We can start kissing that match goodbye

[xtremebadass]

Looks like those rumors of Undertaker vs. Triple H are true then.

Remember last time in Houston at WMX-Seven, it was HHH vs. Taker, so this is the long awaited rematch? ...I guess.

It really doesn't satisfy me at all. However, a HBK vs. JBL might be a surprise and turn out to be a great match in the end, this storyline could go places. I love huge storylines that aren't homosexual with midgets, celebrities, Trump's hair, or heavy McMahon influence. This is going to be great.

 

[Axis]

A bit of forum ethics please Axis - that way, you are not subjected to your own case of flaming, and instead get a decent argument. Opening your post with "Soooooo many stupid things said in this thread" is inappropriate.

So - the match in England was just a one-off thing?

It was likely an attempt to grasp at straws.

And thank you for your lesson on forum ethics. I'll be sure to take it into consideration the next time I come across idiotic posts. Perhaps I'll be softer; wouldn't want to hurt your feelings.

 

[xtremebadass]

I actually think HBK and JBL would match up well. JBL would have power spots and Shawn would fill the agile spots. They would match up well in addition to the annual HBK moonsault off the second rope onto the announce table, it will be good. This could be JBL's best match since his Last Man Standing with Cena in 2005.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

Shawn carried Ric Flair?! Hah! Do you know WHY that match is considered a five-star bout, or do you just accept what Dave Meltzer tells you? That match was all about the story and the emotion. Flair played just as big a role, if not a bigger one, as Shawn Michaels.

Even being all about the story and emotion, name me one other match from 2007 or 2008 Flair competed in that wasn't full of botches besides this one. It was all about the emotion, but it terms of the actual wrestling, Michaels did all the hard yards. Carried is a bit over the top though, what I was trying to say was HBK can pull a great match out of anyone.

A "good" match isn't one that belongs at WrestleMania, particularly if it involves Shawn Michaels. The WWE went for a "good" match in Undertaker vs Mark Henry a few years ago and they completely missed the boat. People like Michaels, Taker, Triple H, and Cena should be in GREAT matches.

Shawn is always in great matches, I said could because not everybody can put on a 'great' match. ie. Khali

Bullshit. Kayfabe is fun, but we all know that Shawn Michaels receives PLENTY of compensation from the WWE. He will NEVER be another veteran that "hobbles into high school gyms." He could likely go to any independent promotion and get a quick 10k-15k for a single match.

Firstly, there's tonnes of little marks out there who don't. And secondly, I never said I did believe him, I said he was convincing and it was possible.

Don't even get me started on that ladder match, which was probably the most overrated match of 2008. The feud is over, which is VERY upsetting, as it easily could have gone to WrestleMania. They rushed the program and ruined the possibility of an epic WrestleMania match.

Rushed? The feud went on for 6 months. For this day and age, that's a helluva long time and it was hardly rushed. If it was rushed, we would've seen HBK vs Y2J at Backlash, JD and then it culminate at ONS. The feud was ended at the right time, before the WWE could try to drag it out and ruin it.

 

[Axis]

Even being all about the story and emotion, name me one other match from 2007 or 2008 Flair competed in that wasn't full of botches besides this one. It was all about the emotion, but it terms of the actual wrestling, Michaels did all the hard yards. Carried is a bit over the top though, what I was trying to say was HBK can pull a great match out of anyone.

Flair's previous matches are irrelevant. For many years Flair was put in matches against Carlito, Benjamin, etc that had little room to build a story. When he WAS put in matches with a solid story behind them (specifically versus Triple H comes to mind), he excelled.

Shawn is always in great matches, I said could because not everybody can put on a 'great' match. ie. Khali

Yeah but even Michaels vs JBL would likely not be a "great match." There isn't much of a story to tell WITHIN the ring. It is likely that if the match were to take place, Michaels would have already broken free from JBL, so it would just be a typical grudge match with not much in-ring storytelling. Going back to Michaels/Flair, the epicness came from the storytelling IN the ring, not so much the promos leading up (which were important as well).

