Ryder is actually doing a music video.

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You can't judge a superstar based on one match, Cena was awesome in that match, but in 90% of the other matches, he is the boring stale superman who is too predictable in the ring and on the mic...

Plus, Dean has only just debuted bro, just wait and you will see what he is capable of doing.

seabs and I have seen Dean before. Dean blew massive chunks in ring until just a short while ago.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

seabs and I have seen Dean before. Dean blew massive chunks in ring until just a short while ago.

The TLC match was awesome, very awesome imo, I don't know about you guys but for me Dean is definitely better in the ring than Cena.

 

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The TLC match was awesome, very awesome imo, I don't know about you guys but for me Dean is definitely better in the ring than Cena.

Ambrose up until just recently was just a brawler that could talk circles around anyone. Cena has a much more diverse moveset from what we know. You cannot judge Ambrose's ring skills on a gimmick tag match. Wait until he has an amount of singles matches against both "better" and "worse" wrestlers than himself because a TLC tag match tells us nothing since there is so much going on in it.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

Ambrose up until just recently was just a brawler that could talk circles around anyone. Cena has a much more diverse moveset from what we know. You cannot judge Ambrose's ring skills on a gimmick tag match. Wait until he has an amount of singles matches against both "better" and "worse" wrestlers than himself because a TLC tag match tells us nothing since there is so much going on in it.

From the matches I saw for him before debuting , he is definitely better.

 

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From the matches I saw for him before debuting , he is definitely better.

Can you say that with a straight face though and not as a mark? I mark for Ambrose but I am not afraid to say that he is far from one of the best in ring wrestlers out there. Cena has more top notch matches than him. Ambrose is only the second best wrestler in the Shield.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

Can you say that with a straight face though and not as a mark? I mark for Ambrose but I am not afraid to say that he is far from one of the best in ring wrestlers out there. Cena has more top notch matches than him. Ambrose is only the second best wrestler in the Shield.

Cena is not one of the best in ring wrestlers out there lol, and Ambrose is the best in the shield...

Who is better than him? Seth? or Roman?

 

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Cena is not one of the best in ring wrestlers out there lol, and Ambrose is the best in the shield...

Who is better than him? Seth? or Roman?

Seth is miles ahead of Ambrose when it comes to in ring technical skills. It's not even a contest. Working with Seth in FCW is one of the reasons Ambrose has actually improved in the ring. I'd even wager to say that Reigns is possibly more athletic than Ambrose as well, he just needs polish.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

Seth is miles ahead of Ambrose when it comes to in ring technical skills. It's not even a contest. Working with Seth in FCW is one of the reasons Ambrose has actually improved in the ring. I'd even wager to say that Reigns is possibly more athletic than Ambrose as well, he just needs polish.

It's your opinion bro tunga:
Mine is different though :smug:

 

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It's your opinion bro tunga:
Mine is different though :smug:

If you honest to god think Dean Ambrose is a better technician, grappler and high flyer than Seth Rollins then I am not sure what you base your opinion on. What matches have you seen of Dean? What matches have you seen of Seth's? You must base this on something.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

If you honest to god think Dean Ambrose is a better technician, grappler and high flyer than Seth Rollins then I am not sure what you base your opinion on. What matches have you seen of Dean? What matches have you seen of Seth's? You must base this on something.

I watched more Seth matches than Dean TBH...
I watched many of Seth matches on NXT, he is great in the ring but I don't think he is better than the performance I saw Dean putting during a few of the singles matches I saw him in.

 

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I watched more Seth matches than Dean TBH...
I watched many of Seth matches on NXT, he is great in the ring but I don't think he is better than the performance I saw Dean putting during a few of the singles matches I saw him in.

Go and watch more of Seth's work. Watch his FCW work, his ring of Honor work. You've basically come into Dean when he has just recently become a good wrestler and not just a good entertainer. In ring Seth his in my opinion miles ahead. More well rounded, more technically sound, better high flyer, better grappler. Ambrose is good in that he can tell a story in ring, but comparing his technical proves to Seth is in my opinion hard.

Seth comes out of Ring of Honor, who put a lot of value in great technical skills, he's been molded from wrestling guys like Daniel Bryan, Austin Aries and Nigel McGuinness, some of the best talent to work the modern age of wrestling. Dean comes from CZW, one of the most violent but also most botch heavy federations out there. Dean before FCW was nothing but a brawler, a brawler who could talk but a brawler non the less.

Dean is a more well rounded character than Seth, but Seth as a wrestler is much better.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

Go and watch more of Seth's work. Watch his FCW work, his ring of Honor work. You've basically come into Dean when he has just recently become a good wrestler and not just a good entertainer. In ring Seth his in my opinion miles ahead. More well rounded, more technically sound, better high flyer, better grappler. Ambrose is good in that he can tell a story in ring, but comparing his technical proves to Seth is in my opinion hard.

Seth comes out of Ring of Honor, who put a lot of value in great technical skills, he's been molded from wrestling guys like Daniel Bryan, Austin Aries and Nigel McGuinness, some of the best talent to work the modern age of wrestling. Dean comes from CZW, one of the most violent but also most botch heavy federations out there. Dean before FCW was nothing but a brawler, a brawler who could talk but a brawler non the less.

Dean is a more well rounded character than Seth, but Seth as a wrestler is much better.

If you watched that much of these , then I guess you may be more right than I am, I only started watching Seth after the start of the new NXT season, so I think you probably have a more complete point of view than I am since I didn't watch their work before WWE.

 

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If you watched that much of these , then I guess you may be more right than I am, I only started watching Seth after the start of the new NXT season, so I think you probably have a more complete point of view than I an since I didn't watch their work before WWE.

I can highly recommend watching some of Seth's work from before NXT. He has a nice five match series with Ambrose from FCW. This is were you could see Ambrose getting better and better in the ring for every match. Seth was a big part in helping Ambrose improve in ring in my opinion. His work in ROH as Tyler Black (Harry Potter reference) was also good. There are some matches between him, Bryan and McGuinness on Youtube that you can find pretty easily.

 

[BaraaKhalaf92]

I can highly recommend watching some of Seth's work from before NXT. He has a nice five match series with Ambrose from FCW. This is were you could see Ambrose getting better and better in the ring for every match. Seth was a big part in helping Ambrose improve in ring in my opinion. His work in ROH as Tyler Black (Harry Potter reference) was also good. There are some matches between him, Bryan and McGuinness on Youtube that you can find pretty easily.

Thanks for the recommendations tunga:

I'll make sure to watch some of these when I finish my God Damn Exams :upset:

 

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I can highly recommend watching some of Seth's work from before NXT. He has a nice five match series with Ambrose from FCW. This is were you could see Ambrose getting better and better in the ring for every match. Seth was a big part in helping Ambrose improve in ring in my opinion. His work in ROH as Tyler Black (Harry Potter reference) was also good. There are some matches between him, Bryan and McGuinness on Youtube that you can find pretty easily.

Is it seriously a Harry Potter reference? I'd mark if his old name was. :yay:

And I haven't really seen much of their work before WWE, but Ambrose came off pretty super in that WWE TLC match with Hell No and Ryback. If you pay attention the whole match, after Ambrose takes a hit from either Hell No or Ryback, he almost instantly gets back up and attacks again. I mean, he's still good, but he should be more realistic.