Seth Rollins' overness

[Prince Bálor]

When you think about it, a babyface turn might be all that makes sense. They have booked him as such a weak champion that one if two things seem likely at Battleground: 1. He will continue being a weak champion and lose the belt and the Authority and turn because he has nowhere else to go or 2. He will put on a hell of a match against Lesnar and then regardless of winning or losing, he will get fan appreciation for it.

I know the third option is this will be yet another Authority match where Kane and JJ will help Rollins keep the belt, but with Brock only wrestling a couple matches a year, WWE would be reaching the pinnacle of stupidity wasting one of them like that.

To answer the original question, no, Rollins has been nothing but a bad joke of a champion, which sucks because I thought he would make a good champ. I think, in addition to other things, his title reign is one of the reasons Raw is in the toilet right now and something needs to change.

- I like option #2 best. Him losing the title to Brock after putting on a helluva fight, then getting fan appreciation for it and turning face would be swell.

Of course, if that scenario happens, then HHH would surely trigger Rollins' face turn.
I imagine if Rollins were to lose the title at Battleground, HHH would come to the ring (either at the PPV itself or the next night on RAW) and lay a beating on him.

- The third option is lame and that's probably what WWE will be going for. *puke*

- Rollins is the definition of a weak champion. I never thought he'd be booked like Lesnar, but I at least thought he wouldn't have to win the majority of his matches with the help of his goons.

- Yeah, RAW's been in the toilet for a while. And it's funny how the guy we hate the most (Cena) is the best part of the show along with KO.

 

[Jacob Fox]

Yeah, RAW's been in the toilet for a while. And it's funny how the guy we hate the most (Cena) is the best part of the show along with KO.

The irony has definitely not been lost on me. Sigh.

 

[Snowman1]

Think there's any validity to the segments that he's in being very anti-pop? Like when he comes out to start the show, I don't think "boooooo Seth", I think "Aww hell, here comes 30 minutes of talking"

 

[Wacokid27]

I'm curious.

I know we "all knew" that Brock was working a limited number of dates under his old contract, but that was also keeping him fresh and available if he decided to go back to UFC.

Was there an official press release from WWE (or Brock Lesnar, for that matter) that told us he was still locked-in to a "small number of appearances per year" deal or is this just something we "all know"? I mean, his "kicking UFC to the curb" was pretty emphatic. It seemed pretty obvious he's in with WWE for the rest of his career. And I'm not saying he's contracted to be on every show or even every episode of Raw, but it strikes me they might have at least guaranteed his availability for every PPV and half of the Raw eps a year. It would seem a little silly to me if they didn't (Note: I can already hear some of you going "but he hasn't worked every PPV!!11!111one"....I know that; I didn't say they should use him at every PPV....he works better as a "special attraction"; I'm just saying it would have made better business sense by WWE, if the could, to at least make sure he COULD contractually be required to work every PPV).

wk

 

[The GOAT]

I'm curious.

I know we "all knew" that Brock was working a limited number of dates under his old contract, but that was also keeping him fresh and available if he decided to go back to UFC.

Was there an official press release from WWE (or Brock Lesnar, for that matter) that told us he was still locked-in to a "small number of appearances per year" deal or is this just something we "all know"? I mean, his "kicking UFC to the curb" was pretty emphatic. It seemed pretty obvious he's in with WWE for the rest of his career. And I'm not saying he's contracted to be on every show or even every episode of Raw, but it strikes me they might have at least guaranteed his availability for every PPV and half of the Raw eps a year. It would seem a little silly to me if they didn't (Note: I can already hear some of you going "but he hasn't worked every PPV!!11!111one"....I know that; I didn't say they should use him at every PPV....he works better as a "special attraction"; I'm just saying it would have made better business sense by WWE, if the could, to at least make sure he COULD contractually be required to work every PPV).

wk

The only things that have been 'confirmed' for sure is that he's signed for three more years and that it was "an offer he couldn't refuse", in Brock's own words during his interview with Michelle Beadle.

I think it's a bit crazy to think Brock would ever agree to work a loaded schedule again. The traveling was one of the main reasons he left WWE in the first place eleven years ago, and Brock made reference to that during his interview with Beadie as well (when he said the only thing he ever hated about the business was the miles and that he was proud to be in the fortunate position to have the deal that everyone wants - full-time pay for part-time work.) Heyman's also made mention many times before about how Brock has no interest in ever working a full schedule again, even analogously comparing him to the Christmas holiday and saying that the reason Christmas is so special is because it only comes along once a year (or as far as Brock goes, three or four times a year.)

