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It's been frustrating to see the MLB pushing more and more to a delayed season, but in some ways, with the issues the game had, they NEED to have this sort of conversation to make the game better. Until then it seems my baseball this summer will be from MLB The Show, Super Mega Baseball, maybe College Baseball if they show it on TV...

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MLB on potential shortened season: 'A deadline is a deadline'​

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JUPITER, Fla. -- Major League Baseball will begin canceling regular-season games if the league and the MLBPA can't come to terms on a new collective bargaining agreement by Monday, a league spokesperson said on Wednesday.

The games would not be made up and players would not be paid full-season salaries, the spokesperson said.

"A deadline is a deadline," the spokesperson said. "Missed games are missed games. Salary will not be paid for those games."

It's the first time the league has publicly said it would shorten the season if a new deal isn't reached by the deadline. The league first gave the players the Feb. 28 deadline two weeks ago and reiterated it to them Wednesday. Citing health concerns, the league said it wants about four weeks of spring training -- hence its Monday deadline. Opening Day is scheduled for March 31.

The players have never acknowledged the deadline.

The sides remain far apart on a new agreement. The union is likely to pull expanded playoffs off the table if players aren't paid a full season's salary, according to sources familiar with the union's thinking.

The news came after five hours of negotiations Wednesday that included "vigorous" dialogue, according to sources familiar with the talks. The only new proposal of the day had the league slightly tweaking the minimum salary structure, offering $10,000 more than previous proposals. The union wants minimum salaries to begin at $775,000 next season; the league is now offering $640,000, with $10,000 raises for every year of the deal after that. The movement was viewed by the union as very minor, according to sources.

Players were joined on Wednesday by executive subcommittee members Andrew Miller, Zack Britton and Gerrit Cole for the first time this week. They joined committee holdovers Max Scherzer, Francisco Lindor and Jason Castro in the meetings that have produced little progress toward a new agreement.

So far, after 13 hours inside Roger Dean Stadium, both sides provided tweaks to previous offers, including:

• On Monday, the league added $5 million to a proposed bonus pool for pre-arbitration players, now offering $20 million in it. The union wants $115 million.

• On Tuesday, the union reduced its ask for Super Two eligibility, requesting that salary arbitration come to players who rank in the top 75% in terms of service time (among those who have between two and three years in the majors), down from a previous request of 80%. It was 22% in the previous CBA.

The sides have a lot of ground to cover to meet the league's deadline. Disagreements on the competitive balance tax, revenue sharing, service-time manipulation and the draft are still all unresolved. If the league holds to its timeline, there are only five days left before playing less than a 162-game schedule in 2022 becomes a reality.

The move to cancel and not make up games is a dramatic one by the league. Though the 1990 lockout extended into March, once an agreement was reached, the sides pushed back Opening Day by a week and then extended the season by three days to get all the games in. The league is currently refusing to make up games this year with doubleheaders or lengthening the season on the back end. Some in the union believe both are still negotiable if the season doesn't start on time.
 

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Yeah just cancel the season and cancel the league, buncha pricks.
 

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Jackie Robinson '47 debut ticket stub sells for record $480K; Michael Jordan '84 debut ticket fetches $468K​

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The record for most expensive collectible sports ticket was set twice with Heritage Auctions early Sunday.

Concurrently, a ticket stub from Jackie Robinson's 1947 debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers and a full ticket from Michael Jordan's 1984 debut with the Chicago Bulls, both graded by PSA (Professional Sports Authenticators), sold for $480,000 and $468,000, respectively.

The previous record for the most expensive collectable sports ticket was $264,000, a ticket stub from Jordan's NBA debut -- the same game, albeit a checked ticket -- is now the third-most-expensive collectible sports ticket ever.

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A ticket stub from Jackie Robinson's 1947 debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers sold at auction for $480,000, the most ever for a collectible sports ticket. Courtesy of Heritage Auctions

Mike Cole, the director of admissions for operations at Quinnipiac University, was a freshman at Northwestern University in 1984. A lifelong Bullets fan, his father surprised him with two tickets to an October Bulls-Bullets matchup.

"I was only a month or two into school," said Cole, who asked multiple classmates to attend. "I wasn't that surprised or disappointed no one could go with me."

Cole stowed the unused ticket away; it's now the only known full ticket from Jordan's debut, according to Heritage. Through decades, moves and downsizing, it went from box to box, a totem from a bygone time when his now-late father was looking out for him from afar.

"It was my first time seeing a Bulls game," Cole said, recalling his father, who was a D.C.-area lawyer. "Years after his death and he's still providing for me."

"He was 18, in a new city, and no one took him up on going to the game," said Chris Ivy, director of sports auctions at Heritage Auctions. "[In his pocket], it turns from an old memory [into] a lottery ticket."

