Vince's love-hate relationship on the divas

[phantomgerald]

no he wouldn't. some tna fans don't watch ROH and would have no idea who he is

 

[C4]

Joe is definatly championship material and if he wasnt in ROH when he was unbeaten in tna then would have give him the NWA heavweight title instead of the x division IMO

EXACTLY!!! I was watching a video from "Truthslayer" yesterday and he explains how you book Joe's title run so it wont get stale.

He said get him before he wins the title to do a shoot promo, about how he went unnoticed and rip on guys like Cage, Angle how they got a title shots when they first joined and he was undefeated and didn't get a title shot. Then let joe be joe a which means let him be a tweener. So therefore if its a heel let him be a superface or when hes against a face let him be heelish.
I think it's a great way to book joe.

They should look forward to pushing Samoa Joe as TNA champion, and making Christopher Daniels main event threat...I think TNA should bring Hulk Hogan in if they have the chance, at least to make an appearance or something. As much as most of us hate Hogan, he wouldn't help the quality of TNA, but lets face it when Hogan makes moves people watch...I don't want Hogan on the roster, but an appearance wouldn't hurt.

Why are these people after Samoa Joe so much? I agree that he is a good Wrestler and has got skills, but just look at his figure and I doubt that Samoa Joe can be Champion for long.
He is just not Championship Material.
He was a Mid-Carder, he is and he will be.
He can have all the Main Events he wants but Samoa Joe as TNA World Heavyweight Champion? Dude! You gotta be kidding.
Give me 5 good Reasons why Joe should be TNA World Champion.

 

[The Ripper]

sorry i made a mistake its suppose to say if he wasnt in roh when he was going unbeating in TNA, TNA would have giving him the belt because he was just on there show

 

[greennoodles]

Its Joes belt, he just lets other people wear it

 

[PHX]

Source: Nodq.com

- It's said that Vince McMahon has developed a love-hate relationship with the WWE Divas. The mentality is that both RAW and SmackDown have to have one segment with the Divas. Vince is convinced that Divas segment is needed because it draws in a certain demographic.

When the Divas segments and matches are actually going on, it's said that Vince feels they are a waste of time. This is part of the reason he has Michael Cole act the way he does when the Divas are out.

Could easily not make it a waste of time if the ones who can really go out there get a chance to have a good match.

 

[Kiffy Lube]

I like the way Michael Cole acts during them.

 

[Dale]

They are a waste of time becaues they obviously don't give two shits about them. The amount of actual talented women has been going down and down with every year that passes. They had a good opportunity to pull the trigger with Beth & Nattie around the time that Punk was doing his shoots, but they totally killed that whole angle. We're now left with them doing nothing of interest against the bland sidekick in Eve and Kelly Kelly who i'm supposed to buy into having a new found aggressive side because she now screams extra loud while pulling her opponents hair. The division is a total bust and will continue being a bust until they hire some actual new TALENT (not happening) Kong returns (many months away) or they do a Beth / Nattie feud which again won't happen for many months yet.

 

[rhetts jetski]

I still remember marking like a bitch during Lita/Trish in the Raw main event in 2004. Such an amazing feeling.

Don't think I'll ever feel that way about divas matches in WWE again and thats a shame.

 

[jamie]

Even the owner hates them.... so why do they even happen? lol

 

[Onyx]

I think this is ignorance on Vince's part. If Vince actually let some real Female Wrestlers into the WWE, and let more of the current WWE Divas wrestle, it wouldn't be as boring I'm sure. Because instead, every week, we see the same damn divas wrestle every week. And it gets old and boring. Sure Kelly Kelly & Eve are attractive. But let AJ, Alicia Fox, Tamina, Maxine, Aksana, etc perform. I do get tired of seeing Kelly Kelly & Eve vs. Natalya & Beth Phoenix every bloody week on RAW. And I bet it's going to be the same damn thing this upcoming RAW.

