The Russo-Ukrainian War Thread (FKA Political Thread)

[Dakstang]

This is my mic drop comment on the whole issue of 'The Civil War' having ANYTHING to do with slavery. (Pro tip: It did not)

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. What I do about slavery and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save this Union" - Abraham Lincoln

 

[Chris]

Lmao

 

[Bobby Barrows]

This is my mic drop comment on the whole issue of 'The Civil War' having ANYTHING to do with slavery. (Pro tip: It did not)

Did you ever read the rest of his letter to Horace Greeley?

I have here stated my purpose according to my view of official duty; and I intend no modification of my oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.

Also way to completely forget that much of Lincoln's voting base were uh... White Supremacists, even by the standards of the day. So congrats, Dak, you unintendedly proved our point that Slavery was a huge deal to the Civil War.

 

[Bobby Barrows]

What Lincoln writes in that Letter to Horace Greeley, is basically very similar to Obama's opinions on Gay Marriage during his 2008 Presidential Campaign. He stated he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, then later on during his first term came out and said he supported strong same-sex unions, and finally by the end of his second term, openly advocated for Same-Sex Marriage.

 

[Dakstang]

And if you want to know why the South will NEVER forgive the North...this may give you a bit of understanding.

 

[Bobby Barrows]

And if you want to know why the South will NEVER forgive the North...this may give you a bit of understanding.

That's cute.

But you know what they say, "Oh way down South in the land of Traitors..."

 

[Kross Rhodes]

This is my mic drop comment on the whole issue of 'The Civil War' having ANYTHING to do with slavery. (Pro tip: It did not)

Are you telling me the President of the United States would sacrifice his own personal policy conscriptions to save the country? Shocking news....

That doesn't in any way negate that the Confederate States all state in their successions that slavery was the primary reason they did so.

That quote was also wildly taken out of context and doesn't take into account that despite winning a nomination for a relatively new political party, he had to say what he could to appease his constituents. Man had to play the game to get done what he wanted and he waited until it was politically savvy to do so.

 

[Kross Rhodes]

Abraham Lincoln is the greatest President of all time and I'll die on that hill from recent attempts to make him look bad.

Was he a man that lived in 1860 and had what we could racist opinions today, of course, but man still did more than anyone before him.

 

[Bobby Barrows]

Abraham Lincoln is the greatest President of all time and I'll die on that hill from recent attempts to make him look bad. Was he a man that lived in 1860 and had what we could racist opinions today, of course, but man still did more than anyone before him.

Lincoln's death is probably the worst thing to happen to Civil Rights and set things back by 100 years.

 

[Kross Rhodes]

What Lincoln writes in that Letter to Horace Greeley, is basically very similar to Obama's opinions on Gay Marriage during his 2008 Presidential Campaign. He stated he believes that marriage is between a man and a woman, then later on during his first term came out and said he supported strong same-sex unions, and finally by the end of his second term, openly advocated for Same-Sex Marriage.

I do think some Democrat politicians were legitimately against gay marriage and changed when public opinion did, but I wouldn't be able to say who for sure.

 

[Bobby Barrows]

I do think some Democrat politicians were legitimately against gay marriage and changed when public opinion did, but I wouldn't be able to say who for sure.

Democrats have this funny little habit of being against something unless their urban constituents fight tooth and nail for it, then they change their tune real quick.

 

[Kross Rhodes]

Lincoln's death is probably the worst thing to happen to Civil Rights and set things back by 100 years.

It's a real shame. History would be so different if he got to start reconstruction and sat in the White House during peace.

Then we could have Grant immediately after Lincoln instead of having Andrew Johnson take the office first. How much that alone changes things.

 

[Bobby Barrows]

It's a real shame. History would be so different if he got to start reconstruction and sat in the White House during peace.

Then we could have Grant immediately after Lincoln instead of having Andrew Johnson take the office first. How much that alone changes things.

Andrew Johnson, alongside Andrew Jackson, has to honestly be two of the absolute dirt worst human beings as Presidents, next to Woodrow Wilson. They're fucking bottom 3 all-time for me.

 

[Kross Rhodes]

Andrew Johnson, alongside Andrew Jackson, has to honestly be two of the absolute dirt worst human beings as Presidents, next to Woodrow Wilson. They're fucking bottom 3 all-time for me.

Wilson screening the Birth of a Nation KKK trash in the White House has to be the biggest disgrace to that office.

 

[Bobby Barrows]

Wilson screening the Birth of a Nation KKK trash in the White House has to be the biggest disgrace to that office.

On this we both can agree.

As for Best Presidents, top 5 gotta be for my money, Lincoln, both Roosevelts, Grant, and probably James Madison