Jericho DID NOT carry Rey. At all. I'm not getting into to it, just don't care to, but Rey has NEVER been carried in anything. EVER. And if you think Jericho carried him, then you're over rating Jericho. Rey has been awesome, carried Morrison to the best match of Morrison's career and even gave Batista something to be proud about.
Who Is the Most Overrated Wrestler in the WWE
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@HTK. Glad you clarified that but I still disagree, well I suppose he hasn't been great as of late but mark my words this feud with Punk will bring the best out of Rey and I think it will will get him a push to possible world title run.
In the Jericho/Rey feud neither Rey not Jericho carried shit imo. They both were good in that feud imo. I am not going to get into the particulars of it because everything that has needed to be said has been said. I honestly am not a Rey fan and haven't been for a few years now. That however is not knocking his in-ring ability, I just don't care for his character, his character is one of the stalest in the WWE imo. Now I do admit that Rey isn't the same person he was earlier in his career but he is still pretty good.
Wow, I didn't realise IWF had such respect for Rey Mysterio, usually when I see Rey's name mentioned it is to say how much that person hates him because he is a little kiddy's favourite. I am some what pleased about this. Let the Rey love continue! 
Rey has been considered "overrated" for so long, that he's now underrated. Going back to 09's Elimination Chamber, Rey has been on fire in the ring. He was the MVP of that match (I believe it was the RAW chamber), he had great matches with Dolph, Jericho, Morrison, even Mike Knox! (NOTICE HOW MYSTERIO IS THE ONE CONSTANT IN ALL THE MATCHES!) and he's kept it going so far this year.
Is he the Rey of old? Hell no! Is he still pretty damn good? Definitely.
Is he the Rey of old? Hell no! Is he still pretty damn good? Definitely.
Rey/JoMo for the IC title was the match of 2009 imo but it would not get rated like that because there was no storyline, the match wasn't big enough and it wasn't at a PPV but as a wrestling match I'd have to say I prefered it to Undertaker/HBK.
I'm actually a fan of Mysterio's, I just don't think he's the best worker in the company. And my love for him is hindered for a couple of reasons.
A. I remember him in WCW and that guy craps all over WWE roided version.
B. He's getting close to 40 and his style throughout the years has taken a toll on his body and he's about 5 steps slower than he was before.
C. Between WCW and now, i've found wrestlers who really are as exciting and as good as Rey was. Compare those guys to Rey now and it isn't pretty.
I agree with Enzo about him carrying Morrison, but what did he do for Batista? He got squashed. I thought he deserved better than that, but that's how it went. My qualms about his feud with Y2J, he did everything I expected. Cut like 3 promos in 2 months, and wrestle Jericho. Jericho was on every week cutting solid (Not great) promos. He's the one that sold the storyline. Maybe i'm just not as high on that feud in particular as you guys. I like Rey, but i'm standing by him not being a top 5 worker in WWE.
A. I remember him in WCW and that guy craps all over WWE roided version.
B. He's getting close to 40 and his style throughout the years has taken a toll on his body and he's about 5 steps slower than he was before.
C. Between WCW and now, i've found wrestlers who really are as exciting and as good as Rey was. Compare those guys to Rey now and it isn't pretty.
I agree with Enzo about him carrying Morrison, but what did he do for Batista? He got squashed. I thought he deserved better than that, but that's how it went. My qualms about his feud with Y2J, he did everything I expected. Cut like 3 promos in 2 months, and wrestle Jericho. Jericho was on every week cutting solid (Not great) promos. He's the one that sold the storyline. Maybe i'm just not as high on that feud in particular as you guys. I like Rey, but i'm standing by him not being a top 5 worker in WWE.
Bottom line is that he's adapted his style, and no one in the 'E plays a better face in peril, uses hope spots and gets the crowd as involved in a match as he does. The amounts of moves he can still do, or how fast he can move is irrelevant. Honestly, I expected a less Blue post from you.
edit - not top 5 worker? Name five guys who go better than him in the ring, because the only one I could see being justifiable is Cena. As far as his promos go, you may not think much of them, but he still connects with the crowd, and that's what he's meant to be doing.
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James, his gimmick is that of the little guy underdog who uses high flying moves. Yes the amount of moves and how fast he moves matter, because he can't wrestle a technical match filled with in-ring psychology. Rey connects with the crowd because of his booking, just like Cena. Neither are top 5 workers. Rey's better than Cena though. I can name a ton of guys who if they had gotten Cena/Rey's push would be doing a better job than them, because they're better wrestlers at the core. (Not that I blame WWE for pushing them as they sell lots of merchandise.) Like I said, I believe overness should NOT be taken into consideration when judging wrestler quality in WWE because their audience only cares about W/L (besides squash matches, Big Zeke. >_>) and cool moves from faces. And how annoying heels are on the mic, not great wrestling matches.
