Sting Considered For The WWE Hall Of Fame

[JimmyD]

um, thats not exactly what happened.

Yes Jarrett had not resigned. there was a verbal agreement to resign, hense the build up of the IC Title match for the PPV. However Vince last minute decided not to go through with the contract. However he did pay Jarrett 40,000 to work 1 extra day after his contract expired (ie PPV night) so that the money spent on the build of the PPV would not be ruined. Jarrett actually left the WWE on pretty good terms and gave Jarrett a lot of credit for agreeing to work that last match including Vince himself.

It was comments Jarrett made later and his spot in WCW that eventually put him on bad terms with the WWE.

I stand corrected (said the man in the orthopedic shoes). I was under the impression he held Vince up for the money.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

DDP, Vader and Sting are ALL possible. Luger is kind of damaged goods to the biz after the Ms Elizabeth death. As far as ECW guys, RVD is the most obvious choice, I don't know if the WWE will forgive the Duddleys for the lawsuit, but Tommy might because he has been a loyal company employee longer than any ECW guy.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

um, thats not exactly what happened.

Yes Jarrett had not resigned. there was a verbal agreement to resign, hense the build up of the IC Title match for the PPV. However Vince last minute decided not to go through with the contract. However he did pay Jarrett 40,000 to work 1 extra day after his contract expired (ie PPV night) so that the money spent on the build of the PPV would not be ruined. Jarrett actually left the WWE on pretty good terms and gave Jarrett a lot of credit for agreeing to work that last match including Vince himself.

It was comments Jarrett made later and his spot in WCW that eventually put him on bad terms with the WWE.

Ummm...thats not exaclty what happened either. It wasn't a friendly thing at all. Jarrett had been pissed that Vince wasn't going to give him a main event run because Austin flat out refused to work with Jarrett. (He also flat out refused to work with Billy Gunn after the KOTR victory, that's why we got the Rock match at SS 99 and we all know how much the Billy expierment failed) Austin and Vince both knew Jarrett was not a draw and would kill the Stone Cold momentum if they wasted PPVs on the guy. Austin is a VERY smart man and he was right. Don't believe me? What happened when he got his WCW title runs?? The numbers dipped to their all time lowest to the point Jarrett refused to take the strap anymore because he didn't want the blame for the shitty condition of the company, when it was indeed partially his fault. He was never world champion material. Anyways...he bent Vince over for 400k mainly as a "fuck you" and Vince really didn't want another one of his belts thrown in the garbage on WCW and Jarrett wasn't important enough anyway to bother with a screw job. It was as unprofessional and hostile as can be. You really think Vince was fine with that?!?

Remember on the final Nitro when Vince mocked him and basically fired him on tv? Sure he had a Turner contract for 6 more months, but basically he was cut from the mainstream and burned his bridges with the only promotion that matters in America because his ego was to fragile to deal with the fact that he was a career midcarder and he robbed the boss of the biz, not because of the comments he made in WCW or being their champ. Plenty of people have spoken shit about Vince and wound up in the E. Fuckin Eric Bischoff was employed by his very enemy that he almost put out of business. So if Vince is willing to forgive that, don't you think he'd forgive some petty midcarder's jealous rants and "shoots"? Of course. Now being stuck up by a never-was is another question, and your stupid to think Vince wouldn't be pissed about that. Trust me, its ALL about that robbery. Nothing else.

 

[Chuck Taylor's Grenade]

Yes while it's true that Jeff Jarrett couldn't draw money if you shoved a magnet up his and dragged him through Fort Knox to be fair by the time he got the strap in WCW they were circling the drain. Partially because they changed their storylines every other week when ratings continued to decline. Plus everybody held the WCW World Title in 2000. It's very hard to determine how someone would do as champion when the title either changed hands or was declared vacant 24 times in one year. And this is a World Heavyweight title we're talking about. Not exactly a secondary title.

As far as Vince never working with Jeff Jarrett again. More than likely not but think of how many people in the past have done interviews basically shitting on WWE and wiping their ass with Vince McMahon and some time later there they are on WWE television (Sable and Roddy Piper are two examples that come to mind). Vince will do anything if he thinks it will make money.

 

[Moonlight Drive]

Bu that's the thing isn't it, Jarrett sucks and will make Vince no money.

