Where in the World is CM Punk?

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LATEST CM PUNK NEWS BLURBS:

- In probably the most 'silly' open job offer to CM Punk, Porn company, BRAZZERS, sent out the following tweet to him:

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Hey @CMPunk, since your no longer doing the wrestling thing...wanna do some porn? We can even listen to Minor Threat during the whole time.

- Over at BetweenTheRopes.com, Jim Cornette passed on his recent thoughts about the whole continuing Punk/WWE Situation with the following:

"I can totally identify with CM Punk. His body is beaten up, he's been on the road for ten years, he doesn't live big and I'm sure he's got more money than the federal government and he doesn't like what they're doing with him and he's just tired of the whole thing and he wants to go rest. And he said at a comic convention one of these days he's going to go buy a cabin in the middle of nowhere and we're never going to see him again. You know, I wish I could have been like that. I said I've made six-figure incomes most of the last 30 years but I never made a million dollars. And guys these days can make a million dollars. If I had made a million dollars in one year, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I'd be in the castle but no one would ever see me again. All in all, ****, Punk, good for you! Go home and don't come back until you want to. I love that. That is the greatest thing I've ever heard."

- As we've noted previously, CM Punk was scheduled to appear on Comedy Central's @Midnight next week. John Carr of PWInsider.com tweeted @Midnight host and friend of CM Punk, Chris Hardwick, and asked if Punk is still scheduled for an appearance and Hardwick replied, "it may not happen at this point."
 

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Those fans are not helping shit by hijacking the shows, chanting CM Punk and trying a JBL chant during a fucking Daniel Bryan match proves they are doing it because an actual crowd that cared did it first and everyone else is plying copycat. Fuck those fans.
 
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I'd say he was one-upping Rock (which he did amazingly) in their match to prove that Rock isn't worth dick in that ring.

And I'd also say, Punk has been extremely beat up for over a year, but we can shorten that a bit to when he put on one of the best matches of 2013 against Brock just a month after he and Jericho stole the show, just two months after he had the match of the year vs. Undertaker (fuck what the Slammy's said). Being injured/hurt/burnt out ties in perfectly with the timing of when he started mailing it in against the little guys.

Contracted to get Nash? I'm pretty sure there was this rumor that Punk tongue-in-cheek confirmed he was supposed to get the Ace storyline. He was also SUPPOSED to get Nash, but Hunter being the dick he is made it all about himself and it left Punk to have to wait for his match with Hunter, which didn't happen when, where, or how it should.

Yeah, I'm a Punk fan, and yeah, it's standard for Punk fans to blame Hunter, etc., but the writing is on the wall. Should Punk NOT want things to change? WWE keeps doing the same shit over and over expecting different results and they don't get them at all. It's the same thing every single time.

Ratings? Batista came back and WOMEN tuned in to see Batista. Since his return, his RATINGS have been nothing better than Dolph Ziggler (OMG PUT DOLPH IN THE MAIN EVENT WITH BATISTA AND ORTON AT MANIA BECAUSE HE HAS THE SAME VIEWERSHIP AS BIG DAVE!). And we keep talking about viewership? The only guys getting viewers are Paul Heyman, Brock Lesnar, CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, and John Cena. Other guys who gain have been involved in segments with those guys (tonnes tuned in to see Henry get demolished by Brock, tonnes tuned in to see CM Punk vs. The Shield).

And you keep talking about Punk the anti-machine prick... but taking it from various reports, a lot of people involved with WWE have a lower morale right now with Punk being gone because many genuinely looked at his as a leader, someone who would speak up for them. Is Punk a prick for walking out amid his bosses not being able to tell them whether or not they would be paid the same for PPV's now that they have the Network? I think Punk's smart enough to know more raw dollars come to the company per show, but WWE didn't outline how they will use those dollars. Is Punk a prick for walking out on WWE for constantly ignoring the live fans who react to Daniel Bryan over everyone and boo them for not getting the Mania match they want?

You know, there was a time when WWE/F used Mania's main event to push the guy the crowd was behind. Legitimately. It was the end for feuds... it was where THE GUY went over.

The whole match with H and the result stories are garbage. One report from Meltzer says the match was on and Punk didn't see it as a main match. The next from Meltzer says Punk was supposed to lose and he didn't like that. The next from Meltzer says the match was cancelled and it was given to Daniel Bryan.

