Seth Rollins' overness

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I think they're gonna turn Seth babyface, so yeah, him not getting that booed is not really an issue. Brock vs Cesaro does seem great also.
 

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Lesnar/Cesaro would have seemed a much better match than Kingston/Lesnar.

Balor/Owens will be amazing, though.

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After Bork wrecks Rollins at Battleground, (after Rollins had put on a helluva fight), I'm totally expecting to see Rollins as a babyface come SummerSlam time.

Might as well face HHH, so yeah, a face turn, please! His heel character has been stale for a while now.
 

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1. How many heels DO come out to some type of reaction? Not every heel is greeted with a whole chorus of boos when they make their entrance, and even the ones that are don't always receive that type of reaction each and every night. The heat usually arrives whenever they purposely start trying to instigate negative reactions through their words or actions during a promo or a match. Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention lately, but it seems like Rollins DOES still get pretty consistent "You Sold Out" chants.

2. Well, committing dastardly acts against babyfaces is generally the way heels draw heat on themselves, so that. Brock Lesnar and Dean Ambrose are the two top babyfaces on the show at the moment (I view Lesnar more of a 'tweener' but he's being booked in a more babyface capacity right now, so it's fair to refer to him as one) and they're both feuding with The Authority, so you can't do much more than that. At this point, Seth managing to slip away with the championship - especially if he pulls out a dirty win over Brock Lesnar via pinfall - and bragging that he was the one to finally bring down The Beast would get him a good amount of heat, but in no way would it be worth having Seth be the one to pin Lesnar just for that, especially with rumors of him probably turning face sooner than later anyway.
 

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I think they're gonna turn Seth babyface, so yeah, him not getting that booed is not really an issue. Brock vs Cesaro does seem great also.
He doesn't get too strong a response at all though does he? Will that effect his babyface turn at all?
 

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He doesn't get too strong a response at all though does he? Will that effect his babyface turn at all?
Seth has overall had strong reactions from what I have seen, some crowds are odder than others but Seth as a performer lends himself alot to being a babyface.
 

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1. How many heels DO come out to some type of reaction? Not every heel is greeted with a whole chorus of boos when they make their entrance, and even the ones that are don't always receive that type of reaction each and every night. The heat usually arrives whenever they purposely start trying to instigate negative reactions through their words or actions during a promo or a match. Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention lately, but it seems like Rollins DOES still get pretty consistent "You Sold Out" chants.
Is that enough though given his push?
 

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Seth has overall had strong reactions from what I have seen, some crowds are odder than others but Seth as a performer lends himself alot to being a babyface.

This.

Seth is a natural babyface, which means he actually has to work harder at being "dastardly" to be a heel. That's nothing against him because he does what he needs to do generally to get over as a heel. It just becomes the crowd's natural inclination to cheer him if he "lets up on the gas" of being a heel.

In that way, he's a lot like HBK or, for a more recent example, Alberto Del Rio.

All three guys are good-looking guys with movesets and real-life personalities that reach out to people in the audience at a personal level. When Michaels needed to be a heel, he typically had to work harder at it than, say, Triple H (who's more of a natural heel). Similarly, when ADR (or AEP, I guess now) wants to be a heel, he has to work harder at it than a Mil Muertes (who is a more natural heel).

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He doesn't get too strong a response at all though does he? Will that effect his babyface turn at all?
I don't think that's much of a problem because he's in the transitional period (they have already teased him doing some babyface stuff) between alignments, so it's natural that people are going to be not so negative but not yet so positive (although being honest here I haven't watched Raw in couple of weeks so I really don't know how he's doing, mostly saying from what I recall).
 

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Is that enough though given his push?

Eh, I guess. Heat is heat. Besides, who else on the roster (excluding Cena of course, because reasons) can say they're more hated than Rollins is right now? The only person who gets a negative reaction on par with Seth or the rest of The Authority that comes to mind is Sheamus (or maybe Rusev, but he's midcard), and it's likely that we'll be seeing him cashing in the briefcase and replacing Seth as The Authority's champion here before long.

Plus, as others have said, Seth feels like he'd make a much more natural babyface anyway (he feels like he'd make the perfect hybrid of a HBK/Jeff Hardy type of performer and character), but at the same time, they've already invested so much into getting Seth over as a top heel that they may as well continue to bleed it for all it's worth. Seth has so many years left to look forward to in his career that there isn't any need to rush his face turn or anything.
 

