Triple H pushing for relevant midcard belts

[Aids Johnson]

I love this idea, but am bummed it's Cena and Bryan winning tbh. Bryan is the perfect person to "bring up the IC title," but really it's just been shit booking since Ziggler last held onto it. Bad News jobbing to Cara, no matches at all on most cards....you could bring the IC title back up by putting it on anyone in the match not named R-truth.....or Stardust.

I think Brock loses by something cheap, and Rollins cashes in the next night as a final farewell from the authority. Brock back by Summerslam to do the same thing as this last year.

lol @DB main eventing. His shit got old over the near year he was gone, and he has to build it back up. Throwing him at Brock and having him win didn't and still does not make any sense in my mind. He will be back up around or shortly after SS, i'm betting.

 

[Leo C]

Well I know what they're looking for but should/would wwe take stone cold Steve Austin in his prime after just headlining your previous mania and just give him the IC title? To bring it up? No I don't think so.

I get the logic I suppose. But why not let dean Ambrose get it? Ziggler? My point is that others can bring it up as well. And Bryan is just too large for that. Again, he should be fighting the rock at mania or have a headlining match.

IM mainly saying this because they're forcing reigns into what I feel should Bryan's spot. Nonetheless, I feel the point is valid that Bryan is clearly that stone cold Steve Austin face, not reigns.

Well, why wouldn't they do it? I mean, maybe they wouldn't, but there's no reason why not assuming you want an awesome IC title. NJPW for example, their IC title was on Tanahashi (#1 guy) just last year and right now is on Nakamura (#2, #3). The point being that if you really want to bring the IC title to the ME and book it accordingly it will not diminish the holder. Dolph and Dean would be good choices if they were good bookers (WWE), but you have to say that "Dolph Ziggler wins IC title" doesn't sound surprising nor will it up the title prestige by itself. Same with Dean. "Daniel Bryan wins IC title" will/would.

Now, granted, he won't be THE #1 top guy, but I particularly have no problem with them pushing someone else at that spot given that they do it well (which is not the case, but still) and that they book Bryan accordingly. I think him bringing the IC up is good TV and won't tarnish Bryan.

 

[edge4ever]

I love this idea, but am bummed it's Cena and Bryan winning tbh. Bryan is the perfect person to "bring up the IC title," but really it's just been shit booking since Ziggler last held onto it. Bad News jobbing to Cara, no matches at all on most cards....you could bring the IC title back up by putting it on anyone in the match not named R-truth.....or Stardust.

I think Brock loses by something cheap, and Rollins cashes in the next night as a final farewell from the authority. Brock back by Summerslam to do the same thing as this last year.

lol @DB main eventing. His shit got old over the near year he was gone, and he has to build it back up. Throwing him at Brock and having him win didn't and still does not make any sense in my mind. He will be back up around or shortly after SS, i'm betting.

DB can bring anything up at this point - he's that over - doesn't mean he needs to be the one for the IC title, however. But, yes, that's been my point all along: shitty booking and lack of PPV attention, etc., has caused the mid cards title become null and void.

I hope Rollins cashes in.

All a matter of opinion. But the fans still cheering yes and blowing up every time he's around (including when Reigns is in the ring) no matter who he's wrestling or teaming with, does matter; merchandise sales I'm sure haven't like gone down drastically either.

DB comes back from injury. Wins the Rumble, declares he never lost his title and Brock didn't have a 30 day defend policy on him, and then going to war with the beast isn't appealing or doesn't make sense? Their match would've been insane. Reigns and Brock....athletic powerhouse vs. athletic powerhouse....well, that makes no sense.

 

[edge4ever]

Well, why wouldn't they do it? I mean, maybe they wouldn't, but there's no reason why not assuming you want an awesome IC title. NJPW for example, their IC title was on Tanahashi (#1 guy) just last year and right now is on Nakamura (#2, #3). The point being that if you really want to bring the IC title to the ME and book it accordingly it will not diminish the holder. Dolph and Dean would be good choices if they were good bookers (WWE), but you have to say that "Dolph Ziggler wins IC title" doesn't sound surprising nor will it up the title prestige by itself. Same with Dean. "Daniel Bryan wins IC title" will/would.

Now, granted, he won't be THE #1 top guy, but I particularly have no problem with them pushing someone else at that spot given that they do it well (which is not the case, but still) and that they book Bryan accordingly. I think him bringing the IC up is good TV and won't tarnish Bryan.

i dont think it will up the prestige though, drastically, especially since you have to realize that DB will drop to someone less popular than him. That will happen. Thus, it means that it really comes to booking and attention they give the title.