Cole joked that he's "not going to get a Lamborghini," a day before his financial fortunes irrevocably changed.

"I've been frugal for 55 years," Cole said. "Our needs are met -- we're fortunate in that extent -- but we may get on some planes. I have family in Hawaii and Barcelona I've never visited."

While cards and memorabilia have exploded during the COVID-19 pandemic, there has been a rise in popularity of tickets and stubs from past sporting events.

"Tickets are riding a popularity wave like we've seen before with vintage photography, [especially with this] ticket stub from Jackie Robinson's breaking the color barrier," Ivy said.

He added: "Thousands of people go down to their basement and come across items. We've gotta answer all of them before something like this comes along."
 
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Source: MLB, MLBPA remain far apart on new CBA as deadline looms​

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JUPITER, Fla. -- Despite a long day of conversations between MLB and the MLBPA on Sunday, the sides still remain far apart on a new collective bargaining agreement, a union source told ESPN.

The six-plus hours of meetings came a day before a league-imposed deadline which would trigger the cancellation of regular-season games. If the sport doesn't have a new collective bargaining agreement by the end of negotiations on Monday, Opening Day on March 31 will be canceled along with potentially a week's worth of games.

The league has indicated they want about four weeks of spring training before opening the season, hence the Feb.28 deadline in order to play on March 31.

The sides will meet again Monday morning for an eighth consecutive bargaining session. A union source indicated they're ready to stay as long as it takes to reach an agreement. The league has said the same. A league source called Sunday a "productive" day of conversations but no new proposals on core economics were exchanged nor were any outstanding issues resolved.

The sides remain far apart on many items including minimum salaries, the competitive balance tax, Super 2 expansion, revenue sharing, expanded postseason and a new pre-arbitration bonus pool. The league stated last week if regular-season games are canceled, they won't be made up nor will players be paid for a 162 game season. The union contends they're likely to negotiate back pay in any return to play scenario.

But first, an agreement has to be reached. Sunday had smaller group conversations beginning with league negotiator Dan Halem meeting with union lawyer Bruce Meyer. Owners stayed back in their boardrooms while league lawyers then spoke with union counterparts along with three players on the subcommittee: Max Scherzer, Marcus Semien and Andrew Miller.

Several meetings, both together and in their own caucuses, took place throughout the day before the sides ended negotiations after 7 p.m. ET. If there's no agreement on Monday, it'll be the first time regular-season games were canceled due to a work stoppage since a player's strike in 1994-1995.

The current stoppage occurred when owners locked out players after the last collective bargaining agreement expired in December. Commissioner Rob Manfred indicated he was hopeful locking out the players would actually jump-start negotiations.

It's done anything but.

Welp, prepare for the cancelled games since they are not on good terms.

If they don't agree anytime soon, like Grim says, cancelled the fucking season.
 

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I am curious for those following this story are you on a particular side? I had a conversation over the weekend and someone mentioned to me that the players were too greedy and making far too much money but I didn't know enough to have a deep conversation about it.
 

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I am curious for those following this story are you on a particular side? I had a conversation over the weekend and someone mentioned to me that the players were too greedy and making far too much money but I didn't know enough to have a deep conversation about it.
TLDR:

It's a group of Millionaires fighting to make more money from a group of Billionaires who will all make more money than any of us will ever make, but it's principally the billionaires who want to keep all the money to themselves to maximize the amount of insane money they already have.
 

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TLDR:

It's a group of Millionaires fighting to make more money from a group of Billionaires who will all make more money than any of us will ever make, but it's principally the billionaires who want to keep all the money to themselves to maximize the amount of insane money they already have.

Also you have to remember that the pay for MLB has quite a wide range. You have people like Tatis Jr and Trout with insane contracts, and others barely cracking 6 figures, then Minor Leaguers AA and Below need to work a job in the off season half the time to make ends meet.
 
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To my previous point.
 
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Bin the fucking league while we're at it.
 
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First 2 regular-season series canceled as MLBPA rejects MLB's final proposal​

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JUPITER, Fla. -- Major League Baseball has canceled opening day, with commissioner Rob Manfred announcing Tuesday the sport will lose regular-season games over a labor dispute for the first time in 27 years after acrimonious lockout talks collapsed in the hours before management's deadline.

Manfred said he is canceling the first two series of the season that was set to begin March 31, dropping the schedule from 162 games to likely 156 games at most. Manfred said the league and union have not made plans for future negotiations. Players won't be paid for missed games.

"My deepest hope is we get an agreement quickly," Manfred said. "I'm really disappointed we didn't make an agreement."

After the sides made progress during 13 negotiating sessions over 16½ hours Monday, the league sent the players' association a "best and final offer" Tuesday on the ninth straight day of negotiations.

Players rejected that offer, setting the stage for MLB to follow through on its threat to cancel Opening Day.

