serena. A lot of the divas aren't anything that is going to be missed in the ring, but I think some of them might be able to help the floundering guys in the mid-card get more heat, or the face equivalent.

Do you think that a lot of the guys who just can't seem to get over would benefit from an old school valet/manager?
 

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Well Masters is being managed by that one guy.. I mean Eve, which hasn't done much for him. Didn't do anything for Carlito either. Although Orton RKOing Stacy's dumb bitch ass to turn heel again was gold.
 

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Well Masters is being managed by that one guy.. I mean Eve, which hasn't done much for him. Didn't do anything for Carlito either. Although Orton RKOing Stacy's dumb bitch ass to turn heel again was gold.

I don't know so much if I would call that 'managing' since nobody gives a shit about either of them.

On a side note, do you remember when Jillian was involved with that angle with JBL? Jillian gets massive heat. Actually, I haven't seen her in a long time, was she let go or moved to ECW?
 

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Yeah, but she's more like a comedy character. If she came out singing like she does with someone like Ziggler, then I think it would trascend into the people just HATING her and taking the focus of the person, really. Idk where she is, doesn't make a big difference though, the singing thing was getting played out.
 

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In answer to your oringinal question, yes alot of superstars need managers to get them to that next level, take Shelton (why do I need to keep mentioning him) he has great ring skills but shabby promo. But most divas can't cut a promo themselves so I think they need to bring back the Paul Bearer type managers to get wrestlers over.
 

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There has to be some logic behind it though, I'm not a fan of just randomly sticking someone with arm candy. HHH and Steph worked for obvious reason, Edge and Lita the same. It really has to play into the story and actually mean something. Currently the only pairing I would possibly make is to just go with real life and try sticking Tiffany with Drew. I personally think Tiffany works extremely well in a power/talking role. I don't know if she's intentionally doing it but she sounds like everything she says she's saying completely matter of factly and slowing and dumbing it down. It really works for some reason.
 

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Remember when Christian had Trish as a manager? Or Carlito with Torrie? Marlena and Goldust? Sable and Marc Mero? Lita and the Hardys and later Edge? Melina and Nitro?

Sometimes it takes a little extra something to give these guys a push and create an interest in what they are doing. I think the only female being utilized in this capacity, that I have seen, is Serena. A lot of the divas aren't anything that is going to be missed in the ring, but I think some of them might be able to help the floundering guys in the mid-card get more heat, or the face equivalent.

Do you think that a lot of the guys who just can't seem to get over would benefit from an old school valet/manager?

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Not to be rude but, based on this and a few other threads you have made, what wrestling are you watching? Serena has done pretty much fuck all. No one even cares that she is there. Oh, wow, Punk got behind her and used her as a shield, SHE IS SO USEFUL. If she left, no one would give a shit. She isn't making any sort of impact whatsoever. She's just some bald bitch who makes stupid faces.

The time of valets/managers is done. They had great valets/managers in the past but they can't capture the same 'feeling', I guess you could call it. Maybe they can try out a few and hope for the best but I just don't think it would last long.

On top of that, why did you just mention women? Jimmy Hart and Bobby Heenan are two of the biggest managers ever. They had more of an impact than all the people you mentioned altogether.

Granted, I don't know how old you are and when you started wrestling so maybe you missed that time but those are the first names that come to mind, along with Elizabeth. Even Paul Bearer.
 

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Michelle Mccool would be perfect for that if she didnt have here hands filled with layla

Fuck Layla, she is really annoying, stick McCool on Ziggler and give them a feud with Drew&Tiffany but I can't see Drew turning face any time soon.
 
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Valets don't do much but add eye candy, or are an accessory to a wrestler's gimmick, like Baby Doll to Jimmy Garvin.

What ALOT of WWE wrestler's need are a mouthpiece manager like a Bobby Heenan or Jimmy Hart. Jerry Lawler would be of much better use as a mouthpiece for a heel than stinking up the commentator's table, Tazz working with Joe would be better than he making Don West sound like Gordon Solie and so forth. Most valets suck. They've got lips, tits, legs and ass, but that only goes so far. Hart and Heenan helped establish so many memorable workers in the day, as did Jim Cornette, Slick and others. Look at what Flair did for Batista and Orton. People are desensitized to divas anyway for them to be effective, especially since they usually suck more on the mic than the people they are there to get over, unless it's Vickie, she gets better heat than 90% of the E roster.
 

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Yes I do think that managers are needed for some pushes, but only for those who have no mic skills. People like Zeke Jackson, with his odd voice, need a manager. Edge didn't need a manager, neither did Carlito. For those who have great mic skills, a manager is just somebody who walks to the ring.
 

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There has to be some logic behind it though, I'm not a fan of just randomly sticking someone with arm candy. HHH and Steph worked for obvious reason, Edge and Lita the same. It really has to play into the story and actually mean something. Currently the only pairing I would possibly make is to just go with real life and try sticking Tiffany with Drew. I personally think Tiffany works extremely well in a power/talking role. I don't know if she's intentionally doing it but she sounds like everything she says she's saying completely matter of factly and slowing and dumbing it down. It really works for some reason.

Well I'm not saying that everyone should automatically be paired up with no rhyme or reason. Just that certain people might benefit from having someone on their side to act as a mouthpiece etc.


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Not to be rude but, based on this and a few other threads you have made, what wrestling are you watching? Serena has done pretty much fuck all. No one even cares that she is there. Oh, wow, Punk got behind her and used her as a shield, SHE IS SO USEFUL. If she left, no one would give a shit. She isn't making any sort of impact whatsoever. She's just some bald bitch who makes stupid faces.

Well I just had caught a piece of Smackdown where she was involved in the ring with Punk, and assumed that was what was going on. Should have researched it better.