I'm sure he'll be the first inductee into the TNA Hall of Fame though (you know they're going to steal that idea as well. Although it would be more akin to a Hall of Shame...)

 

[This Guy]

Vince also made fun, of Buff Bagwell, Goldust & Road Warrior Animal on the last Nitro...all of which came back to work for Vince anyways. It was Vince's character at the time to mock others. He made just as many jokes about his current employees at the time. He couldn't cut Jarrett out of the main stream at the time because Jarrett was as you said yourself under Turner contract. Not WCW contract. Jarrett cut himself out just as Goldberg, Nash, Sting and others did at the time by refusing to take a buy out from Turner. They were unable to work for Vince by staying under Turner contract. So Vince "firing" him on Nitro didn't mean shit even if it wasn't part of the work of him buying WCW. And even from a story line it wouldn't work either as by the end of Nitro it was revealed that Shane bought WCW not Vince and therefore Vince had no authority to fire anyone from WCW.

Finally yeah Vince as I said backed out of the verbal agreement because he didn't want to sign Jarrett again. Jarrett said in multiple interviews though that he didn't care about the money Vince paid him to work that last match with Chyna, he would have done it for free because he believed in doing buisness right by dropping the title on the way out. He was happy to be going to WCW yes, because he felt he might get further but he never blamed McMahon for his lack of a push, he blamed Austin. He blamed Austin for not getting pushed, and he blamed Austin for getting in Vince's ear and backing out of the verbal contract.

There used to be pictures on DDP's official site from backstage on that last Nitro and there was a picture of Jarrett & Shane McMahon laughing and having a good time together. So yes although the facts that lead to Jarrett leaving the WWE are correct, there is still no proof of bad blood between Jarrett & McMahon no matter which way you look at it.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

Vince also made fun, of Buff Bagwell, Goldust & Road Warrior Animal on the last Nitro...all of which came back to work for Vince anyways. It was Vince's character at the time to mock others. He made just as many jokes about his current employees at the time. He couldn't cut Jarrett out of the main stream at the time because Jarrett was as you said yourself under Turner contract. Not WCW contract. Jarrett cut himself out just as Goldberg, Nash, Sting and others did at the time by refusing to take a buy out from Turner. They were unable to work for Vince by staying under Turner contract. So Vince "firing" him on Nitro didn't mean shit even if it wasn't part of the work of him buying WCW. And even from a story line it wouldn't work either as by the end of Nitro it was revealed that Shane bought WCW not Vince and therefore Vince had no authority to fire anyone from WCW.

Finally yeah Vince as I said backed out of the verbal agreement because he didn't want to sign Jarrett again. Jarrett said in multiple interviews though that he didn't care about the money Vince paid him to work that last match with Chyna, he would have done it for free because he believed in doing buisness right by dropping the title on the way out. He was happy to be going to WCW yes, because he felt he might get further but he never blamed McMahon for his lack of a push, he blamed Austin. He blamed Austin for not getting pushed, and he blamed Austin for getting in Vince's ear and backing out of the verbal contract.

There used to be pictures on DDP's official site from backstage on that last Nitro and there was a picture of Jarrett & Shane McMahon laughing and having a good time together. So yes although the facts that lead to Jarrett leaving the WWE are correct, there is still no proof of bad blood between Jarrett & McMahon no matter which way you look at it.

What? Bagwell was one of the contracts that came over on the buy. He mocked Jarrett because he plain didn't like the guy. He said it on Off the Record back in 00, and Trips made some comment on some similar show that not many people have ever gotten the best of Vince, but hinted that he was still pissed about the Jarrett stick up. And trust me, if Vince wanted anyone under Turner, he could have easily gotten them. He bought WCW solely as an ego stroke and for the hugggeeeee video library. He dismantled it, kept the few salvageable parts and buried it.

About the contracts...guess what??? Everyone in the company was on Turner contract! Guess what else? WCW was a Turner company! Gasp! Vince got whatever lower priced contracts that HE wanted (he took Books and DDP as the only "higher" deals since they had reps for not being the typical WCW diva) and they transfered. He could have taken whatever and whomever he wanted, but he's wayy to smart to pay ridiculous mark up for soon-to-be wash ups. He waited for them to stay out of the limelight and paid them a small fraction when they realized there was no where else to go. It's smart business pal, not a matter of Turner, now AOLTime Warner not wanting to turn over those ridiculous contracts, because trust me, they would have in a heart beat. So your contract argument holds NO water. Jarrett was cut out of the mainstream by Vince, he had nowhere to go after that 6 months was up. He knew it, everyone knew it. That's why that man sunk his last penny into creating TNA, so he'd have a job.