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Yup. WWE decided to upgrade a house show in Tokyo to a live special, bring in Brock since he apparently wanted to work a match in Japan or something (I can't see another reason for him agreeing to it outside of massive amounts of money) and decided to bring Balor along since he is a legitimate draw in Japan as well.

He was going to Japan for some sort of MMA event, saw there was an Asian tour on the schedule then and asked if he can do that because hey, that pays for travel, woo!

Don't see why the the thought of Brock mauling the life out of poor Kofi is such a strange thought and being blasted so hard. I can't wait for this!
 

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He was going to Japan for some sort of MMA event, saw there was an Asian tour on the schedule then and asked if he can do that because hey, that pays for travel, woo!

Don't see why the the thought of Brock mauling the life out of poor Kofi is such a strange thought and being blasted so hard. I can't wait for this!

My only concern is whether this'll count as one of Brock's limited number of contracted matches or not. I'm hoping it doesn't since Brock was already headed overseas anyway and Kofi is obviously only intended to be a squash opponent, which is to say that it'll literally demand about the same amount of energy and work from Brock to swiftly defeat Kofi as it would if he were to just show up and destroy The New Day in a normal segment on Raw or something.

If it does, then it was pretty cheap to throw someone like Kofi Brock's way instead of another superstar who could have put on a much more entertaining and competitive match.
 

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My only concern is whether this'll count as one of Brock's limited number of contracted matches or not. I'm hoping it doesn't since Brock was already headed overseas anyway and Kofi is obviously only intended to be a squash opponent, which is to say that it'll literally demand about the same amount of energy and work from Brock to swiftly defeat Kofi as it would if he were to just show up and destroy The New Day in a normal segment on Raw or something.

If it does, then it was pretty cheap to throw someone like Kofi Brock's way instead of another superstar who could have put on a much more entertaining and competitive match.

I'm assuming it isn't a contracted date and more of a spur of the moment house show thing, so just getting a bonus Brock appearance is nothing but good news. As for it not being a competitive dream match... Yeah, at a house show like this it's a great time to let Cesaro and Lesnar throw haymakers at each other without spots on the card mattering, but hey, if we're getting a New Day promo plus free Lesnar killing poor Kofi, I sure as hell won't complain. Lol.

I'm so in the minority here, but Rollins as a heel has a lot of potential. Showed me quite a bit during his comically cocky super-arrogant one day run before Lesnar came out, and during so many of his promos (now and even back when the Shield was a thing) there's just something about his voice that makes you naturally want to punch the guy. We'll see how he does at cutting face promos, too.

I don't see how you're getting him babyface at this point, it seems Triple H is in the right with any turn that you do given the setup. Just getting him away from the Authority and the cliche garbage will be so much help
 

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Couldn't they try to find a sweet-spot to where Rollins can stay a heel AND feud with The Authority? If they had Rollins detach from Triple H and co. they could have it to where he's doing what's best for himself, instead of doing what's best for business. I'd hate for them to squander his heel run because it still has a lot of potential in my opinion, and they don't really have another heel to take his place. Sheamus just seems like an overly irregular choice to replace Rollins as their top billed heel in 2015, even though I've enjoyed his direction since returning. And I'm pretty sure no one wants to see Bray be near the top anymore. Owens sure, but I definitely don't see them pushing him to the top just yet. He's going to have at least a short run with the U.S title first.
 

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After Bork wrecks Rollins at Battleground, (after Rollins had put on a helluva fight), I'm totally expecting to see Rollins as a babyface come SummerSlam time.

Might as well face HHH, so yeah, a face turn, please! His heel character has been stale for a while now.

When you think about it, a babyface turn might be all that makes sense. They have booked him as such a weak champion that one if two things seem likely at Battleground: 1. He will continue being a weak champion and lose the belt and the Authority and turn because he has nowhere else to go or 2. He will put on a hell of a match against Lesnar and then regardless of winning or losing, he will get fan appreciation for it.

I know the third option is this will be yet another Authority match where Kane and JJ will help Rollins keep the belt, but with Brock only wrestling a couple matches a year, WWE would be reaching the pinnacle of stupidity wasting one of them like that.

To answer the original question, no, Rollins has been nothing but a bad joke of a champion, which sucks because I thought he would make a good champ. I think, in addition to other things, his title reign is one of the reasons Raw is in the toilet right now and something needs to change.