 

[Aids Johnson]

DB can bring anything up at this point - he's that over - doesn't mean he needs to be the one for the IC title, however. But, yes, that's been my point all along: shitty booking and lack of PPV attention, etc., has caused the mid cards title become null and void.

I hope Rollins cashes in.

All a matter of opinion. But the fans still cheering yes and blowing up every time he's around (including when Reigns is in the ring) no matter who he's wrestling or teaming with, does matter; merchandise sales I'm sure haven't like gone down drastically either.

DB comes back from injury. Wins the Rumble, declares he never lost his title and Brock didn't have a 30 day defend policy on him, and then going to war with the beast isn't appealing or doesn't make sense? Their match would've been insane. Reigns and Brock....athletic powerhouse vs. athletic powerhouse....well, that makes no sense.

I didn't realize this was sarcastic/fangirl posting until the Athletic Powerhouse vs Athletic Powerhouse part. Hilarious.

 

[Leo C]

i dont think it will up the prestige though, drastically, especially since you have to realize that DB will drop to someone less popular than him. That will happen. Thus, it means that it really comes to booking and attention they give the title.

I do agree that the booking of the reigns that follow DB's (if it is to happen) would be crucial here, in fact, you can make the title mean something even without DB winning it. That is true. But I think him winning it in itself would bring more eyes to the title and since his programs are going to get more attention because he's a top guy the title gets more attention by default. So I think it will up the prestige, especially given the current champion is a fool who loses every match.

 

[edge4ever]

I didn't realize this was sarcastic/fangirl posting until the Athletic Powerhouse vs Athletic Powerhouse part. Hilarious.

out of all that i stated..you say that? awesome. I'll reply to chunks of your posts.

 

[edge4ever]

I do agree that the booking of the reigns that follow DB's (if it is to happen) would be crucial here, in fact, you can make the title mean something even without DB winning it. That is true. But I think him winning it in itself would bring more eyes to the title and since his programs are going to get more attention because he's a top guy the title gets more attention by default. So I think it will up the prestige, especially given the current champion is a fool who loses every match.

i mean I'm sure it'll work for a while...just don't like it in the current scenario is all. Time will tell.

 

[Red Rain]

@Majour
I applaud you for trying, but @edge4ever can be a brick wall when he's trying to make a point.

He's clearly looking at this subjectively. You claim to want to benefit WWE when you're clearly centering your entire argument around Daniel Bryan.
You're such a mark for him that no argument would be valid unless that person admitted that Daniel Bryan was superior and is 'above' the fray.
You'll retort and reply over and over until the other person gives up or agrees with you.
I'm glad Majour didn't agree with you. She made it crystal clear that she sees Daniel Bryan as an asset, yet you bang her over the head with hyperbole.

Nobody is slighting Bryan, yet you're slighting any point that doesn't elevate Bryan to the degree that you'd prefer. That's not argumentation, it's tyranny.

 

[edge4ever]

@Majour
I applaud you for trying, but @edge4ever can be a brick wall when he's trying to make a point.

He's clearly looking at this subjectively. You claim to want to benefit WWE when you're clearly centering your entire argument around Daniel Bryan.
You're such a mark for him that no argument would be valid unless that person admitted that Daniel Bryan was superior and is 'above' the fray.
You'll retort and reply over and over until the other person gives up or agrees with you.
I'm glad Majour didn't agree with you. She made it crystal clear that she sees Daniel Bryan as an asset, yet you bang her over the head with hyperbole.

Nobody is slighting Bryan, yet you're slighting any point that doesn't elevate Bryan to the degree that you'd prefer. That's not argumentation, it's tyranny.

AMF,

When it comes to certain topics, yes, I can be a brick wall. I am passionate about superstars I like. Not only that, I feel that I should defend their cause when they're not being given what I feel and, hell, even most fans feel (for DB) they deserve.

I want WWE to benefit. Why would i want them to crash? Never made that claim. I discussed DB because, well, he's the topic of discussion, it's not like i said anything irrelevant and went off on a tangent. We were discussing Cena and DB holding the titles. I gave my opinion of DB holding them. Simply saying he should be in the main event scene and Ziggler, Ambrose, Orton can center around that belt. With booking and storylines backing them, this issue of mid card belts would've been resolved a long, long time ago: Aids even supported that. Yet, I also said i do see both sides of the fence on this. I just don't like that they feel it has to be DB as i feel there's more to him than that.