And what are you talking about no bad blood? Vince buried Jarrett after he left for WCW the first time, and true he mocked other wrestlers, but he basically didn't "fire" them. He went out to make a point that he didn't care for Jarretts comments and he wasn't welcome back in the E. If Jarrett REALLY wanted to do the right thing, why did he stick the boss up for 400 THOUSAND DOLLARS?? There's a HUGE difference from picking up an honest pay day and doing what's right for business and just plain out robbing someone. There's a reason the guy has barely made his money back in forming TNA, because Vince has not forgotten or forgiven this stupid bastard. And so fuckin what if there is a picture of him smiling with SHANE, this is a beef with VINCE. It couldn't matter what Shane feels for the guy, Vince isn't going to change his stance. And don't get started on that WCW Shane kayfabe business, because it wasn't revealed that Shane bought it until after the remarks, so yeah, still no water being held in your argument.

And all Jarretts versions of the story are bull. He's trying to make himself out to be the victim. He's not going to say Vince wasn't the reason he didn't get pushed, he's not stupid enough to dig his hole deeper. You can say what you want to say, you can argue all the pro-Jarrett nonsense you want, but the bottom line is that YOU have no proof that there is NO bad blood between the two, but when you look at the fact that the man opened his own organization and basically went flat broke broke pushing himself to the moon because he realized he had no where else to go. He didn't open TNA to compete, he opened it so he could have a job. Vince has even said on a major televsion show he doesn't care for the guy, well , frankly, no matter how YOU see it, there is more proof that Vince could give two shits about the guy, no matter what Jarrett insists. Come back however you will, but you are flat wrong. There is bad blood.

 

[This Guy]

What? Bagwell was one of the contracts that came over on the buy. He mocked Jarrett because he plain didn't like the guy. He said it on Off the Record back in 00, and Trips made some comment on some similar show that not many people have ever gotten the best of Vince, but hinted that he was still pissed about the Jarrett stick up. And trust me, if Vince wanted anyone under Turner, he could have easily gotten them. He bought WCW solely as an ego stroke and for the hugggeeeee video library. He dismantled it, kept the few salvageable parts and buried it.

About the contracts...guess what??? Everyone in the company was on Turner contract! Guess what else? WCW was a Turner company! Gasp! Vince got whatever lower priced contracts that HE wanted (he took Books and DDP as the only "higher" deals since they had reps for not being the typical WCW diva) and they transfered. He could have taken whatever and whomever he wanted, but he's wayy to smart to pay ridiculous mark up for soon-to-be wash ups. He waited for them to stay out of the limelight and paid them a small fraction when they realized there was no where else to go. It's smart business pal, not a matter of Turner, now AOLTime Warner not wanting to turn over those ridiculous contracts, because trust me, they would have in a heart beat. So your contract argument holds NO water. Jarrett was cut out of the mainstream by Vince, he had nowhere to go after that 6 months was up. He knew it, everyone knew it. That's why that man sunk his last penny into creating TNA, so he'd have a job.

And what are you talking about no bad blood? Vince buried Jarrett after he left for WCW the first time, and true he mocked other wrestlers, but he basically didn't "fire" them. He went out to make a point that he didn't care for Jarretts comments and he wasn't welcome back in the E. If Jarrett REALLY wanted to do the right thing, why did he stick the boss up for 400 THOUSAND DOLLARS?? There's a HUGE difference from picking up an honest pay day and doing what's right for business and just plain out robbing someone. There's a reason the guy has barely made his money back in forming TNA, because Vince has not forgotten or forgiven this stupid bastard. And so fuckin what if there is a picture of him smiling with SHANE, this is a beef with VINCE. It couldn't matter what Shane feels for the guy, Vince isn't going to change his stance. And don't get started on that WCW Shane kayfabe business, because it wasn't revealed that Shane bought it until after the remarks, so yeah, still no water being held in your argument.