 

[Kingslayer]

WHAT fucking demographic is there for the divas segments? People that already took a piss when Cena came out at the beginning of the show? There's no fucking demographic, nobody cares about the divas. It's the one part of the show that you could completely erase and almost nobody would even notice it was gone. And I love how the report states that Vince feels that divas segments are needed because they draw a certain demographic, and yet they're a waste of time? How can that be? It's one or the other, and it's clearly that they're a waste of time. I don't think that's it at all. I've said for ages that the only reason the divas are around is because if they weren't, Vince would have a bunch of womens rights groups on his ass about not giving them a piece of the show. And it's sad that that's what it all comes down to, there is no reason why they should be given a spot on tv. They waste everyone's time and have for as long as they've been around.

 

[Onyx]

WHAT fucking demographic is there for the divas segments? People that already took a piss when Cena came out at the beginning of the show? There's no fucking demographic, nobody cares about the divas. It's the one part of the show that you could completely erase and almost nobody would even notice it was gone. And I love how the report states that Vince feels that divas segments are needed because they draw a certain demographic, and yet they're a waste of time? How can that be? It's one or the other, and it's clearly that they're a waste of time. I don't think that's it at all. I've said for ages that the only reason the divas are around is because if they weren't, Vince would have a bunch of womens rights groups on his ass about not giving them a piece of the show. And it's sad that that's what it all comes down to, there is no reason why they should be given a spot on tv. They waste everyone's time and have for as long as they've been around.

I agree with you on a couple of things, but I must quote and say, that most of what you said is pretty ignorant. I will agree with you, that the current WWE Divas Division is rubbish and there is no point to it. And I would also agree that if they erased the Divas segments on RAW, they I probably won't notice too much until probably around the ending of the show. But I will disagree and say that the Divas Division in the WWF/WWE wasn't always as lame and boring as it is now. But I can obviously see that you personally never liked the Divas Division in the WWE. Which is fine of course, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But I will NOT have you speak for the rest of us and say "nobody ever likes the divas" because I do. I like the Divas in many ways of course. I just do not like how WWE is utilizing them currently. Back in the Attitude Era and early Ruthless Aggression Era, the Divas Division wasn't doing half bad in my opinion. I just think they need to hire the right divas, and utilize them better than they have been doing for the past few years. So on the most part, I would have to disagree with you.

 

[PHX]

The demographic they cover is the women demographic obviously from grown women to little girls. Think it's some sexest shit to flatout not give them a chance just because they're women. If given the proper chance they can make themselves as interesting as the guys but you can only do so much with a basic segment that last a minute with a 3 or 5 minute match if you're lucky.

 

[Defiant]

The Divas could be infinitely better if WWE would help them rather than just give them five minutes of air time and just let whatever happens happen and no real growth gets to take place. Kelly's been on the roster for like six years now and I see zero improvement (she couldn't even striptease any well on ECW). Look at Trish Stratus. When she first started she was pretty much what Kaitlyn is in the ring now (who I think has only started wrestling last year, give the girl a break), she was completely wooden in all areas and totally forgettable. But she was given plenty of airtime throughout her career, got the chance to show what she could do in a variety of storylines and on-screen roles, and as the years rolled on we could actually see the improvement taking place before our eyes, and she eventually became THE Diva of the last decade. She even seemed pretty confident in her charisma and mic skills.

Imagine how far some of these current "lesser" Divas could go if Vince gave even one of them the same support he did with Trish. A lot of them definately have the good looks (Layla, Kaitlyn), some of them have the charisma (Maryse, the Bellas), and some are just unique enough in their own way that deserves attention (Kharma, AJ). And shit, Nattie and Beth pretty much have all the pieces put together already, so there's no excuse for them to go to waste at all. Turning a blind eye to them because they aren't already developed enough to be entertaining is absurd when they all know they COULD be with a little support. Its not an easy business.

And if I had to guess, there's probably more female viewers now than ever so there's definately reason for the Divas to get airtime. No wonder the most fun they can have during a show is coo at Orton in all his baby oiled glory, or squeal when Cena takes his shirt off.

Point is, we know the Divas potentially CAN draw. Trish and Lita main eventing Raw a few years ago was not only refreshing, but a pretty fucking awesome match.

 

[Defiant]

Just another thing, I think the closest we've come to any kind of Diva push since Trish retired is Michelle McCool. Hell I actually HATED her for most of her WWE run but I LOVED her and Layla in Flawless. I would never have been able to warm up to those two if Vince hadn't given them a gimmick they could work with, regular air time and actual fueds. And that's a very recent example. IT CAN BE DONE!