Go back to that Punk interview saying guys don't know what they're going to do week-to-week anymore, have no direction. Yeah, during the Attitude Era that was cool... but the AE was also driven on the idea that if you got a reaction, you got more time and likely got pushed. Daniel Bryan is THE MOST OVER GUY on the entire roster with live crowds... when that was Cena in that spot, he was pushed to the moon. Batista? Same. Orton? Same. Brock? Same. Austin? Same. Rock? Same. Edge? Same. Undertaker? Same. The list goes on and on. And Bryan is already more over with most crowds than same of those guys ever were... and you ALL know I'm not exaggerating that.

So if Punk is burnt out, hurt, and unhappy with the way they're doing business (the business that has fans hijacking shows and getting so fed up that they're booing/ignoring EVERYONE but Daniel Bryan and the young guys who deserve it over the part timers and the rehashed to dust stories with Cena/Orton), fuck a contractual "obligation".

Also, the fact that Vince is trying his hardest to retain Punk says an awful lot about how much he really means and perhaps Vince realizes he truly did take Punk for granted (or someone else on his staff did since Vince/Punk have reportedly maintained a healthy business relationship for the past couple years).

Batista earned more stripes on a WWE roster to earn his stay at the top. He started as leviathian, went on to be deacon Batista, then the muscle of evolution, flairs partner, and fan interest and business pushed him to the seat. Cena went with the prototype gimmick in ovw, came up, got himself a shot at rapping from freestyling to Shane on a plane ride, got insanely over, dropped a record that went gold, and then doing business the likes of hulk and Austin do. Orton worked in ovw, nursed an injury he got because of an inherited deficiency, went on to prove himself with probably the best ic run of the millennium, and was given the world title (mostly to erase Brock) and he wouldn't go on to touch the belt afterward for years.
Bryan and Punk, as well as Dos Cara paid dues, sure. They didnt pay WWE dues at all, they got stacked resumes that looked better in their first three years then most guys full careers. They didn't even take a long time to touch world gold, headline brand shows, headline events, and hell Bryan basically got to skip fcw. Punk got protected by Heyman dating back to ovw as they admit his attitude would have got anyone else fired early, same way ADR has been in feuds with all big players his whole stay outside Sin Cara. They got a lot more handed to them early than Cena or Batista who you know actually had to get over and spike ratings and money to get the belt. It wasn't like they were buried as they have hall of fame resumes right now, if they retired tomorrow, they have hall of fame careers that could be held up vs anyone on paper

And yes I agree Bryan put in work. He's professional. He works hard. He never ducks up off screen. He is drug free. He is a good guy and he helped the process with his ring skills which are honestly the best since Benoit. Creative has had a hand in making him though. They've invested hours, angles, moments, and big names to get him to where he is. This isn't a 70/30 with Bryan pulling all the work, its damn close to 50/50 as he delivers always and they in turn put him in spots to deliver with the raw main events, SD main events, clean win over Cena, beating Orton clean, tapping hbk out, knocking hunter out as Trips doesn't let a guy just knock him out twice unless he's special, screen time with Vince and Steph, and a gang of tours and merch. They damn sure haven't put him in place to fail, you want to see them bury someone, look at Miz, Dolph, MVP, or Carlito as they can do it if they feel like it? Being fired for choking someone because you didn't know it was a rule isn't being buried, its just ignorance of the laws and mandates. They basically slapped him on the wrist because they had to and brought him back shortly

And he's supposed to be the top face, he is. There's no one getting more air time, not Cena and not Batista who has had a whole 10mins on raw in 3 weeks, while Bryan gets what a hour or more every week on screen? He's not the champ, but he's pretty much the top face or a damn near 1B in terms of screen time as he was getting more than Punk as well

Bryan and Punk (adr too) were lucky the roster was thin. They were desperate for top guys with Edge and HBK retiring, Mysterio hurt, Jeff leaving, and Taker/Hunter being part timers. They had much more depth and name value to overcome for Cena and Batista coming up on both brands and it wasn't a social media heavy age where they could self promote. They climbed the ranks and earned their stock as much as anyone. Attrition helped the fast tracking process and theres no way around it really, well that and Signature Pharmacy in the case of Punk

I'm just saying I hate it when people act like Punk or Bryan deserve much much better. Why can't booking get credit for allowing the pipebomb, for making Bryan an under dog. Vince had to sign off, Steph had to help construct some of it, and Hunter had to have a hand in it be it physically or behind scenes. I also hate the idea that Cena, Batista, and even Randy didn't earn their spots as they put in years of work in the developmental and on brands to get where they got, and easily in the case of Batista and Cena they spiked the business and were rewarded with one title and drew off their first reign on, as opposed to being an umpteenth time champ who still hasn't gotten it right.