And all Jarretts versions of the story are bull. He's trying to make himself out to be the victim. He's not going to say Vince wasn't the reason he didn't get pushed, he's not stupid enough to dig his hole deeper. You can say what you want to say, you can argue all the pro-Jarrett nonsense you want, but the bottom line is that YOU have no proof that there is NO bad blood between the two, but when you look at the fact that the man opened his own organization and basically went flat broke broke pushing himself to the moon because he realized he had no where else to go. He didn't open TNA to compete, he opened it so he could have a job. Vince has even said on a major televsion show he doesn't care for the guy, well , frankly, no matter how YOU see it, there is more proof that Vince could give two shits about the guy, no matter what Jarrett insists. Come back however you will, but you are flat wrong. There is bad blood.

See your wrong again though, not everyone was under turner contract. After the Time Warner/Turner merger wrestlers contracts were renewed and signed as WCW Contracted employees. So when Vince bought WCW he bought those contracts, thats how guys like Helms, & Storm were at Mania right aways that year, guys like Hugh Morris and Booker T. All under WCW contracts. Guys like Nash, Luger, Sting, Goldberg, Jarrett etc were still under old Turner contracts making them employees of TimeWarner/Turner not WCW. WCW was just the division they were assigned too. Just as all executives in WCW were Time Warner/Turner employees. So your little they were all under Turner contracts is wrong. Your right though that it would have cost Vince a lot of money to convice those guys a ton of money to take a buy out. Vince didn't do it because he was smart not too, he did it because after the buy out of WCW, WWF didn't exactly have a lot of extra money to throw around. WWF was still only in the recovery years from the bitter Monday Night Wars. Vince couldn't aford those contracts. DDP took his buy out because he wanted to keep working before he was forgotten about. Booker T. was actually under a WCW contract and came over when the company was bought automatically.

Again, you say I have no proof. Yet your proof is Vince & Triple H saying he doesn't like him. My proof is Jarrett saying he has no problems with Vince. How is your proof any truer then mine? Just because Vince doesn't like someone doesn't mean there is bad blood. He doesn't like a lot of people it doesn't stop him from working with him. Guys like Eric Bischoff there was bad blood because Eric almost put him out of buisness. Eric still came in and they got along just fine. Vince suposedly doesn't like Christian. Didn't stop them from resigning Christian and putting him in Money in the Bank.

The facts are this.

1) Jarrett never held up Vince to work that last match with Chyna. I have heard both Vince & Jarrett in past interviews testify to that fact.

2) Jarrett has gone on record multiple times that he doesn't blame Vince for him never getting pushed in WWE, he blames Austin.

3) Just becuase Vince makes fun of someone doesn't mean he has bad blood with him...face facts he's made fun of everyone, there was Bad Blood with Bret Hart and they have basically kissed and made up that Bret has worked on projects (DVD) and appeared (Hall of Fame) and done multiple interviews how yeah its not the same as it was, but in time it might be.

4) The wrestlers in WCW were not all under Turner contracts. Listen to Lance Storm and Helms talk about this. Both were under WCW contracts while others were under Time Warner/Turner Contracts. Only the WCW Contracted wrestlers transfered to the WWE automatically. The rest did not. They would have had to take a buy out from Time Warner and then negotiate a new contract with Vince. (Bagwell did yes, DDP did yes, maybe Booker as well though I believe he had renegotiated prior to the buy out and was now under WCW contract) Jarrett, Goldberg, Sting, Luger, Nash, Stiener, etc. all refused buy outs so that they could sit at home and collect major paychecks still.

So again, Vince making fun of Jarrett does not automatically mean bad blood. The point was people saying Jarrett would never work with Vince again, and the point is in wrestling, never say never because many have still come back and done just that. Reguardless I was pointing out that there was no bad blood on Jarretts end...even if there is on Vince's which I don't believe there is and even if there is, its more probably now because of TNA and the stuff from the past is not really even thought of anymore. And to say that Jarrett and Vince could never work together again is rediculous.

