The Russo-Ukrainian War Thread (FKA Political Thread)

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It humors me to see someone who can write essays with the same amount of passion I do myself, albeit on different subjects. So maybe I really am a sadist. :kawhi
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The times I drink, I always smoke when I do. I’ve always been fine. Maybe I’m just a rare breed. Who knows. But I also don’t drink alot. But if I am, ya best believe my ass is high also.

I don't remember the last time i drank without smoking as well :slip:
 
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I don't remember the last time i drank without smoking as well :slip:

More importantly, do you drink and smoke when you are flipping burgers in your back yard?

How would you feel if it became a crime to drink or smoke while flipping burgers?
 
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I don't remember the last time i drank without smoking as well :slip:
I like to believe it’s why I don’t wake up with a hangover…. But even before I really was smoking and drunk I didn’t get one either… rare breed
 

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More importantly, do you drink and smoke when you are flipping burgers in your back yard? How would you feel if it became a crime to drink or smoke while flipping burgers?
mother fucker it IS illegal for me to smoke weed
 
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mother fucker it IS illegal for me to smoke weed

Someone doesn't read the wording of the laws that well, hahaha.

Hey in GA, you don't even get a ticket for anything less than an ounce.... except for in smaller jurisdictions.
 

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Suuure.... :rolleyes:

It's a meme.

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Prequel memes ftw.

You guys ganged up on me and high fiving each other in agreement. That's a hivemind. I didn't say it, Swamps did, and actually I agree with THAT sentiment.

There is a difference between agreeing and a hivemind. A hivemind means no individual thoughts, absolute conformity. We still disagree on stuff. Just so happens that this example we agreed on.


Nope. There's 80% Socialists, 20% centrist democrats. Let me put it this way: THEY, in California... BLOCKED a JFK-style democrat. (When the recall was on for Newsom.)

THEY don't want centrist democrats, bro. Pelosi, Newsom, Sanders, AOC, etc.

See, you know this. The little bit of centrist democrats? They can't fight back, or they'll be outcasted from committees, from other secret hearings. This is why you listen to podcasts. You learn something new. If I hadn't listened to MTG's discussion, I wouldn't know what goes on in the chambers of congress.

Ironically, there are times in which "socialist democrats" have similar thoughts in they can't get stuff done. Like a push for stuff like "The New Green Deal," and other stuff. It goes both ways in that they don't always agree on everything.

As for the hivemind question: Look at Twitter. The whole thing is algorithmicly LEFT. You can't even go outside the narrative.

The Twitter algorithm and other sites aren't exactly left or right in nature. What happens, and this is an issue, is that the algorithm pushes stuff which falls more in line with what people's own views are, no matter if they are left or right. That, and if you think about it, if there are a decent amount of young people are on Twitter which younger people naturally lean left and it is more likely to have "left views" on Twitter. It isn't purposefully "I WILL MAKE YOU THINK LEFT! THE MEDIA CONTROLS EVERYTHING MWAHAHAH!"

Now you are trying to make fun of me. Keep going. Go ahead, beaves, make fun of me. Everyone is doing it.

The entire example I mentioned, did I once go specifically "YOU?" No. I brought up clear examples from general world politics, and then a specific one in the US which is pretty on the nose. I also followed up in saying that a number of Trump followers, not you, have a following of him to an unusual and unnerving level because a normal politician in America/North America doesn't have followers like THAT.

Alex Jones IS a bit crazy. But that dude got A LOT correct. I would bet money on HIM than the next woke company. I'm serious.

Yes he makes crazy theories. Yes. But keep listening and you'll find nuggets of gold.

Dude, he has manipulated people's feelings, made outrageous claims about poisoned water supplies to make people gay, then in the next segment sells a water filter to "prevent it." He is a con-man. He is a charismatic con-man who, despite making tons of money from his show, continually begged for donations to "keep the lights on," and sold countless products to his viewers, usually after a story to make his products seem more appealing.

There is a reason why he has mounting lawsuits (which he keeps losing), what he has done has hurt a lot of people and made their lives hell. How would you feel if I had a radio show, and said "Stone Cold X is a huge liar! He is part of a grand conspiracy, and he lives here," and you continually got death threats, harassment? THAT is what he did to the family of the victims of the Sandy Hook shootings.

Also being "woke," is a shit buzz word. There is nothing wrong with recognizing "Hey... racism is bad, or homophobia/transphobia is bad, let's bring awareness to this." Or "Hey, what we say has consequences. Don't be a dick."


I voted Obama in 2009... I don't hate the old guard Democrats. Looking at history, they were the pro-business politicians. These Democrats don't exist anymore.

