Would a return of valets/managers help anyone get over?

[He who knows more than Nation]

Lawler, Tazz, any of the other examples by other people are great, but is there anyone in the WWE right now who is comparable to Heenan, Hart or any of the others? That's why I asked, if a return of 'good' managers' would be a wise thing to help some of the guys who can't seem to get a connection with the fans. I made some bad examples, but I thought it would go without having to be said that it wouldn't make sense to give someone a sucky manager to help them get over.

If they let Lawler be Jerry Lawler he would be as good as Heenan. From 94-97 Lalwer was the best heel mic man in the world, better than Heenan by a wide margin. Anyone remember Lawler in the ECW-WWF feud? Awesome shit. Matt Stryker would be awesome also. Abe Washington, Vickie Guerrerro, and if Larry Sweeney wasn't a fucking loon, he'd be an asset to the E, too. Give Piper some work, he can work the stick better than 95% of the E roster at his age and senility. There are plenty of people who can be put in the role, it's just a matter of the E booking method being given an overhaul and some diversity, not relying on the same formula for every cat on the roster.

 

[LadyHotrod]

What divas would you choose to keep?

Beth for sure, Eve, Gail, Mickie, Natalya and Michelle, off the top of my head.

Well yeah, it helped because Savage and Elizabeth had a real life relationship.Triple H and Stephanie worked well for that reason too. That isn't always the case though, kind of like with Stone Cold and Debra. But it would only make sense to move them around if there was no connection between the manager/wrestler. Sticking with a bad pairing wouldn't make sense either. But how are they going to find out if it could work if they don't try?

I don't think having a real life relationship matters as much to it, personally, it's just chemistry between the manager/valet/wrestler in general. You could get totally random people, stick them together and have awesome chemistry or you could do the same thing and get awful chemistry. I think being in a real life relationship does make a bit of it a little more real and sincere but I think the same thing can be achieved between people who just met. If you get the right people together, it can happen. I could be incorrect here but I don't think HBK and Sherri had a real life relationship and they had great chemistry.

A lot of the guys they have on the roster have tried various things that haven't worked for them, be it because of booking, stale feuds, bad writing, no mic skills, bad gimmick, mediocre wrestling ability. Giving it a go really wouldn't make them any worse off, right? Would Miz benefit any more or less from trying on a manager than he would by being teamed up with Show?

I think the decisions here can kinda be made by the wrestler and how we know him/her. It seemed apparent right away that Show and Miz are a weird combination and the whole point of Miz and Morrison breaking up was so that they could build up some solo careers so it doesn't make much sense that Miz would be paired up with anyone, let alone Show.

I completely agree with you that you don't know until you try but I also think you can kinda get a 'sixth sense' with some of these guys and see that it wont really work because of factors like how different the wrestlers are. Taking again Eve and Masters, I personally feel the chemistry between them. They make a great couple but they don't get enough 'together' time so you don't get to see that chemistry grow.


Hope that made some sense, I'm kinda watching SD at the same time so my attention is going back and forth, lol.

 

[kingovkings]

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Not to be rude but, based on this and a few other threads you have made, what wrestling are you watching? Serena has done pretty much fuck all. No one even cares that she is there. Oh, wow, Punk got behind her and used her as a shield, SHE IS SO USEFUL. If she left, no one would give a shit. She isn't making any sort of impact whatsoever. She's just some bald bitch who makes stupid faces.

The time of valets/managers is done. They had great valets/managers in the past but they can't capture the same 'feeling', I guess you could call it. Maybe they can try out a few and hope for the best but I just don't think it would last long.

On top of that, why did you just mention women? Jimmy Hart and Bobby Heenan are two of the biggest managers ever. They had more of an impact than all the people you mentioned altogether.

Granted, I don't know how old you are and when you started wrestling so maybe you missed that time but those are the first names that come to mind, along with Elizabeth. Even Paul Bearer.

It's late here like 2.50 am im pretty drunk and tired and tired and really cant be arsed to start writing so here goes.

I gotta agree with every thing lady hot rod said simple as =].

 

[kingovkings]

Beth for sure, Eve, Gail, Mickie, Natalya and Michelle, off the top of my head.




I don't think having a real life relationship matters as much to it, personally, it's just chemistry between the manager/valet/wrestler in general. You could get totally random people, stick them together and have awesome chemistry or you could do the same thing and get awful chemistry. I think being in a real life relationship does make a bit of it a little more real and sincere but I think the same thing can be achieved between people who just met. If you get the right people together, it can happen. I could be incorrect here but I don't think HBK and Sherri had a real life relationship and they had great chemistry.




I think the decisions here can kinda be made by the wrestler and how we know him/her. It seemed apparent right away that Show and Miz are a weird combination and the whole point of Miz and Morrison breaking up was so that they could build up some solo careers so it doesn't make much sense that Miz would be paired up with anyone, let alone Show.

I completely agree with you that you don't know until you try but I also think you can kinda get a 'sixth sense' with some of these guys and see that it wont really work because of factors like how different the wrestlers are. Taking again Eve and Masters, I personally feel the chemistry between them. They make a great couple but they don't get enough 'together' time so you don't get to see that chemistry grow.