I would think by now with all the shocking things we have seen in the past in pro wresting we would stop saying ``never going to happen.``

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

See, this, this right here, is good, good debate. I want to thank you for being classy and informative without being derogative and beligerent. Not a whole lot of you on the net in general

About those contracts, I heard from Vince interviews and old Meltzer shows from the AOL days that Vince had first pickings on who he wanted, and since he basically was just buying the company to put it out, he took the cheap route. After he selected the mandatory number of tracts he had to take in, the former WCW contracts became AOLTW contracts since they had sold off the subsidiary and the taken assets. Jarrett's was simply not wanted more than the fact that he was over paid or couldn't be taken.Thats what I heard then and have never heard otherwise. News and stories vary after the years in this biz. I guess it just depends on who you trust for your wrestling gossip, but I'd never call Lance Storm a liar, the man is one of the straightest shooters ever.

Jarrett wont blame Vince for ANYTHING. He can't. It's bad to have burned a bridge, but just like the friction between the Harts, Hogan and Bischoff, none of them never accused Vince of anything or slandered him in public, the actions spoke for themselves. Jarrett blaming Austin is his way of saying "Vince wont push me" because no matter who is in his ear, Vince is Vince and he does what he wants to. Austin has never been accused of being a backstage politician, he just flat out refused to work a program with Jarrett, because lets face it, Jarrett always had a solid mid-card to upper mid card role in the WWF and that was perfect for him. He was always in the IC title scene and he had a nice tag title run with Owen, then a great IC title run before he left. To say he was pushed down because of Austin is ridiculous. In hindsight,seeing how terrible his WCW title runs were and how the numbers dipped to all time lows under his first two reigns, can you blame Austin for not wanting to work a program with the guy. I'm not saying Austin was looking into the future, but he's a business savvy guy and maybe he thought Jarrett just wasn't the guy to work a program with the hottest act in wrestling history, and he was right. I can't recall of Austin having any personal grudges, or at least any documented, with Jarrett. I think it was purely a business decision and Jarrett had gotten but hurt and petty about the issue but I can't see how Austin can really be blamed for him not being pushed. Pushes all depend on Vince and only Vince. People can have his ear but in the end he has final say. Randy and Trips don't get along whatsoever but Vince still pushes Orts as a top heel. I think Vince viewed Jarrett the sameway he views Christian nowadays; a serviceable worker who is a fine fit in the midcard but not overwhelming enough to main event.

And while there may be no bad blood on Jarretts end, I think Vince still is somewhat perturbed by it and was probably pissed about it when it happened. Vince was always pissed about WCW but he never mentioned his frustration with them in public, it would make him look vulnerable and perturbed by his competition. So I figure he must've been really angered enough to discuss it albeit briefly (which is more than the usual skirting he did when asked the tough qs back then) on national tv. That seems like bad blood. But apples and oranges. Nice debate.

 

[This Guy]

I don't really see the point to discussing the Jarrett/Vince thing, because were basically saying the same thing at this point. Again, I don't believe that Jarrett actually holds any grudges towards Vince, and although Vince many have a grudge with Jarrett now over TNA, I don't think there was any serious long lasting grudge that would have come out of Jarrett leaving the last time and I'm sure in time had he not started TNA and gotten involved with World Wrestling All-Stars, he probably would have eventually returned to the WWE. Would he have been main eventing? probably not. But I think he would have been back, and still believe its rediculous to think that it still couldn't happen.

As for the contracts issue, it was the WCW contracts he had the option of not taking as part of the deal, not the Turner/TimeWarner AOL whatever you want to call them contracts. But its still undetermined what Vince's intent was with WCW. Many including myself believe it was not actually his intent to do so. The WWE spent a lot of money re trademarking WCW licences after the purchase and even started booking venues for WCW Live Events and TV Tapings for the Fall of 2001 which was the projected relaunch time of WCW. Its beleived that Vince's original idea when he bought WCW was to relaunch it as a second brand simalar to what he ended up doing a few years later anyways with Raw & Smackdown and now ECW as well. There would be the WWE brand and the WCW brand. I think the invasion angle started as a way to build WCW, but when it didn't really get the attention they thought it would I think they just went in the direction it ended up going in.

 

[★Chuck Zombie★]

What has Jeff Jarrett ever done to be HOF worthy? He won the IC Title, wrestled a woman (at least I think she's a woman >_>), and won a World Title at a dying company. It's like fucking a drunk chick, you technically fucked her, but it does nothing for your reputation.

You botched that line.

He basically fucked the passed out girls and said "I'm the man!" and he's been doin it for years

Drunk counts, passed out doesn't.