WE all "mark" for certain guys. To an extent. DB is simply a star i feel has been held back in so many ways, i just don't want a repeat. All my opinion.

I don't think i retorted.

You defend Majour and that's fine. But, even though she's "crystal clear" about him being asset, as many stars are assets of course, I felt that there's more to DB than that. And that's been the argument. No one on this thread denies he's an asset. But is he in the right spot in this scenario? Maybe, maybe not. I don't think so, personally.

It's not really about what I prefer (when, realistically, don't we all "prefer" things a certain way to an extent). Tyranny is a bit extreme, I just feel this spot (IC Title) could be for someone else. That's my case. It's booking and backing the man and storyline. Don't take some up and coming big time main eventer (DB) and just hand him the IC title in the name of "prestige" so that a somewhat lackluster (although improving Reigns) can get tons of glory.

AMF, this is just a topic i am passionate about, sorry for that. There's several topics where i can be more reasonable. But i just don't like this.

Love,

Edge <3

 

[Farooq]

I love Daniel Bryan and love the Intercontinental championship. I mean it's a belt that was held by greats like Randy Savage, Mr. Perfect, Ricky Steamboat and many other legends. This belt needs life, and Daniel Bryan(and well you know...PROPER BOOKING) will help bring attention to it. This belt needs prestige back, and putting Bryan there can help it. Yes we can put Orton, but why? It would be switching spots. I'd rather see Bryan with the strap then beating the Authority feud. Plus, it adds another belt to Bryan's career he didn't have before.

 

[Cloud]

Way behind on all things WWE just like the old days. If this is legit then do it HHH know his stuff look at NXT it's thriving and ppl are watching that over RAW or SD. The future that we have been promised for so long needs to arrive!

 

[Jacob Fox]

Well I know what they're looking for but should/would wwe take stone cold Steve Austin in his prime after just headlining your previous mania and just give him the IC title? To bring it up? No I don't think so.

I get the logic I suppose. But why not let dean Ambrose get it? Ziggler? My point is that others can bring it up as well. And Bryan is just too large for that. Again, he should be fighting the rock at mania or have a headlining match.

IM mainly saying this because they're forcing reigns into what I feel should Bryan's spot. Nonetheless, I feel the point is valid that Bryan is clearly that stone cold Steve Austin face, not reigns.

At the height of relevancy for these two titles, they were used to push midcarders up to a main event status. In the early days of the belt Pedro Morales was the only former WWWF/WWF/WWE world champion to hold the belt, which he dropped in 1981. After that, a former WWE champion did not hold the IC belt after his initial world title reign until Triple H in 2001. On the reverse, 15 IC champs during that period would go on to win the WWE Championship.

My point being, that this belt is meant to prepare a wrestler for a future main event push. That was how it was utiltized in the past and it worked well. So I wholeheartedly agree. Daniel Bryan doesn't gain anything from being the IC champ. John Cena only gains defeating Rusev by winning the US Title, he gets pretty much nothing else for it. WWE should put the belt on guys like Ambrose and then give them a good title reign instead of having them lose tons of non title matches. That will help the company build new starts and a sustainable future, which putting these belts on Cena and Bryan will not.

 

[Cloud]

Whilst I agree Jacob there is no way either the US and IC belt would be classed as relevant with the modern WWE crowd. They need recent history to make anything worthwhile. We are talking the MTV generation the www. generation all information is available they need imo some balance brought to those titles to make them relevant as a place holder. Giving Cena the US title elevates it to glory days as does Bryan walking round with the IC. Long gone are lengthy title reigns, we need prestige back as modern day are likelier too relate.

 

[Jacob Fox]

It could make sense if they put the titles onto Bryan and Cena, give them a decent run with the belts and have them lose them to guys later on that might benefit from holding the belts.

Also, IC title reigns don't have to be long to be effective. Bret Hart's first reign was five months and his second was four months.

But my point wasn't about relating to history, but trying to use some of the methods that have worked in the past. For example, the IC belt has been tossed around like a hot potato ever since the Attitude Era and look what that has gotten it. What they're doing with it now simply isn't working. So, even though I sort of contradict my early point, putting it on Bryan might actually be a good idea. Try something they haven't tried before. But since their recent efforts with the IC title haven't been successful, there's no harm going back to a formula that used to work. They don't have much to lose.