Firstly, there's tonnes of little marks out there who don't. And secondly, I never said I did believe him, I said he was convincing and it was possible.

I would usually agree with that. However, here is my problem with that logic. The people who KNOW about the veterans who wrestle at high school are likely the ones who know that Michaels isn't exactly working paycheck to paycheck.

Rushed? The feud went on for 6 months. For this day and age, that's a helluva long time and it was hardly rushed. If it was rushed, we would've seen HBK vs Y2J at Backlash, JD and then it culminate at ONS. The feud was ended at the right time, before the WWE could try to drag it out and ruin it.

This is another topic for another time, but I firmly believe this was rushed. They were building it slow and then ended it all of a sudden. One week Michaels was leaving the business, and the next he was challenging Jericho in a ladder match (in which he all but ignored the fact that his eye was supposedly non-functioning). Michaels certainly should have sold his leaving the business longer and left for a short period of time. But they turned a potentially epic feud into just another WWE program. It really is a shame.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

Flair's previous matches are irrelevant. For many years Flair was put in matches against Carlito, Benjamin, etc that had little room to build a story. When he WAS put in matches with a solid story behind them (specifically versus Triple H comes to mind), he excelled.

Fair enough there, you've got a point. Just trying to show HBK brings out the best in almost everyone.

Yeah but even Michaels vs JBL would likely not be a "great match." There isn't much of a story to tell WITHIN the ring. It is likely that if the match were to take place, Michaels would have already broken free from JBL, so it would just be a typical grudge match with not much in-ring storytelling. Going back to Michaels/Flair, the epicness came from the storytelling IN the ring, not so much the promos leading up (which were important as well).

We can hardly judge that now. The storyline is only just beginning to unfold, there's no way of telling how it will have developed by 'Mania

I would usually agree with that. However, here is my problem with that logic. The people who KNOW about the veterans who wrestle at high school are likely the ones who know that Michaels isn't exactly working paycheck to paycheck./QUOTE]
Which is why I initially thought this was a horrible idea. But that's why they've had Michaels reiterate how he was tossing money around, had to pay for all his surgeries, looking after his extended family, which of course most of the smeep will scoff at, but for the average mark/semi-mark, they'd be lapping it up.

This is another topic for another time, but I firmly believe this was rushed. They were building it slow and then ended it all of a sudden. One week Michaels was leaving the business, and the next he was challenging Jericho in a ladder match (in which he all but ignored the fact that his eye was supposedly non-functioning). Michaels certainly should have sold his leaving the business longer and left for a short period of time. But they turned a potentially epic feud into just another WWE program. It really is a shame.

Agree there, in the end it was rushed a bit I suppose. They could've left the match off the card at Unforgiven to add more hype to the collision at No Mercy imo.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

I actually think until Unforgiven they did alright. The Unsanctioned Match made sense. What made no sense, even though it was an epic match, was their Ladder Match. HBK could have been kept out of action for a few months,then brought back to challenge Y2J. Hell, that should have been the main event for CS, with the fans choosing how HBK destroys Y2J.

However I don't think at any point they could have stretched this feud all the way to Mania.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

The only way is HBK gets 'injured' by Jericho after their Ladder match and returns at the Rumble.

 

[HBK-aholic]

I really dislike this feud between Shawn and JBL. JBL wanted HBK to come and work for him; insinuating HBK was struggling financially, and playing on Shawn's love for his family. But are we really supposed to believe the man we've seen headlining Wrestlemanias and tearing the house down every night has no money? Nothing in a bank, or no other skills? This is going too far for the WWE, and I think most fans will find this a stupid concept to grasp.

People have recently started calling HBK 'boring'. Do you wonder why, when this is the most recent of his angles? To stand in the ring and cry? People want the old HBK back, the flamboyant excited man everyone loved. Instead we have this broken shell of a man who's acting cowardly. if this is the way Vince is going to go with HBK from now on, it's stupid. It doesn't suit him.