Last thing, but it irks me to hear Triple H always get so much shit, not from you in particular but general. If hhh was a bitch like Punk was he would have walked out. He took oh so much **** to the point he was wrestling in it literally in hog pin matches nightly for the curtain call, as he talked about them making him do that match 9 straight times with live events. He got squashed so hard by warrior. He got squashed on the house show circuit over and over and he took it. He took it and stayed in shape, stayed out there and still tried to perform to his best abilities and not mail it in, and he honored his contract. He didn't walk away because oh I'm not main eventing mania, or oh I want attention and no one is paying it to me, he worked his way back literally. He worked his way to the top long before Steph. And then he drew, he sold, he's the only heel solo act to draw and draw on a scale globally that **** on guys like Bret on their own countries. And when the time came, it was him who went to creative and said we need to make new stars and picked Orton and Batista. It was him who tapped out to Benoit in the center of the ring at msg. Him who lost to Cena. Him who let Batista go over three straight ppvs. He was the guy who Jeff has admitted pushed wwe to trust him with a main event feud. He redesigned nxt, built the performance center, and so on. Has marrying Stephanie helped? Sure, but its already been said that many told him don't go that route, and he got his spot at the top before they ever hooked up
 

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Somebody tell the Flywalker to watch the booking of JYD, Savage, Tito Santana, Von Erich and every over baby face if the 80s and realize they were used as heat feud to get their respective heels over enough for Hogan. Or Mick Foleys entire face run in 98 and 00 when he was used to get Rock ready for Austin and Trips ready for Rock.......bigger picture try looking at it.
 

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And he's supposed to be the top face, he is. There's no one getting more air time, not Cena and not Batista who has had a whole 10mins on raw in 3 weeks, while Bryan gets what a hour or more every week on screen? He's not the champ, but he's pretty much the top face or a damn near 1B in terms of screen time as he was getting more than Punk as well

Bryan and Punk (adr too) were lucky the roster was thin. They were desperate for top guys with Edge and HBK retiring, Mysterio hurt, Jeff leaving, and Taker/Hunter being part timers. They had much more depth and name value to overcome for Cena and Batista coming up on both brands and it wasn't a social media heavy age where they could self promote. They climbed the ranks and earned their stock as much as anyone. Attrition helped the fast tracking process and theres no way around it really, well that and Signature Pharmacy in the case of Punk
First of all, I disagree that Punk "hasn't gotten it right" at all. Prior to Punk's lengthy reign, WWE was STILL passing the strap around at an alarming rate. You say Bryan/Punk were top guys because of TV time, but you're ignoring that TOP GUYS get top billing at Mania to headline FOR THE STRAP.

I didn't say Batista/Cena/Orton didn't pay their dues. Not even close. I'm more than aware of the path each of those men took, and YOU know I appreciate and like Big Dave. I also don't hold the ill-will towards Dave that many do... he is back for a damn-near full-time schedule, doing it the right way. But the fact of the matter is, WWE is making THE WWEWHC THE MAIN GOAL of everyone (as they should and anyone who says otherwise needs to stop watching immediately) but the problem with that is, all the guys busting their ass RIGHT NOW are getting shit on.

I mean, people say CM Punk never got over, but the only thing they ever use is the RAW ratings. Not the viewership, but the hourly ratings. I've already explained why Punk being on at 9 o'clock as champion was the dumbest thing ever, and then blaming HIM for the whole 9-10 hour when guys like Khali and Santino were on or divas during the worst period of "bathroom break" were getting their spot. You can also go back to people at almost every show talking about how Punk had the biggest pops and chants every night. Or how about the fact that he was #2 to only Cena (who is actually marketed) in merch sales and even outsold Rock's gear in months that Rock was actually around. Were the promos lacking? I'll be the first to say yes. The matches? They got bad over the last year. But Punk was over and people constantly act like he was nowhere near over. I mean, besides Rock/Cena and now Daniel Bryan, nobody else was getting mentions from sports, ESPN, and national news (count Brock in there if you want to, I wasn't ignoring him). Hell, THIS right here is a big deal, a week and a half later and nobody in the wrestling world can shutup about it and Punk is garnering attention from ALL OVER the entertainment world.

Somebody tell the Flywalker to watch the booking of JYD, Savage, Tito Santana, Von Erich and every over baby face if the 80s and realize they were used as heat feud to get their respective heels over enough for Hogan. Or Mick Foleys entire face run in 98 and 00 when he was used to get Rock ready for Austin and Trips ready for Rock.......bigger picture try looking at it.
Aside from Foley and Savage, you just put Bryan into horrible company. Bryan shouldn't be Foley or Savage either... he should be Cena. He should be Rock. He should be Austin. He should be Triple H.

