The Rock the biggest draw of 1999

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Here is one of just merchandise. He is 3rd so how the hell is the top.

1. Cena
2. Austin
3. Rock
4. Hogan
5. DX


Top merchandise sellers of all time.

I like the Rock as much as the next person but he was not the top in any year with Austin around except for maybe Austin's final year but he was part time then already and making his money and where he has earned the majority of his money is in Hollywood.


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I presented multiple sources that confirms he was the top earner making $12 million and he just says, but mah Rock said.

The Rock is a direct source, if you think Meltzer is more credible than Rock, the very guy who has the numbers and drew it, youre

1998 isn't 1999, but everywhere I could look seemed to suggest this was the record for a single year. 12 million shirts sold speaks for itself.
Austin made nearly $12 million that single year in 1999 alone.

Incorrect 12 million is his 1998 number, you never provided a lick of proof for your 1999 claim that Forbes said he did 250 million.

The dirts support WWE's assertion that Austin was outselling everyone. They don't have a reason to lie to cover Vince's ass.
Yet they have zero credibility and sources.. Rock is a legit source and he contradicts it. So your dirtsheets go straight to the garbage.

And don’t even think of suggesting dirtsheets are more credible than The Rock.

Torch does confirm Rock was the number 1 merch mover in 2000.

And that year they had their highest revenue in merchandise that year, which refutes your entire argument.

From wwe.com/inside/austin-tebow confirming 3:16 being the number one selling shirt of all time.

A biased WWE.com article with zero sources and numbers from a decade plus after the fact.

Vince confirming in 2004 after Hogan, Rock and Austin had all left the company, that Austin was the biggest needle mover he had.


Just like he claimed Austin drew more than Hogan... in February 1998.

Vince’s claim credibility goes right out the window.

Next time come with a challenge, you’re entire argument refuted. Try again.


Steve Austin vs. The Undertaker (28 June 1999) - 9.5

As far as that number goes it was already refuted lol

Nope, the 9.5 rating from June 28, 1999(Night after King of The Ring) was an Overrun, therefore not a segment, as people were tuning in for the next show that was supposed to be airing and not WWF Raw.

According to source → indeedwrestling.blogspot.com/2014/05/raw-nitro-quarter-hours-1999.html

Even more interesting, Before the Undertaker/Austin match, WWF Raw had a 7.3 rating, later on Austin/Undertaker match turned off viewers and led to a 7.1 rating. Raw Overran it's timeslot, so it got an Overrun rating of 9.5 drawn by whatever the next show was(Next show therefore drew a 2.3)

Even more interesting is the fact that the 7.1 rating derives from the earlier 7.3 rating, so not only did Austin/Undertaker not draw that 7.1, but also they lost viewers/tuned people out when they took that 7.3 to a 7.1.

Whereas the Highest Rated Segment in Raw history is “This is your life” with a 8.4 Non-Overrun(Therefore segment), which lost viewers when Mankind started giving presents/because of Mankind → slashwrestling.com/raw/990927.html

The Rock not only drew a 8.4 that night, but on May 1st 2000, Rock drew a 7.9 with his first promo after Backlash, and he also drew an 8.3 against Shane Mcmahon later in the night. slashwrestling.com/raw/000501.html

Another myth refuted.

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Anyone else looking to get spanked? Rock drew more than Austin and no one has proven otherwise.

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Vince McMahon claimed Austin drew more than Hulkamania in the 1980’s... in February of 1998.... and we know that’s bullshit, we have numbers. Austin didn’t draw anywhere near Hogan by February 1998.



Using McMahon claims for here on out will completely kill your credibility, he is not valid proof after making clear bullshit claims.
 

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Using McMahon claims for here on out will completely kill your credibility, he is not valid proof after making clear bullshit claims.
You claiming Vince isn't credible, but The Rock is when Rock DOES NOT HAVE AUSTIN'S MERCH SALES is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Anyone else looking to get spanked? Rock drew more than Austin and no one has proven otherwise.

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You still don't get this burden concept. And you've not proven your case in even a tiny bit and with that I'm checking out.

Since you think WWE Corporate is lying on their corporate website is a reasonable argument. It's not.

The idea that corporate would care if The Rock was their top seller in merchandise and would lie to the public about it is laughable.

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You claiming Vince isn't credible, but The Rock is when Rock DOES NOT HAVE AUSTIN'S MERCH SALES is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Vince lied multiple times to media, specifically on Off the record in February of 1998 when he claimed Austin was bigger than Hulkamania.

That immediately disqualifies Vince as any credible unbiased source.

Unless you want to look stupid and call The Rock a liar you have zero credibility here.

Don't @ me again, please. I'm done here.

You have given zero reliable sources, with unverified and mythological arguments while being incapable of refuting even one of the facts and sources I’ve brought up, you say you are done, so gracefully exit the thread, you’ve been refuted and therefore have lost the debate, Rock was bigger than Austin from late 1998-2002,

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Next? Who else is looking to get refuted?

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Next? Who else is looking to get refuted?

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Is this why you make threads? Just so you can gloat at the end?
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Is this why you make threads? Just so you can gloat at the end?
“I hope it feels so good to be right. There's nothing more exhilarating than pointing out the shortcomings of others, is there?”


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The funniest is when he gloats about denying legit sources like WWE's corporate webpage.
 

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I have no dog in any of his fights but it seems like all he does this for is so he can say refuted and post the Dean gif

Piss poor reason to join a forum


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Is this why you make threads? Just so you can gloat at the end?
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It does feel good being right.

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Alienating an entire message board just so you can feel right!
That and $4 will get you a cup of coffee and a donut.
Glad you have goals.


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The funniest is when he gloats about denying legit sources like WWE's corporate webpage.
Didn't even manage to look at what I posted like he did in the other thread.

Beginning to think he went by Emerson elsewhere.


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Didn't even manage to look at what I posted like he did in the other thread.

Beginning to think he went by Emerson elsewhere.


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Naw Emerson didn’t have this kind of M O


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