Sooooo. Another Ziggler thread goddammit

[Dolph'sZiggler]

But you agree that he was better off in his old role?

No. Not at all.

 

[Snowman1]

Don't see why WWE has to be on their high horses about this shit. If you're Vince, why should it matter to you that he pissed the Modern-Day Kliq off? Why are you listening to him and throwing away somebody who OBVIOUSLY can make you more money than most main-eventers?

Guess we don't know why this high school drama is so important because we're not backstage

 

[Mean Smark Callous]

2 things.

1.) Anyone notice how pissed he was when his entrance theme was cut short? He looked disgusted lol. He looked back towards the ramp like "you have got to be fucking kidding me"

2.) Things are worse than ever. He lost to ADR on two moves. An arm breaker and one kick. He is being buried booking-wise, he is still over though because he is such a beast. I'm convinced WWE will never push him, just feed him to heels they want to push.

Thoughts?

my thoughts are that he is awesome and in a perfect world he would be at least IC champ right now. why is he being buried did he piss vince off?

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

my thoughts are that he is awesome and in a perfect world he would be at least IC champ right now. why is he being buried did he piss vince off?

He pissed Orton off.

"I've made it clear; I'm not patient at all - several times. I've been very vocal about my position on the card and in the company. I'm not trying to say 'Hey, everybody sucks and I'm great!' But I love doing this, and at some point you go 'OK, It's not my time right now and I got to figure something out' And when it's time, that's when I must go out there and make as huge of an impact as I can and let everyone know 'I dare you to follow that, I dare you try something better.'

And when they don't (counter or match what I'm doing in the ring) I'm very outspoken about it and it can get me into very hot water (with the company). Then you never know where we're going. Everybody can be just so outspoken about taller guys, and guys like Randy Orton being the face of the WWE, the WWE Championship. I dare you to put me in a back alley with Randy Orton or someone like that. I guarantee I'm not afraid of someone taller."

 

[Tgmiveld]

as good as ziggler is, he is nowhere near in orton's league

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

as good as ziggler is, he is nowhere near in orton's league

Height-wise and that is it. He would beat the brakes off of Orton in a shoot fight, which is ultimately the comment that seems to have landed him in such hot water.

I'm not even going to argue Orton vs Ziggler as entertainers lol. We are talking my favorite vs my least favorite, what is there to say? Nothing will be accomplished by the two of us discussing Orton.

 

[edge4ever]

as good as ziggler is, he is nowhere near in orton's league

Are you kidding? He's in Orton's league and beyond. The issue with Ziggler is that they don't like him being so outspoken and honest about how he feels. I think he's right, much like I feel that Punk was right about stuff. WWE doesn't like being bossed around, however. They didn't like it when Punk did this or anyone for that matter. The difference with Punk, however, is that he made it big with the fans when they gave him the chance. Not that Ziggler isn't big, but he never got to that point when given some spotlight. Mainly WWE's fault as they didn't give him enough time.

 

[Brad.]

Oh hell no yet ok ziggler enough off jobber threads blffl lock just me again with a pipebomb ipebomb: peace

 

[F.R.I.E]

And this is how he's treated after cutting the GPOAT? Damn.......

 

[RoyalRaven]

Life's tough when you root for jobbers. Someone's gotta do it though.

Come back when Sin Cara/Heath Slater are your 2 Favourite wrestlers.

 

[Danielson]

He needs to have his entire gimmick and character re-done. It's so awful that it's almost hard to look past it at times and notice how great of a worker he is(okay it's not that hard, he's a great worker) But, I don't want to see him come out in a pink shirt, shaking his ass, and calling himself "the show-off". That shit can work if he is a heel, much like Rick Rude, but as a baby face it's awful imo. Most dudes won't buy his bright t-shirts. Not saying there is anything wrong with liking those colors, I just don't know a lot of people rocking that junk. It's almost like he is destined to amount to nothing with that gimmick, merch, etc. If it was doing good, it would force Vince's hand(Think Daniel Bryan) A stellar crowd at RR cheering him on isn't going to change Vince's mind. Perhaps, if he gets a decent opportunity at mania, it may, but for the foreseeable future, I see nothing for DZ. Sad, because he is one of my favorite in ring guys.

Ziggler marks, trust me, I want him to succeed just as much as you, but his character is not interesting to me at all. Maybe the disgruntled employee might work for him, it has for others, but I doubt it.

Get rid of the hair
Get rid of the nick name "show-off"
Stop shaking his ass
Get better merch

Trust me, I know, some of these things are out of his control, but I believe if half of these things changed you would see a Bryan like following. He's that good.

 

[Brad.]

Agree with everything there. His current character sucks and I don't blame creative for not using him well.

 

[edge4ever]

He needs to have his entire gimmick and character re-done. It's so awful that it's almost hard to look past it at times and notice how great of a worker he is(okay it's not that hard, he's a great worker) But, I don't want to see him come out in a pink shirt, shaking his ass, and calling himself "the show-off". That shit can work if he is a heel, much like Rick Rude, but as a baby face it's awful imo. Most dudes won't buy his bright t-shirts. Not saying there is anything wrong with liking those colors, I just don't know a lot of people rocking that junk. It's almost like he is destined to amount to nothing with that gimmick, merch, etc. If it was doing good, it would force Vince's hand(Think Daniel Bryan) A stellar crowd at RR cheering him on isn't going to change Vince's mind. Perhaps, if he gets a decent opportunity at mania, it may, but for the foreseeable future, I see nothing for DZ. Sad, because he is one of my favorite in ring guys.

Ziggler marks, trust me, I want him to succeed just as much as you, but his character is not interesting to me at all. Maybe the disgruntled employee might work for him, it has for others, but I doubt it.

Get rid of the hair
Get rid of the nick name "show-off"
Stop shaking his ass
Get better merch

Trust me, I know, some of these things are out of his control, but I believe if half of these things changed you would see a Bryan like following. He's that good.

I agree with you completely. His gimmick is stale. And he needs an overhaul. His ring work and presence alone, after his make over, will help him win crowds. WWE has gold with DZ and they're ruining it.

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

Come back when Sin Cara/Heath Slater are your 2 Favourite wrestlers.

I can't help that you have terrible taste.

 

[Mean Smark Callous]

Come back when Sin Cara/Heath Slater are your 2 Favourite wrestlers.

only in wwe would someone like sin cara be a jobber. he should go back to cmll/aaa where they give a shit about luchadors.