I don't think this feud could evber work out properly, however it's even worse when you see that it's JBl and Shawn. JBL is one of the most boring men on the mic ever. He just has no emotion in his voice at all. When I was watching Raw I was just thinking about how boring he sounded, how I'd have probably been a sleep if I had to listen to it much more.

I was also looking forward to HBK Vs Morrison, which would be great for both of them. Who's benefitting from HBK/JBL really? Shawn is one of the best in the ring, and right now he's supposed to be helping the talent of the future become as good as him. Not crying in the ring over someone such as JBL.

I also wanted Undertaker/Shawn at Wrestlemania. I think this could still work, if the JBL feud finished by The Royal Rumble, and nothing happens with Morrison. Shawn and The Undertaker are 2 of the best, and have been there the longest. And while this has been teased, we've never had a real feud with real matches. I'm sure people will direct me to The hell in a cell, but that wasn't a real match, and with the interference of Kane we can't call it either way.

 

[Kizza]

HBK vs JBL could be good, Shawn carried Flair to a ***** match last year, I think if Bradshaw was motivated they could steal the show.

That being said, nothing, except for some miraculous Bret/Austin/Rock return, could top Shawn facing Taker. Saving it for their last Wrestlemania is a baddd, badd idea. This could be the final chance they get, Michaels and Taker are both getting old and injury prone, the window could shut by the time WM 26 rolls around.

The match itself was pretty bad, but it was the emotion that made it "five stars"

 

[LadyHotrod]

JBL and HBK would be boring as heck. JBL is boring as it is. Putting him in a match against HBK wont make him more interesting by any means. I don't think it would get many ratings.

I don't think anyone is a good match for JBL......He's just one of those wrestlers whom everyone wishes would just go away.

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

Let me tell you something. Most people are actually buying the HBK is broke angle. Yeah, of course MOST of the IWC won't, because it's obvious he isnt, but I cant count how many people on my stream during Armageddon were buying the thing, and I cant count how many frieds have discussed with me the fact that HBK is broke.


Anyways, JBL, imo, is far from boring. The problem is, with his brawling style, you can't put him in the ring with someone that has the same style. Brawl vs brawl SUCKS. See Batista vs JBL or John Cena vs JBL, without the hardcore stips both matches bring me to sleep. But give me someone whose style contrasts JBL, like Y2J, Rey Mysterio, and their matches before more interesting.

 

[Evil Austin]

I agree with what CMS had said above, JBL has the microphone skills and the brawling and hardcore weapon match skills ie, parking lot brawl type things but put him up against a contrasting style then it would be interesting. Him vs. HBK would actually be a match I would like to see, though I don't think that it would be match of the night. It would be good but not main event worthy maybe though if the storyline put a great deal of emotion behind it.

That's why the flair / hbk match was given more stars then it was actually worth because of the emotion behind it made it more watchable.

And then again I have never seen either man go at it with each other and it could turn out to be a total dissaster people say that HBK can carry anoyone in any sort of match but I don't feel that is true HBK is so good in a high profile match that it would make JBL look worse then what he already is...

So to be honest with me this match would go either way I am not excited nor dissapointed with the storyline so far just intrigued.

 

[ThePlumber702]

i didn't think it was gonna happen anyway i don't think taker would want his last match ever to be against HBK...the guy is notorious for not wanting to do what is suppose to be done and taker doesn't take kindly to that crap... im pretty sure with the history the phenom has with wwf/e they would let him pick his final opponant like they did flair... and i have a hard time believing that he would pick HBK

 

[The Rated R CMStar]

i didn't think it was gonna happen anyway i don't think taker would want his last match ever to be against HBK...the guy is notorious for not wanting to do what is suppose to be done and taker doesn't take kindly to that crap... im pretty sure with the history the phenom has with wwf/e they would let him pick his final opponant like they did flair... and i have a hard time believing that he would pick HBK

Yeah, when was that, in 1998.

Tbf, he hasnt done that since Hogan vs HBK, and there he had a reason to do so.


But you got me curious, who would Taker pick to be his final opponent?