Why is everyone so worked up about Rey taking steroids? It really isn't that much of a big deal.
Umm, he does wrestle matches with psychology. You don't need to be Kurt Angle, pretending to be a mat wrestler, to wrestle a great match with psychology (incidentally, Kurt Angle has SHITHOUSE psychology). It seems that you only think of him as a spot monkey which either indicates: a) you don't understand ring psychology, or b) you're just generalising him based on his size and tossing him in with the thousands of spot monkeys on the independent circuit.
He also connected with the crowd when in the cruiserweight division, which was in the midcard. It's not because he's pushed - he's pushed because he connects with the crowd. Cena was the same.
You were the one who brought up his mic skills, but now we're back to talking about wrestling matches strictly? Okay - Rey's the best in the WWE.
He's a spot monkey because of his moveset and gimmick, not just because of his size. There have been guys who use psychology and are Rey's size. Plenty in fact. :/ And Kurt is just a mat wrestler who is also a robot in that that's just his wrestling style, even if he takes the content of his feud out of his matches. I think by calling out Kurt, you don't understand ring psychology, not the other way around.
What was that, 2003? I thought we were talking about now. :/
His mic skills suck, the end. We talked about it. >_> Rey's an upper mid-card talent, not the best. But we're just starting to go around in circles there.
What was that, 2003? I thought we were talking about now. :/
His mic skills suck, the end. We talked about it. >_> Rey's an upper mid-card talent, not the best. But we're just starting to go around in circles there.
What? His moveset and gimmick have nothing to do with being a spot monkey. Spot monkeys are NOT guys who do flips - they're guys who do moves that have nothing to do with the match, make no sense and are there purely for the "that was a cool move" factor. Rey's moves DO make sense. Often he wrestles a bigger guy in which he has to outpace them and be quick. Springboarding back off the ropes is not merely a spot - it's a move that makes sense in context with the match.
Alright, I'll bite. Tell me the ring psychology of Kurt Angle's matches. The only time he ever uses any form of psychology is when he targets the leg, and that's the most basic psychology of them all. His matches involve no thinking, they involve no logic for the most part. His matches go as follows: a little mat wrestling that makes no difference to the rest of the story, and is just there to be cool (ie a spot). Nothing is ever followed up on it. A prime example would be his matches against Wolfe, where they just wrestle on the mat for the sake of it. Then he gets up and brawls a little. How does it fit in after the start of the match? It doesn't. Then we get the grand finale, where everyone hits a billion finishers, but they all result in kickouts and the crowd isn't shocked by the nearfalls, because we have all seen it two billion times. And you know what? Kurt uses this exact same style with every guy he steps into the ring with. It's rinse and repeat. He has no psychology, he has no versatility, he cannot adjust to different styles. He just goes out there and wrestles the same, basic, nonsensical match.
Yeah, Rey got over in the midcard, so he was then pushed after that. It's not like he's only over because they pushed him, which is what you were saying.
He connects with the crowd and he sells his story. That's what you're meant to do on the mic, so he's obviously doing something right.
You don't need technical skill to have psychology. You need to be able to work the crowd and have them into the match to build up your spots. His face in peril routine is supreme psychology, and it's not the way he's booked that makes it so effective, it's the way he works and his size. Cena and Rey are top 5 workers, you can have your opinion, but please put some substance to that.
And please name five guys better than Rey AND Cena, because honestly, the only names that even get close are HHH, Jericho and Taker. HBK would be on that list but he hung them up. Can't be Punk because he hasn't even had a truly great match in the E, Edge is close, but his best matches are always gimmick matches. Can't be Tista, his best matches have been against Cena, Taker and Trips. And then there's Orton, put what little psychology he has is due to the character he works and even at that, he doesn't have what Rey has. And there is no one in the midcard who can even come close to Rey's ability.So, and not trying to sound ugly, who would you put as top 5 workers with the ability to work a great match?
Mine:
Cena- not the best at selling, but is the best big match wrestler they have beyond a doubt
Jericho
Taker
Rey
HHH
BIG GAP
Orton
Edge
Punk
Christian
then there's a HUGE fall off between these guys and the midcarders