"Not a particularly productive day today," Manfred said.

In a statement, the union said it is "not surprised" by the outcome.

"Rob Manfred and MLB's owners have cancelled the start of the season. Players and fans around the world who love baseball are disgusted, but sadly not surprised," MLBPA said in a statement.

"From the beginning of these negotiation, Players' objectives have been consistent -- to promote competition, provide fair compensation for young Players, and to uphold the integrity of our market system. Against the backdrop of growing revenues and record profits, we are seeking nothing more than a fair agreement.

"What Rob Manfred characterized as a 'defensive lockout' is, in fact, the culmination of a decades long attempt by owners to break our Player fraternity. As in the past, this effort will fail. We are united and committed to negotiating a fair deal that will improve the sport for Players, fans and everyone who loves our game."

At 5:10 p.m. ET, Manfred issued a statement that many fans had been dreading: Nothing to look forward to on Opening Day, normally a spring standard of renewal for fans throughout the nation and some in Canada, too.

The ninth work stoppage in baseball history will be the fourth that causes regular-season games to be canceled, leaving Fenway Park and Dodger Stadium as quiet in next month as Joker Marchant Stadium and Camelback Park have been during the third straight disrupted spring training.

"The concerns of our fans are at the very top of our consideration list," Manfred said.

The lockout, in its 90th day, will plunge a sport staggered by the coronavirus pandemic and afflicted by numerous on-field issues into a self-inflicted hiatus over the inability of players and owners to divide a $10 billion industry. By losing regular-season games, scrutiny will fall even more intensely on Manfred, the commissioner since January 2015, and Tony Clark, the former All-Star first baseman who became union leader when Michael Weiner died in November 2013.

"Manfred gotta go," tweeted Chicago Cubs pitcher Marcus Stroman.

Past stoppages were based on issues such as a salary cap, free-agent compensation and pensions. This one is pretty much solely over money.

This fight was years in the making, with players angered that payrolls decreased by 4% from 2015 through last year, many teams jettisoned a portion of high-priced veteran journeymen in favor of lower-priced youth, and some clubs gave up on competing in the short term to better position themselves for future years.

The sport will be upended by its second shortened season in three years. The 2020 schedule was cut from 162 games to 60 because of the pandemic, a decision players filed a grievance over and still are litigating. The disruption will create another issue if 15 days of the season are wiped out: Stars such as Shohei Ohtani, Pete Alonso, Jake Cronenworth and Jonathan India would be delayed an extra year from free agency.

Players would collectively lose $20.5 million in salary for each day of the season that is canceled, according to a study by The Associated Press, and the 30 teams would lose large sums that are harder to pin down. Members of the union's executive subcommittee stand to lose the most, with Max Scherzer forfeiting $232,975 for each regular-season day lost, and Gerrit Cole $193,548.

Scherzer and free-agent reliever Andrew Miller were present for talks. Both stopped to sign autographs for fans as they left Roger Dean Stadium, the vacant spring training home of the St. Louis Cardinals and Miami Marlins where negotiations have been held since the start of last week.

The first 86 games of the 1973 season were canceled by a strike over pension negotiations, the 1981 season was fractured by a 50-day midseason strike over free-agency compensation rules that canceled 713 games, and a strike that started in August 1994 over management's attempt to gain a salary cap canceled the final 669 games and led to a three-week delay of the 1995 season, when schedules were cut from 162 games to 144.

Players and owners entered deadline day far apart on many key issues and unresolved on others. The most contentious proposals involve luxury tax thresholds and rates, the size of a new bonus pool for pre-arbitration players, minimum salaries, salary arbitration eligibility and the union's desire to change the club revenue-sharing formula.

While the differences had narrowed in recent days, the sides remained apart, with how far apart depending on the point of view.

MLB proposed raising the luxury tax threshold from $210 million to $220 million in each of the next three seasons, $224 million in 2025 and $230 in 2026. Players asked for $238 million this year, $244 million in 2023, $250 million in 2024, $256 million in 2025 and $263 in 2026.

MLB proposed $25 million annually for a new bonus pool for pre-arbitration players, and the union dropped from $115 million to $85 million for this year, with $5 million yearly increases.

The league also increased its proposal for minimum salaries from $675,000 to $700,000, moving up $10,000 per year. Those figures are based on there being an increase to 12 postseason teams and the addition of five lottery slots in the draft.

It has begun. :mad: Fuck both the players and owners for the disagreements!

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The Braves winning really did kill MLB. Damn.
 

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First 2 regular-season series canceled as MLBPA rejects MLB's final proposal​



It has begun. :mad: Fuck both the players and owners for the disagreements!

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They both have a part in it, but I guess I have a touch more sympathy towards the players. Since they are the ones who are just following their dreams as kids.