Do you remember what happened to the WWE after Hogan? Ultimate Warrior vanished. Savage got hurt. Vince had Bret Hart. He got borderline lucky with HBK but crowds were still turning from his company to go watch WCW. Remember what happened after Austin/Rock? Yeah, they had Cena/Batista/Orton/Brock... but no stability. And Cena was involved in an awesome feud with Edge, but the COMPANY was in such a shitty state for a couple years that WWE literally accepted doing half as good as what the ratings were before. And every time Cena goes down, Vince panics. It's not that he doesn't have someone who can take over, nobody gets built up to be a legitimate guy... because all Vince wants is for them to Foley themselves out to Rock, Batista, Orton to get those guys ready to go down at the hands of Cena. Yeah, they didn't make Cena win his feud with Orton, but they realized Cena is the only guy who can legitimately get Bray over by freaking out the kids. It could have been Bryan, but fans don't want to see Bryan outside of the title picture right now... they want him IN the title picture, WITH the title, represented as THE GUY.
 

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If Bryan was THE GUY the people chanting his name wouldn't have abandoned him to chant the new internet trolljob of "we want punk".
 

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LATEST CM PUNK NEWS BLURBS:
- In probably the most 'silly' open job offer to CM Punk, Porn company, BRAZZERS, sent out the following tweet to him:
Brazzers @Brazzers
Hey @CMPunk, since your no longer doing the wrestling thing...wanna do some porn? We can even listen to Minor Threat during the whole time.

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Shame he wouldn't do it :(
 

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Deezy please wait a couple more weeks before you use that argument because that Nebraska crowd was one of the worst in history and tried to troll everything with failing results.
 

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Crowds tend to copy, these troll crowds are slowly becoming a nuisance, the worst part is people thinking it's them voicing their displeasure at the product. No, it's just those people who go to comedy shows to heckle and throw shit at the musicians. WWE would kill that shit by actually doing what comedians and bands do, throw those fuckers out or actually cancel the show.
 

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Not saying they won't continue the "We want Punk" chants but it won't take away from anything to do with Bryan. That shitty Omaha crowd was still loud as fuck for him in the opening promo and pretty decent during the main event.

Was one of the shittier crowds in recent memory though.
 

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Oh, and as far as draw and ratings and marketability?

Cena runs the pack selling merch... by a lot (the distribution to K-Mart gets recorded as sales for WWE, so Cena got a huge boost from that). Punk is 2nd, BY A LOT, and is first BY A LOT on WWE Shop. Bryan currently rolls in at 4th, surprisingly, with his goat t-shirt doing great.

Draw? Cena and Punk are the hottest-sellers in the arenas at 1 and 2 and these numbers are closer.

Already explained ratings. Punk among the highest viewed per segment.
 

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What its worth merch list.

Cena by large lead at one, Punk at 2 with gap, Rey at 3, Bryan at 4, and a shitload of Sin Cara and Warrior material being moved according to the WO Newsletter
 

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What its worth merch list.

Cena by large lead at one, Punk at 2 with gap, Rey at 3, Bryan at 4, and a shitload of Sin Cara and Warrior material being moved according to the WO Newsletter
Warrior stuff is expected to be moved though. It's like the Macho stuff... the numbers for those shirts were ridiculous when they first released. A lot of the Warrior stuff is cool as Hell too. Gotta expect Rey and Cara getting sales though. Kids love masks. But the point is, Punk has been holding his own in merch with those guys (and it was reported as more than just a 'gap') and that's not something that someone who isn't over does consistently (3 years in a row now, as the New Nexus shirts sold well too). I know YOU specifically don't say Punk isn't over... but that seems to be a very common talking point for most of these mouthbreathers.
 

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We've never said Punk wasn't over.....just said he doesn't move the needle.
 

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Never once said he wasn't over. I said he's not highly watched or a house show/ppv draw. He pushes merch out his butt, always has. He just doesn't draw on TV, Mizs reign and whole stick with Lawler for example did better numbers viewership wise. He and Bryan didnt pop the ppv needle with the pipe bomb or being screwed like when Batista and Cena popped it on single brand ppvs. And Orton led tours as Meltzer has already discussed still out draws the Bryan and Punk led tours even when Cena was out. He can move merch, he can put on a great match and effort with top guys, and he can talk. Never said different, but stick to he has an ego and he isn't making or breaking them by leaving unlike years ago as the company is in a better spot