The time of valets/managers is done. They had great valets/managers in the past but they can't capture the same 'feeling', I guess you could call it. Maybe they can try out a few and hope for the best but I just don't think it would last long.

It wouldn't have to last long. And while there isn't a lot of divas who could carry it off, it would have to be better to have them involved in some sort of storyline that would benefit somebody else, instead of just having them run rampant in the divas division, when nobody cares about that.

On top of that, why did you just mention women? Jimmy Hart and Bobby Heenan are two of the biggest managers ever. They had more of an impact than all the people you mentioned altogether.

Granted, I don't know how old you are and when you started wrestling so maybe you missed that time but those are the first names that come to mind, along with Elizabeth. Even Paul Bearer.

I'm trying to create discussions. I mean, I could go ahead and throw out names like Sherri Martel, Freddie Blassie, Paul Heyman along with others that have been mentioned, but then it wouldn't leave anything for anyone else to contribute to the thread.

Valets don't do much but add eye candy, or are an accessory to a wrestler's gimmick, like Baby Doll to Jimmy Garvin.

What ALOT of WWE wrestler's need are a mouthpiece manager like a Bobby Heenan or Jimmy Hart. Jerry Lawler would be of much better use as a mouthpiece for a heel than stinking up the commentator's table, Tazz working with Joe would be better than he making Don West sound like Gordon Solie and so forth. Most valets suck. They've got lips, tits, legs and ass, but that only goes so far. Hart and Heenan helped establish so many memorable workers in the day, as did Jim Cornette, Slick and others. Look at what Flair did for Batista and Orton. People are desensitized to divas anyway for them to be effective, especially since they usually suck more on the mic than the people they are there to get over, unless it's Vickie, she gets better heat than 90% of the E roster.

Well, the divas are already there as eye candy, so why not give them a useful role? Trish started out as eye candy, got some training. and that role ultimately lead to her being one of the most successful divas in the WWE.

I wasn't so much as just giving the nod to the divas, I think the majority of them are shit in the ring as well as outside of it. But there are those rare occasions when, if paired with the right person, good things happen.

Lawler, Tazz, any of the other examples by other people are great, but is there anyone in the WWE right now who is comparable to Heenan, Hart or any of the others? That's why I asked, if a return of 'good' managers' would be a wise thing to help some of the guys who can't seem to get a connection with the fans. I made some bad examples, but I thought it would go without having to be said that it wouldn't make sense to give someone a sucky manager to help them get over.
 

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I think it would actually be better to keep maybe a handful of these Divas (the ones who actually know how to wrestle) and get rid of the rest of them.

Back then, people had the same manager/valet for a really long time. It's kinda lame when the manager/valet only lasts for a short time and then moves on. That wrestler gets associated with that manager/valet and it makes it mean something (like Elizabeth and Macho Man). Whenever you think of Macho Man, you think of Elizabeth and vice versa. It shows that their pairing had an impact, as opposed to someone who takes on the role for a bit and moves on to someone else. It's great when you get a connection between a valet/manager and their wrestler instead of just tossing people around, you know what I mean? Macho Man and Elizabeth will always be remembered together and that shows the impact they made. With a pair like Eve and Masters, well, I don't think many people really care, nor will they ever make an impact. I personally don't think it's a bad pairing, they just need a little work. Both Masters and Eve don't fight that much so you don't really get to see them together often. They just show up together during dumb segments, for the most part.


I am by no means knocking your discussion here, I was always a fan of good managers/valets, I just don't think they can really get people together who will last or make any sort of impact like they used to. Some of the pairings people have mentioned here aren't bad ideas, it's just a matter of getting them to work and making it worth it and, especially with the terrible state of wrestling now, I doubt they can really pull it off and get all they can get out of it. I would hate to see more people get wasted.
 

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I think it would actually be better to keep maybe a handful of these Divas (the ones who actually know how to wrestle) and get rid of the rest of them.

What divas would you choose to keep?

Back then, people had the same manager/valet for a really long time. It's kinda lame when the manager/valet only lasts for a short time and then moves on. That wrestler gets associated with that manager/valet and it makes it mean something (like Elizabeth and Macho Man). Whenever you think of Macho Man, you think of Elizabeth and vice versa. It shows that their pairing had an impact, as opposed to someone who takes on the role for a bit and moves on to someone else. It's great when you get a connection between a valet/manager and their wrestler instead of just tossing people around, you know what I mean? Macho Man and Elizabeth will always be remembered together and that shows the impact they made. With a pair like Eve and Masters, well, I don't think many people really care, nor will they ever make an impact. I personally don't think it's a bad pairing, they just need a little work. Both Masters and Eve don't fight that much so you don't really get to see them together often. They just show up together during dumb segments, for the most part.

Well yeah, it helped because Savage and Elizabeth had a real life relationship.Triple H and Stephanie worked well for that reason too. That isn't always the case though, kind of like with Stone Cold and Debra. But it would only make sense to move them around if there was no connection between the manager/wrestler. Sticking with a bad pairing wouldn't make sense either. But how are they going to find out if it could work if they don't try?

I am by no means knocking your discussion here, I was always a fan of good managers/valets, I just don't think they can really get people together who will last or make any sort of impact like they used to. Some of the pairings people have mentioned here aren't bad ideas, it's just a matter of getting them to work and making it worth it and, especially with the terrible state of wrestling now, I doubt they can really pull it off and get all they can get out of it. I would hate to see more people get wasted.

A lot of the guys they have on the roster have tried various things that haven't worked for them, be it because of booking, stale feuds, bad writing, no mic skills, bad gimmick, mediocre wrestling ability. Giving it a go really wouldn't make them any worse off, right? Would Miz benefit any more or less from trying on a manager than he would by being teamed up with Show?