Vince: Fans Didnt Buy The Attractions of SummerSlam 13

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Here's a thought.

Turn Cena he'll probably do just as well as a heel. Hell turning him heel at this point would be an accomplishment in itself.

Then you have DB be that guy all the kids love. His character is right there with it now anyway. So push him over the kiddy ledge. Have him be the huge Face get him some merch, probably goat shit. Probably be able to get his bella some love with the right marketing in relation to it. Does he draw this way? Maybe a bit more than he is now cause the kiddies will be bitching to mom and dad about how they want his shit. Just like they do with Cena. He needs something he can market.
Why would you turn your only truly over face? The face that got you sponsors. The face of make a wish. The face of the cancer drive. The guy who draws the viewers. The guy who sees grown men buy his stuff for either themselves or their girls and kid. The guy that sells ppv.the guy that flips DVDs like free hot cakes. The guy who busts his ass to come back. Guy with no strikes. Guy who has never had a bad autograph section or or event. The guy who works 77 days straight without a break for the company.

by any means turning Cena in the hopes that these fuckers who aren't bought as a face is so dangerous its silly when you're breaking records and getting good press all with Cena as the face. There's just aren't enough full time draws to offset possible losses.

Hell lets be real here, there aren't enough full time professionals at all to carry the burdens Cena carry as ambassador. Punk is way too much of a dick, Ryback is in trouble for it, Dolph bitches when shit goes sideways, and so on.

to be blunt Cena is the face because there is no other face like him. Its easy to see why he is at where he is at and why he will break Flairs record to go down in history as a thank you from wwe
 
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Hell lets be real here, there aren't enough full time professionals at all to carry the burdens Cena carry as ambassador. Punk is way too much of a dick, Ryback is in trouble for it, Dolph bitches when shit goes sideways, and so on.

Only person who I think does really well as Cena's second ambassador is Sheamus.

Apparently The Miz is really good at all of that as well, but his face gimmick isn't working, they need to make him a Jericho wise cracking face for him to be more successful imo but that's another story entirely.
 

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You know what never mind. Just keep drinking the kool aid. John Cena is a god and every other guy is shit.
 

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You know what never mind. Just keep drinking the kool aid. John Cena is a god and every other guy is shit.
Is not koolaid, its truth. Drinking koolaid is thinking the summer of punk mattered, that the 400 day reign did anything for a business when it doesn't increase attendance. Drinking koolaid is thinking Bryan matters because a whole arena chants yes while not buying his gear, flipping the channel on him on raw, or not coming to the sd shows he's advertised at.

Let's go to real world. There's one guy who was recently added all SDs and as such ticket sales have gone up by how name alone, same with the viewership and social media score. There's one guy who sells out arenas around the world as a full timer. Yes he gets Cena sucks chants, but I got news for you unlike people chanting CM Punk or Yes or Orton, they actually pay for Cena. They watch his segments, they set revenue records for manias he headlines, they buy his merch, they buy his tickets, and it's not just the kids and girls, but the same boyfriends, husbands, and fathers who hate on him come out of wallet for the Cena experience. Unlike the popular favors of the month who get cheered for or pops, Cena actually gets ppv buys and guys who aren't too cool to wear his stuff. Cena actually gets studios like HB call wwe up and say hey can we animate Cena into Flintstones and. Scooby Doo films. Cena is the guy who makes the. Jericho of the world look like jokes with a hobby when their music gets pumped up on TV and by the company yet doesn't sell while he drops a gold cd effortlessly. Cena the ambassador makes more wishes, works more days, comes back hurt sooner, and never fucks up in the press than the other apart of the roster. Forbes themselves cited Cena the brand and star as part of the reason wwe is generating so much and why they are looking at Nascar money, talking billions of dollars in their next TV deal because of how he has been at the forefront as the face of their social media, charity, TV, merchandising, live event, and sponsorship campaigns.

It is not koolaid at all. Cena is outright better at his job and as an asset than the next 5-6 full timers on the roster put together behind him. You don't turn that. If you were in Vince's shoes, you know damn well you wouldn't turn that when these other guys are 2, 3, 4, 11, 6 and so on time world champs who can't keep viewers or sell out sd tapings. You wouldn't so that when you have TV licenses coming up, a network to launch, and Cena on top as the good guy is behind every positive gain you've had the past decade in a wrestling ring and in the press.