You can thank these Democratic Socialists.

You said, and I quote: "I am now giving up on WS' politics section, because it's littered with democrats who will support these ugly politicians"

You used democrat as an insult. You didn't give the information about voting for Obama once until literally now. (Which the election with Obama was 2008).

Also, I said this before and I will say this again: The US has a conservative lean. What you consider a "Center democrat" in a place like Canada, depending on the politician, may be a Liberal (which is center/center left, and even now has a few people center-right) or fall in line with the Progressive Conservative party which existed until it merged with other right wing parties to form the modern Conservative party. The PCs federally were center-right. Ironically, a chunk of these "Democratic Socialists" are actually closer to actual center than quite a few conservatives and even some "old guard democrats." Because, as I said, the Cold War pushed the US father right out of fear of the Soviets and a desire to be as far away from them politically as possible. Ideas that several of them are pushing, like universal health-care, living wage, etc, are actually moderate ideas in multiple places in the world. Now that the Cold War is over, we see some people try to push the US closer to the center to catch up with the world.
 

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It's a meme.

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Prequel memes ftw.
I have a short memory on Star Wars now. Prequels were, ok. But it ruins Star Wars sometimes. For example, the last 2 films killed it for me. Like that kiss... holy shit. What were they THINKING!?
Ironically, there are times in which "socialist democrats" have similar thoughts in they can't get stuff done. Like a push for stuff like "The New Green Deal," and other stuff. It goes both ways in that they don't always agree on everything.
That's cool, but the way I see it.. I see too many "Socialist Democrats," than I see the centrists. It's unrecognizable. And that's the crux of what I'm saying. I'll come back to this later.
The Twitter algorithm and other sites aren't exactly left or right in nature. What happens, and this is an issue, is that the algorithm pushes stuff which falls more in line with what people's own views are, no matter if they are left or right. That, and if you think about it, if there are a decent amount of young people are on Twitter which younger people naturally lean left and it is more likely to have "left views" on Twitter. It isn't purposefully "I WILL MAKE YOU THINK LEFT! THE MEDIA CONTROLS EVERYTHING MWAHAHAH!"
My recommendation? Watch "The Social Dillema" (I know its a typo, correct me here.) on Netflix, do it before its taken off. This isn't just Twitter. Its just a huge example right now. They even colluded with Google and Facebook on kicking Parler off the app stores.
The entire example I mentioned, did I once go specifically "YOU?" No. I brought up clear examples from general world politics, and then a specific one in the US which is pretty on the nose. I also followed up in saying that a number of Trump followers, not you, have a following of him to an unusual and unnerving level because a normal politician in America/North America doesn't have followers like THAT.
I see. Understood.
Dude, he has manipulated people's feelings, made outrageous claims about poisoned water supplies to make people gay, then in the next segment sells a water filter to "prevent it." He is a con-man. He is a charismatic con-man who, despite making tons of money from his show, continually begged for donations to "keep the lights on," and sold countless products to his viewers, usually after a story to make his products seem more appealing.

There is a reason why he has mounting lawsuits (which he keeps losing), what he has done has hurt a lot of people and made their lives hell. How would you feel if I had a radio show, and said "Stone Cold X is a huge liar! He is part of a grand conspiracy, and he lives here," and you continually got death threats, harassment? THAT is what he did to the family of the victims of the Sandy Hook shootings.
Like I said: I know he's crazy. Sometimes he's calm, but the stuff he says are batshit crazy. Like who the fuck believes that you can create a hybrid of humans and animals? Like a walking human cow?

Taking a animal's heart and putting it into a human? I believe THAT before I believe a walking cow.
Also being "woke," is a shit buzz word. There is nothing wrong with recognizing "Hey... racism is bad, or homophobia/transphobia is bad, let's bring awareness to this." Or "Hey, what we say has consequences. Don't be a dick."
Woke isn't just racism. It seems innocent, but you're telling people to believe a certain ideology. This is why parents are pissed off. I'll explain in a bit in a sarcastic way.
You said, and I quote: "I am now giving up on WS' politics section, because it's littered with democrats who will support these ugly politicians"

You used democrat as an insult. You didn't give the information about voting for Obama once until literally now. (Which the election with Obama was 2008).
I'm making fun of the current spate of democrats. I regret voting for Obama and by extension Biden in 2009. It caused the 2008 crisis. I didn't see it up close and personal like I do with Biden. However, I started a business in 2010, and I got burnt in 2011 via the high taxation from secretary of state. A small startup getting burned in 2009 isn't comparable to what we're experiencing NOW with the lockdowns where millions of people exited from California. And they're talking about MORE Taxes.

