So true.

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Crayo said:
The argument isn't about whether you can be touched, it's about whether being touched actually stops your attack or the move but doesn't force you over, would going over be a dive? If Ronaldo goes through two players, and is about to score but a defender pulls his shirt back but doesn't pull Ronaldo over, would Ronaldo going over be a dive? The shirt-pull which is against the rules is a foul, but no ref gives it unless you go down, so would Ronaldo be right in going down by his own will against an illegal move which has stopped his chance at scoring?

By your logic, he should be red carded. Lol.

My logic is he shouldn't go down unless he's forced down. the ref should see its a foul if it impedes his forward movement. The onus is on the players being responsible so that the refs can do thier jobs properly.
 

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Senhor Perfect said:
My logic is he shouldn't go down unless he's forced down. the ref should see its a foul if it impedes his forward movement. The onus is on the players being responsible so that the refs can do thier jobs properly.

But the ref would not blow a foul if Ronaldo is still moving forward, else you would expect him to blow a foul every single time anyone's shirt is pulled in the box during a corner. And if he did that, there would be a penalty at every corner. So if Ronaldo doesn't go down, the attack is over and the opponents get the ball. If he does go down, he gets a penalty kick. He has a right to get the foul as he HAS been fouled, but without going down, it is not given.

See how your logic of punishing them there and then is flawed now? It is impossible to judge what classes as a dive unless it is blatant.
 

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Crayo said:
But the ref would not blow a foul if Ronaldo is still moving forward, else you would expect him to blow a foul every single time anyone's shirt is pulled in the box during a corner. And if he did that, there would be a penalty at every corner. So if Ronaldo doesn't go down, the attack is over and the opponents get the ball. If he does go down, he gets a penalty kick. He has a right to get the foul as he HAS been fouled, but without going down, it is not given.

See how your logic of punishing them there and then is flawed now? It is impossible to judge what classes as a dive unless it is blatant.

If no one dove, there wouldn't be that problem at all.