Hope that made some sense, I'm kinda watching SD at the same time so my attention is going back and forth, lol.[/QUOTE

AND that post too i agree wiv. SORRY 4 been lazy but hey i cant write at the best of times and she says what i wud av said but better

 

[Great One]

If they let Lawler be Jerry Lawler he would be as good as Heenan. From 94-97 Lalwer was the best heel mic man in the world, better than Heenan by a wide margin. Anyone remember Lawler in the ECW-WWF feud? Awesome shit. Matt Stryker would be awesome also. Abe Washington, Vickie Guerrerro, and if Larry Sweeney wasn't a fucking loon, he'd be an asset to the E, too. Give Piper some work, he can work the stick better than 95% of the E roster at his age and senility. There are plenty of people who can be put in the role, it's just a matter of the E booking method being given an overhaul and some diversity, not relying on the same formula for every cat on the roster.

Yep, I miss the days when King wasn't a piece of shit. Striker is indeed the man now, and I already mentioned Vickie earlier. Abe definitely has something going for him as well, we'll see how he ends up. Piper seems like such a better addition than Flair nowadays, since you can actually still understand what the fuck he's saying in his promos and they come off as clean and smooth as they always did. He should definitely be put in some type of manager or GM role, it'd be awesome.

 

[kimball99]

The art of a true manager/valet is all but lost now. The past bunch of years it's just been throwing a guy/girl in there to manage someone who have zero chemistry together. And watching the greatest managers dvd is sad when 95% of the ones they profiled wre from years ago. managers, along with solid tag teams, are all but gone.

On that note, I think a few could benefit if given the right person.

Chris Masters. They need to do an angle where he gets his vocal cords ripped out and needs someone, anyone, to do the speaking for him. This guy couldn't get over, as a heel or face, if he beat Undertaker at Wrestlemania for crepes sake.

Matt Hardy. Pretty much the same reasons as Masters, only Hardy is slighty over.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

^^^Masters' jiggly tits have more charisma than Hardy.

 

[LadyHotrod]

Fuck yeah to the people saying Piper. I didn't notice that being said earlier. I approve.

 

[Mike Chaos]

It would be nice if Piper did return and managed someone.. and did it correctly! Similar to when he returned to manage Sean O Haire which didn't last long anyway.

 

[Montana]

I think a lot of the "lost arts" of wresting is fading in the WWE. Much like tag teams, and managers some fundamental backbones of wrestling is fading. The wwe knows what brings in money, and ratings and sadly those do not.

Personally what i miss most is probably the big fued buildup/hype. Back in the day they would be setting up wrestlemania matches 6 months out. NOW, they are trying to do most of it in 4 weeks, with the exception of the rumble winner. To me, thats a very key part in what makes wrestling special. It's one of the reasons the attitude era was sucessful in my opinion. You wanted to see if Stone Cold was going to get his hands on Vince.

 

[xFrenchKissx]

^^^Masters' jiggly tits have more charisma than Hardy.

But Hardy is still more over than 'the pecs' Why do you think that is?

It would be nice if Piper did return and managed someone.. and did it correctly! Similar to when he returned to manage Sean O Haire which didn't last long anyway.

We all agree Piper would be a kick ass manager. Who would you think that would be the best suited to be managed by him?

I think a lot of the "lost arts" of wresting is fading in the WWE. Much like tag teams, and managers some fundamental backbones of wrestling is fading. The wwe knows what brings in money, and ratings and sadly those do not.

Let's not forget the cruiser weight division. And I don't think it is so much that those things don't bring money or ratings, because they have in the past. It's the fact that they don't put an iota of effort into building these things up so that people care about them at all.

Personally what i miss most is probably the big fued buildup/hype. Back in the day they would be setting up wrestlemania matches 6 months out. NOW, they are trying to do most of it in 4 weeks, with the exception of the rumble winner. To me, thats a very key part in what makes wrestling special. It's one of the reasons the attitude era was sucessful in my opinion. You wanted to see if Stone Cold was going to get his hands on Vince.

^ Agreed. I mentioned it before that there used to be legitimate hype leading into a match. Or not even a match, but the possibility of one. It was a big deal back in those days just to be in the running for number one contender. And not even for a main event title. I think this IS one of those things that may be a direct result of having a younger audience. Kids don't have a very long attention span, so if they aren't getting instant, or close to, results they won't be tuning in to watch.

 

[Great One]

I think a lot of the "lost arts" of wresting is fading in the WWE. Much like tag teams, and managers some fundamental backbones of wrestling is fading. The wwe knows what brings in money, and ratings and sadly those do not.

Personally what i miss most is probably the big fued buildup/hype. Back in the day they would be setting up wrestlemania matches 6 months out. NOW, they are trying to do most of it in 4 weeks, with the exception of the rumble winner. To me, thats a very key part in what makes wrestling special. It's one of the reasons the attitude era was sucessful in my opinion. You wanted to see if Stone Cold was going to get his hands on Vince.

Wat..? Edge/Jericho? 7 months in the making. HHH/Orton last year? Years in the making. Cena/Edge you could say the same, but it was gay. Even back then they just threw together shit for the money, Rock/Hogan? Same way, but it works. HHH/Cena worked because it was the biggest match possible.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

But Hardy is still more over than 'the pecs' Why do you think that is?

If people sitting on their hands during a Hardy match is more over, than I guess he is.

 

[the408kid]

How about Larry Sweeney for those of you who watch Ring Of Honor. He had a group called Sweet and Sour Inc. and he was a very charismatic on the mic he could definitely put someone over.