As for the current state of Democrats, this is their woke agenda:

What's 2 + 2? You say 4. But they say 5.

They are indoctrinating kids AS YOUNG as 12 or younger to think their gay biology or transgender biology is... OK. Now.. before you get mad at me... I'm not advocating for hate against YOU. I'M SAYING there are cartoons... TODAY... Telling KIDS binary is ok. Being transgender is ok. Being gay is ok. That kid grows up kissing men in dresses.

Its one thing to be born with tendency towards being a woman, and acting like a feminine person. The other is the government desantizing kids into something else.. entirely.

That's not all, the same indoctrinated system, is TEACHING kids to have sex before 15. Like no. Nonono. That's a parent's JOB, not you... Definitely not the fucking government.

They are removing the grades "C" or "F" to soften these kids to think they're smart.

They are teaching KIDS, teenagers that hating black people is... OKAY. That's Marxist ideology.

A teacher recently told a KID whose father is a police officer - take off the American flag in black, facemask.

You... would be pissed. Those are just some of the craziest stories coming out of this Biden administration. The mandates is one thing, this is another thing they are facing controversy over.

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Perfect video to make my point...

Also, I said this before and I will say this again: The US has a conservative lean. What you consider a "Center democrat" in a place like Canada, depending on the politician, may be a Liberal (which is center/center left, and even now has a few people center-right) or fall in line with the Progressive Conservative party which existed until it merged with other right wing parties to form the modern Conservative party. The PCs federally were center-right. Ironically, a chunk of these "Democratic Socialists" are actually closer to actual center than quite a few conservatives and even some "old guard democrats." Because, as I said, the Cold War pushed the US father right out of fear of the Soviets and a desire to be as far away from them politically as possible. Ideas that several of them are pushing, like universal health-care, living wage, etc, are actually moderate ideas in multiple places in the world. Now that the Cold War is over, we see some people try to push the US closer to the center to catch up with the world.
The old guard democrats are the 1980's democrats, who was the party of being pro-business.

Right now, they aren't. You HAVE to have a Democrat in your company right now. For example in California, you, business owner have to have an "inclusive" executive team, and that team has to have a... WOMAN.

BY. LAW. Not because she deserves the title. Its.. a law.
 
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I have a short memory on Star Wars now. Prequels were, ok. But it ruins Star Wars sometimes. For example, the last 2 films killed it for me. Like that kiss... holy shit. What were they THINKING!?

That's cool, but the way I see it.. I see too many "Socialist Democrats," than I see the centrists. It's unrecognizable. And that's the crux of what I'm saying. I'll come back to this later.

My recommendation? Watch "The Social Dillema" (I know its a typo, correct me here.) on Netflix, do it before its taken off. This isn't just Twitter. Its just a huge example right now. They even colluded with Google and Facebook on kicking Parler off the app stores.

I see. Understood.

Like I said: I know he's crazy. Sometimes he's calm, but the stuff he says are batshit crazy. Like who the fuck believes that you can create a hybrid of humans and animals? Like a walking human cow?

Taking a animal's heart and putting it into a human? I believe THAT before I believe a walking cow.

Woke isn't just racism. It seems innocent, but you're telling people to believe a certain ideology. This is why parents are pissed off. I'll explain in a bit in a sarcastic way.

I'm making fun of the current spate of democrats. I regret voting for Obama and by extension Biden in 2009. It caused the 2008 crisis. I didn't see it up close and personal like I do with Biden. However, I started a business in 2010, and I got burnt in 2011 via the high taxation from secretary of state. A small startup getting burned in 2009 isn't comparable to what we're experiencing NOW with the lockdowns where millions of people exited from California. And they're talking about MORE Taxes.

As for the current state of Democrats, this is their woke agenda:

What's 2 + 2? You say 4. But they say 5.

They are indoctrinating kids AS YOUNG as 12 or younger to think their gay biology or transgender biology is... OK. Now.. before you get mad at me... I'm not advocating for hate against YOU. I'M SAYING there are cartoons... TODAY... Telling KIDS binary is ok. Being transgender is ok. Being gay is ok. That kid grows up kissing men in dresses.

Its one thing to be born with tendency towards being a woman, and acting like a feminine person. The other is the government desantizing kids into something else.. entirely.

That's not all, the same indoctrinated system, is TEACHING kids to have sex before 15. Like no. Nonono. That's a parent's JOB, not you... Definitely not the fucking government.

They are removing the grades "C" or "F" to soften these kids to think they're smart.