I dont get get how anyone can't separate fact from fiction when it comes to things. Wwe is a business and Cena no matter what's chanted at him is always more of a net positive and profit than anything else. People can harp on but he, she, it, this guy, that guy wasn't given a full on chance and ignore that they flopped when given 400days to matter, 3-4 ppvs and countless SDs and summerslam to main event, and multiple title reigns and stables.

At some point maybe it's not Cena who needs to be turned. Maybe its the guys behind Cena who all need to be changed for better support like he had 5 years ago.
 

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Only person who I think does really well as Cena's second ambassador is Sheamus.

Apparently The Miz is really good at all of that as well, but his face gimmick isn't working, they need to make him a Jericho wise cracking face for him to be more successful imo but that's another story entirely.
We can agree Miz always seemed to be on pace to be a Y2J like face. And yes Miz is a good guy in the sense you've never heard a negative about him (same for Sheamus) as it comes to being a professional. They just ran into a wall after trying to make him a. Flair clone
 
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I was actually thinking of their abilities as media/goodwill ambassadors! Apparently both do a ton of that and are really good as it, but nvm got the wrong end of the shtich
 

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If you want to go with public perception, then Darren Young should be pushed, and do all that goodwill/make-a-wish/B A Star bullshit. Anyone can do it, even Brodus is doing it, so don't act like Cena is the only guy who can. Darren also has the benefit of being 2 minorities, which seems to make people happy these days.
 

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If you want to go with public perception, then Darren Young should be pushed, and do all that goodwill/make-a-wish/B A Star bullshit. Anyone can do it, even Brodus is doing it, so don't act like Cena is the only guy who can. Darren also has the benefit of being 2 minorities, which seems to make people happy these days.

Sorry. Darren doesn't look like he could beat someone up, so according to this thread, he has no chance of ever driving up a damn buyrate. InterwebzLogickz
 

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But saying Darren doesn't look like he could beat someone up is homophobic.

No, it's racist, right? I can't seem to keep that straight.

CWutIDidThar?

I know 15 year old that look more physically intimidating than Rey Mysterio, but because he's been pushed the RIGHT way, he's over and "credible" against pretty much anyone because his whole WWE career has been one long-running 'David Vs Goliath" storyline.

Push anyone with average or above mic and work skills and they'll eventually get over.
 

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Psych skoolin J-Mac itt.

Weezus, saying the Darren Young looks like he couldn't beat anyone up.....HE'S A BIG MUSLCEY BLACK GUY!!!
 

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Psych skoolin J-Mac itt.

Weezus, saying the Darren Young looks like he couldn't beat anyone up.....HE'S A BIG MUSLCEY BLACK GUY!!!

Anywhere else in the world, he's a big muscly black guy, in the WWE, he's small muscly black guy.
 

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Even if we never heard anything about his sexual preference, I'd still say they've spent more time on commentary planting seeds Titus is the ass kicker and power of the tandem. Hell Titus got the job because Dave vouched for him and said this guy can be special.

I also think comparing Darren just off physique alone to a Punk or Bryan is a small joke since he's in better shape than either guy. Heck Rey is better built than either guy just standing alongside them to go with more legitimacy. Punk and Bryan aren't Ohno bad shape wise, but I hate when people bring up Benoit or Eddie for example because those two were worlds more defined than them, and in the case of Eddie, he didn't even whoop Brock's ass, he got his ass kicked until the former nfl player and WCW champion jumped the barrier and speared the fuck out of Brock
 

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lol someone in this thread made a sirius suggestion of Daniel Bryan taking Cena's spot.

I'm tapping out of this thread. My ribs are killing me from laughing.
 

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Cena's beyond stale but he is the most valuable guy in the WWE. The IWC love to pretend the year and half Punk was given to be a star mattered or that Bryan was breaking PPV buyrates but Cena's that constant draw. That constant money maker. I find his WWE work boring but the guy is a workhorse, its ridiculous all the things he does for the WWE and how quickly he comes back from major injuries. The guy must have no life at all outside of the WWE but what more could the WWE want? CM Punk who is basically the ultimate dbag, punching fans, verbally abusing fans, constantly looking like he's too good to be seen with anyone else.