 

[Wacokid27]

The only things that have been 'confirmed' for sure is that he's signed for three more years and that it was "an offer he couldn't refuse", in Brock's own words during his interview with Michelle Beadle.

I think it's a bit crazy to think Brock would ever agree to work a loaded schedule again. The traveling was one of the main reasons he left WWE in the first place eleven years ago, and Brock made reference to that during his interview with Beadie as well (when he said the only thing he ever hated about the business was the miles and that he was proud to be in the fortunate position to have the deal that everyone wants - full-time pay for part-time work.) Heyman's also made mention many times before about how Brock has no interest in ever working a full schedule again, even analogously comparing him to the Christmas holiday and saying that the reason Christmas is so special is because it only comes along once a year (or as far as Brock goes, three or four times a year.)

Thanks.

And, I can accept every bit of that, but I think it's funny how many people talk about "wasting dates" when we don't know how many dates were in the agreement. Or, honestly, if it's a "per-appearance" deal or what. I just know that it's July and he's only been on WWE TV/PPV around a half-dozen times (I type that knowing that somebody around here knows exactly how many times he's appeared on such media in 2015...and since Wrestlemania...and probably won't be able to resist playing "Mr. Know-It-All" :letroll. I would think that this Japan deal might be an extra thing considering his popularity in Japan (and since I'm 99% sure he's not working it for free, but he might have been offered an incentive to take an extra show for the trip).

(This part's not directed to the quote above, but to the general thread):

Back to Mr. Rollins, though...don't get me wrong, I think he's been a terrific heel "entitled", weak champion. The fact that we're debating his weakness versus his overness is exactly what WWE was hoping for. I'm personally enjoying his run precisely because it's different from the dominant run Lesnar had. I think he's had a terrific heel run and they could keep him heel and he'll (heh, heh) do well. He's just a natural babyface.

wk

 

[edge4ever]

I suppose this thread will be a two part thread.

Stage one : Is Seth as over a heel as he should be at this stage? Currently this is a big no from me, he's getting near silence when he's coming out it seems, this gets better during his promos but he can't get that initial reaction others can.

Stage two : How would you improve his overness? Let's try and keep it relatively realistic here, how would you run with his character development? How would you build the universe around him?

"Stage one : Is Seth as over a heel as he should be at this stage? Currently this is a big no from me, he's getting near silence when he's coming out it seems, this gets better during his promos but he can't get that initial reaction others can. "

I feel that Seth's character was messed up a while ago. Seth is great in the ring, no complaints. He's mic skills are kind of dull, but they he has gotten better. But his in ring persona and image is nothing more than a bitch gimmick. I've said that before several times. I'm not saying that them using this angle for a while was a bad thing, but they seem to not want to let it go: the "undeserving" champion if you will (I like to think of it as he's a "bitch" and that's it). I say they drop the bitch gimmick. They kind of did this at MITB with Dean Ambrose, but overall Rollins always seems to go back to needing 5 people to help him win a match even against a mid card guy.

Again, the bitch gimmick can work for a while, but it doesn't last for long. He just doesn't seem credible in any fashion. Authority has him coming in night in and night out having everyone literally wrestle his matches for hi, what do you expect a crowd to do? It gets boring, dull, and make Rollins look bad. Bad meaning fans won't care about him enough to even boo him.

Stage two : How would you improve his overness? Let's try and keep it relatively realistic here, how would you run with his character development? How would you build the universe around him?

Simple: make Rollins look more credible. He can have people help him win, but he shouldn't need it all the time and let him use cheap tactics on his own. Enable him to be more ruthless, much like Triple H was back in the day. He should have no issues making use of a sledgehammer on Brock or Roman. And stand over them mercilessly as they're out cold. People would boo him more and care more because he's a badass.

 

[CFCrusader]

It would be nice if WWE didn't make RAW a steaming pile of shit every week aside from the rare Lesnar/Heyman appearances (and they even fucked that up), Cena vs Owens, New Day and Cesaro.

 

[Trip in the Head]

I'd kinda like to see them pull a double turn with Seth where it looks like he'll go babyface and just swerve everyone hard and do something to get even more heat. What that is or could be I do not know however. Maybe help Ambrose/Reigns get the title after Brock beats Rollins, only to double cross them somehow? I dunno.