They are teaching KIDS, teenagers that hating black people is... OKAY. That's Marxist ideology.

A teacher recently told a KID whose father is a police officer - take off the American flag in black, facemask.

You... would be pissed. Those are just some of the craziest stories coming out of this Biden administration. The mandates is one thing, this is another thing they are facing controversy over.

The old guard democrats are the 1980's democrats, who was the party of being pro-business.

Right now, they aren't. You HAVE to have a Democrat in your company right now. For example in California, you, business owner have to have an "inclusive" executive team, and that team has to have a... WOMAN.

BY. LAW. Not because she deserves the title. Its.. a law.
There's no way to tiptoe around, or reason, with that gay agenda BS you brought up. You said it with your whole chest. As someone that's experienced that shit firsthand, exactly what you wrote here is the type of thing that gets us LGBTQIA+ people attacked and killed. Watch your damn words.
 

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They are indoctrinating kids AS YOUNG as 12 or younger to think their gay biology or transgender biology is... OK. Now.. before you get mad at me... I'm not advocating for hate against YOU. I'M SAYING there are cartoons... TODAY... Telling KIDS binary is ok. Being transgender is ok. Being gay is ok. That kid grows up kissing men in dresses.

Its one thing to be born with tendency towards being a woman, and acting like a feminine person. The other is the government desantizing kids into something else.. entirely.

Okay. This is where you cross a line into it becoming personal.

They are not "indoctrination" kids. They are recognizing that people who are gay exist, that people who are trans exist and teaching people that they exist and have rights like everyone else. What would be WORSE and lean towards indoctrination kids is to teach them only one thing, and I've seen the push for people to "ignore racist things from our past" in schools and teach "Patriotism" (Nationalism) then that is indoctrination. Since you mentioned "PEOPLE ARE BEING TAUGHT TO BE MARXIST" do you know when I first learned about Marxism, like the actual ideology? High school, grade 11 and that was when I took a sociology class where the goal is to literally learn to look at society from a variety of perspectives and argue from different points of view. Then more in Grade 12 when I took Political Science (once again, part of the discipline) and then later in University where I learned theories from Plato to John Locke, Marx to Adam Smith, to Trump and even Islam. I was taught TO think. I was shown that other disciplines and thoughts exist.

NOW, back to the part where you make it personal.

You know what the first time I learned about LGBTQ+ people in school? Grade 9 in High school Health class. It was taught by the school guidance councilor and she dealt personally with LGBTQ+ kids uncomfortable with coming out or being bullied for being who they are. You know what she told us? She told us they exist. That there are gay people or people who are bisexual. That there are trans people in the school and that they transitioned and feel comfortable being who they are. The fact that kids are learning about it sooner actually is a GOOD thing. It creates the conversation early, and they are aware they EXIST. Then funny enough, as young as 12, 13, that's when a kid goes through puberty, their body is changing, and on their own they may end up having these feelings. A failure to understand them leads to things like depression, and worse.

To put numbers in it, a study by Rasaki Aranmolate, Danielle R. Bogan, Tiffany Hoard, and Anthony R. Mawson titled "Suicide Risk Factors among LGBTQ Youth: Review" which I will attach here, states that LGBTQ+ youth are four to six times more likely to commit suicide compared to straight people due to rejection from their family/community, bullying from others, etc. That is alarming. Let's add the fact that if a straight couple holds hands in public it is normal, meanwhile if a same sex couple does the same then there is a chance that they will be harassed, assaulted, or worse. Now this is where I get a touch personal.

For years, as far back as me being a kid, I've never felt comfortable being who I was. I was cheerful, smart, but under the surface something wasn't quite fitting. I looked in the mirror and hated myself. Then finally in high school, I started to explore a touch, honestly subconsciously. I simply started to pick the female character in games. I liked it. Then eventually, people because of that, started naturally referring to me as "she/her" and at first I was like "W-What do I do?" and usually would say "Oh no, I'm a guy." But yet, when I did get referred to as a girl, something felt nice. I ignored it for years, but still played as whatever character in a game I wanted (usually female) and even had a female e-fed character or two. Then in University undergrad I just had nights where I'd feel uncomfortable, a tip of my tongue feeling. Then one night I was in a discord conversation years ago with a friend and it just clicked and I spat it out "I wished I was a girl!" and a weight was off my chest. That was years ago. I'm not out in person. It took a long time to even feel comfortable having some ONLINE circles of friends refer to me as she/her. Now, it is most places and I have told 3 people I know IRL of my feelings. I have a dress in my literal closet right now that I occasionally wear when I'm home alone an feel upset and need something to make me feel better. Why haven't I come out fully?

