So true.

[Crayo]

Diving is a fucking epidemic in all of world football. It should be a red card offence IMO, the only way to really stop it.

This will benefit you, and counters that ideology:

GOAT analyst :gary:

 

[Gav back in the championship]

This will benefit you, and counters that ideology:

GOAT analyst :gary:

Bes pundit around imo

 

[Robbie Coletrain]

George Friend broke his nose and carried on playing for us, no way would you see that in Spain.
Although Cesc Fabregas did break his leg and carry on playing.

 

[Crayo]

Bes pundit around imo

Yep.

 

[Senhor Perfect]

This will benefit you, and counters that ideology:

GOAT analyst :gary:

My opinion remains, sure he shouldn't have stuck his leg out in that particular situation, but overall diving has ruined so many games I've watched. I'm sick of it.

 

[Crayo]

My opinion remains, sure he shouldn't have stuck his leg out in that particular situation, but overall diving has ruined so many games I've watched. I'm sick of it.

How do you counter Gary's point though? What if the referee interprets something as a dive when it wasn't? For example: Gareth Bale was travelling at so much speed that a little knock on his knee knocked him over, and it was a definite penalty. But, at normal speed and at a certain angle it looked like a dive. By your logic, sending Gareth Bale off -- their most influential player -- is the correct move. Not only would he miss that important game, but he would miss the next three for something he hasn't done.

It's not the way to go. Yellow cards are fine, and maybe if the dive is completely blatant then action by the FA (fines, missed games) could be implemented, but you seriously can not do much else. Let me paint you two more scenarios.

1) If you run into the box, skill past the player but there isn't an opportunity on goal, and their player has left their leg out which does obstruct your movement forward, is going over the leg and falling to the floor a dive? You might say yes, but if that leg that should not be there is in some way effecting your movement forward which is effecting the attack illegally, isn't that a foul? Look at how fine the margins are.

2) If you are running into the box again (or anywhere else on the field) and a player behind you is pulling your shirt, is going down without force a dive? Pulling your shirt isn't enough to push you to the ground but the referee would not give you a penalty if you stay on your feet, so is falling to the floor without being forced to a dive? If such a player didn't fall to the floor, then he is being illegally stopped by this shirt pulling isn't he? That's a foul, and if he is fouled, it is a penalty.

Gary sums it up better than I can on a post, but he is completely right.

 

[Robbie Coletrain]

I remember mine and Crayo's talk on this back on the old FF, good times. :yay:

 

[Crayo]

I remember mine and Crayo's talk on this back on the old FF, good times. :yay:

I miss it :sad:

 

[Robbie Coletrain]

I miss it :sad:

Me too, I was way more active on there when it first opened than even here, those first 3 days were the best of my life. :upset:

 

[seabs]

Let Hoss run this place and build that one up properly #Sorted also ban all Sunderland fans.

 

[Senhor Perfect]

How do you counter Gary's point though? What if the referee interprets something as a dive when it wasn't? For example: Gareth Bale was travelling at so much speed that a little knock on his knee knocked him over, and it was a definite penalty. But, at normal speed and at a certain angle it looked like a dive. By your logic, sending Gareth Bale off -- their most influential player -- is the correct move. Not only would he miss that important game, but he would miss the next three for something he hasn't done.

It's not the way to go. Yellow cards are fine, and maybe if the dive is completely blatant then action by the FA (fines, missed games) could be implemented, but you seriously can not do much else. Let me paint you two more scenarios.

1) If you run into the box, skill past the player but there isn't an opportunity on goal, and their player has left their leg out which does obstruct your movement forward, is going over the leg and falling to the floor a dive? You might say yes, but if that leg that should not be there is in some way effecting your movement forward which is effecting the attack illegally, isn't that a foul? Look at how fine the margins are.

2) If you are running into the box again (or anywhere else on the field) and a player behind you is pulling your shirt, is going down without force a dive? Pulling your shirt isn't enough to push you to the ground but the referee would not give you a penalty if you stay on your feet, so is falling to the floor without being forced to a dive? If such a player didn't fall to the floor, then he is being illegally stopped by this shirt pulling isn't he? That's a foul, and if he is fouled, it is a penalty.

Gary sums it up better than I can on a post, but he is completely right.

You cant completely take all contact out of the sport. Sure guys are going to be pulling shirts, or bumping, or something else. As long as its not hard enough to take you off of your feet, or injure you, have at it. These are men playing the game, they should be able to take a little push or bump. Ronaldo used to be one of the biggest offenders and it drove me mad. If he can stop for the most part, so can everyone else. It's not a sport anymore if you can't be touched at all. Maybe it's the fact that I live in Canada and love hockey so mo much. Fighting for position with your body makes it much more interesting to watch. If all contact and/or pushing is ruled a foul, then it makes for a boring game.

 

[seabs]

Consistency is the major issue IMO, guys are sent off for a challenge one week, the next they're not even booked for the same challenge.

 

[seabs]

BRACE YOURSELF PEOPLE CRAYO HAS BEEN REPLYING FOR A FEW MINUTES NOW.

 

[Crayo]

You cant completely take all contact out of the sport. Sure guys are going to be pulling shirts, or bumping, or something else. As long as its not hard enough to take you off of your feet, or injure you, have at it. These are men playing the game, they should be able to take a little push or bump. Ronaldo used to be one of the biggest offenders and it drove me mad. If he can stop for the most part, so can everyone else. It's not a sport anymore if you can't be touched at all. Maybe it's the fact that I live in Canada and love hockey so mo much. Fighting for position with your body makes it much more interesting to watch. If all contact and/or pushing is ruled a foul, then it makes for a boring game.

The argument isn't about whether you can be touched, it's about whether being touched actually stops your attack or the move but doesn't force you over, would going over be a dive? If Ronaldo goes through two players, and is about to score but a defender pulls his shirt back but doesn't pull Ronaldo over, would Ronaldo going over be a dive? The shirt-pull which is against the rules is a foul, but no ref gives it unless you go down, so would Ronaldo be right in going down by his own will against an illegal move which has stopped his chance at scoring?

By your logic, he should be red carded. Lol.

 

[Crayo]

Consistency is the major issue IMO, guys are sent off for a challenge one week, the next they're not even booked for the same challenge.

Definitely. Applies to all areas of the game though.