Because of assholes like you, that's why. Now this is where I may fall into ad hominem, so my apologies. But here you are deflecting things like "Oh, you do you," or "Hey, you can be feminine if you want," but also act DISGUSTED at the fact that schools are even teaching kids that LGBTQ+ people exist and are victims of harassment. You say "That kid will grow up kissing men in dresses" being hateful of the fact they exist. There has been a growing awareness of this stuff not because of people being W O K E, it is because society's values have changed.

They have changed over time as we gained more awareness of this stuff, and it is always changing. That is why we are seeing more representation in media, because they're trying to tell more stories and show people that hey, it exists. At one point people would be disgusted at the very thought of a white kid and a black kid sharing the same classroom and go into a similar rant as you did there saying "Oh, black people aren't bad, but I don't want them in MY SCHOOLS!" Then the day you decided to post two giant-ass pictures of a women's ass with vagina in full view in the general chat, and I joked afterwards, "Hey, I may be a lesbian, but there is a time and place for that stuff," you responded (generally):

"I don't need you to bring your 'sex' into things,"

So the literal mention of it made you uncomfortable as a grown-ass man?

Let me tell you this before I ask some questions:

On this site, on WWEF when it was around, and across the fucking planet there are people in the LGBTQ+ community. Alone, there is @Killer Orange Cat who mentioned he had a boyfriend, @Nostradamus is bisexual and he's open about it. Then I know there are at least 4-5, maybe more who are trans on this site, myself included.

Now: Are you sickened by the fact that Jacob has a boyfriend he probably kisses and feels happy with?

Does the fact that Jonny is attracted to both male and females make you feel uncomfortable?

Does the fact that I, someone who was born male, wore a dress before with some lipstick and felt confidence and happiness I have never felt in my entire life make you sick?

Does me telling my story about my genuine feelings that I have struggled with for a large portion of my life makes you feel uncomfortable?

If I wear a dress irl in front of you, would you call me something like a f*ggot or make fun of me?

If any of those answers are "Yes," then congratulations, you're maybe a bit homophobic and/or transphobic! Why? Maybe it could a lack of education, awareness or exposure? Maybe it is a political hivemind like you talked about, being the "way it's been," and you're scared of change? Or it can be a place of hate?

If it is the former two, then there may be hope that you change, but if it comes from hate, then I am 100% done with you as a person. We have a right to exist. We have a right to be happy for being who we are as long as it doesn't harm anyone else, and it doesn't. We don't deserve to be treated like dogshit and if you can't coexist with people like us, then you don't belong on this site.
 

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Alright looks like I'm gonna have to step in here quick and tell people to cool it. I can already tell where this is going and I'd prefer if we didn't go down this route.

Let's Shift our focus to elsewhere other than LGBTQ stuff.
 

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Alright looks like I'm gonna have to step in here quick and tell people to cool it. I can already tell where this is going and I'd prefer if we didn't go down this route.

Let's Shift our focus to elsewhere other than LGBTQ stuff.

Can we bring up that in San Francisco of all places, 3 of there school board members were recently recalled. Guess which political party got voted into their spots? This is in San Francisco of all places too.
 
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Alright looks like I'm gonna have to step in here quick and tell people to cool it. I can already tell where this is going and I'd prefer if we didn't go down this route.

Let's Shift our focus to elsewhere other than LGBTQ stuff.
Thank you.
 

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On this site, on WWEF when it was around, and across the fucking planet there are people in the LGBTQ+ community. Alone, there is @Killer Orange Cat who mentioned he had a boyfriend, @Nostradamus is bisexual and he's open about it. Then I know there are at least 4-5, maybe more who are trans on this site, myself included.

Now: Are you sickened by the fact that Jacob has a boyfriend he probably kisses and feels happy with?
I've focused on this part. You are jumping the gun. You are getting angry over nothing. I don't care where you land, bi, gay, transgender. I don't care, in fact I said it from the get-go. You can be gay or whatever, that's YOUR business. I will discuss things with you. I will respect your decision or whatever.

The point i was getting at, parents aren't interested in having their kids be indoctrinated into something else. What if a parent DON'T want their kid or kids to be converted into LBQT whatever pronoun you come up with?

Me? I want my kid to be far, far away from this indoctrination. I'm not bringing my child in this world. Fuck that shit. I'll just have headaches. I just want to chill.

Get mad. I don't care. You got me wrong.

Twist my words, have different ideas. I'm done.
 
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He thinks people are being converted to being gay :lmao