RVD Shoots On Vince, HHH, The New ECW, & More

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phantomgerald

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God forbid HHH uses his power to "get ahead"

Its the friggin American way people. If everyone just sat on their asses and never tried to be the best they can be without stepping on some toes we would be a country of pussy's.

You get power by performance. If HHH had sucked for the past 10 plus years he wouldn't have the backstage pull he has, regradless of who he is married to. HHH and Taker pull the same power plays and they don't get nearly as much shit because they aren't married to a McMahon.

Triple H didn't immediately step in and have the power he does. He worked to get it, both in the ring and outside the ring. I'm not going to fault a man for looking out for his interests and trying to get the most out of his career.

How do you HHH haters think people get promotions in the real world? Most don't get them by sitting in the corner and not saying anyhting. You speak your mind and contribute. Thats what it takes.


If Taker and HHH get into a huge backstage altercation that cause relations to be irreconcilable, who do you think Vince will side with? HHH of course, because when it comes down to it, HHH is his son-in-law, and Taker is just one of his best employees. True HHH is good, but that does not mean he deserves the power he's getting. Alot of this power comes based on the face that when Vince passes down the company, it will be to Shane, or to Steph/HHH and as one of the likely successors of the company, HHH have this almighty power.

Funny you would bring up the working world, because usually out in a corporate company like the WWE, there are usually two ways to the top. One would be through sheer hard wark and talent that gets you recognised by the boss, or the other way would be to marry the bosses' daughter. Taker took one way, HHH took the other.
 

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^Triple H may have gotten farther ahead because of his relationship, but to ignore the fact that he worked hard to become a main event star long before he even dated Stephanie is ignorant. Triple H was the one that took the punishement for the Kliq farewell at MSG. Triple H was in the dog house. But he found a gimmick that worked. He started to get recognized as a major player. Keep in mind this, Triple H was still dating Chyna in 1997, and he had a lot of pull with Vince already then. He was the one that came up with the idea of the Montreal Screw Job. He's relationship with Stephanie had nothing to do with it because it was non existant.

Lots of wrestlers get in good with the promotor and use that relationship to keep themselves ahead. He's not the first, he certainly won't be the last. To hate on Triple H and not hate on others like Shawn Michaels, Undertaker, Kurt Angle, Hulk Hogan (just to name a few) who have done simalar tactics is just stupid. These people got to that position with the promoter due to there talents, weather it be in the ring or on the mic, these men were draws. Triple H was no different, he was starting to put butts in the seats and it was after he already had an established relationship and position within Vince's inner circle that he started dating Stephanie. Not before as everyone seems to now rewrite history to believe.
 

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The Baltimore Sun has posted the second part to their interview with former WWE and ECW World Champion Rob Van Dam. RVD gives his thoughts on WWE’s drug testing policy, having to tell Vince McMahon he has been charged with possession of marijuana. Shane McMahon using his Van Terminator move and more. Below are some of the highlights of the interview:

On WWE’s Drug Testing Policy: From personal experience, being tested probably five or six times at least in the year, year-and-a-half that I was there and they were testing, it felt like it was very violating. For them to actually go inside my body and take my urine and then tell me if they’re OK with what I’m taking, it’s all very violating. At the same time, I do realize the goal behind it, hopefully, is to help people. And there are a lot of irresponsible wrestlers, there’s no doubt about that. I’m responsible myself; I can take care of myself. I’m an independent contractor, which means that I show up to work, I do my job, and then I leave. I’ll see you tomorrow – different place, same job. And that’s what I do. It’s a very onerous contract that they’ve amended several times since signing it. I signed the deal, then a little while later they said, “Oh, OK, by the way, now we’re going to add a dress code.â€￾ Then a little while later they said, “Oh, if you’re late, you’re going to get fined. Now we’re going to add this drug testing.â€￾ It’d be kind of like hiring a painter to paint your house and then every couple of days adding work for him and telling him it’s under the same deal. “Hey, by the way, we decided you’re going to paint my neighbor’s house, too.â€￾

Having Marijuana Legalized: Absolutely. And I think anybody that looks into the truth, if they’re not for legalizing it then they just don’t care about it. But anybody that says that there’s any logical reason that a plant that grows in the wild that zero people on the planet have overdosed from should be classified as a Schedule I controlled substance by the [Drug Enforcement Administration] with heroin and acid, and is one of the deadliest drugs with no medical benefits whatsoever – people knows that’s [nonsense]. I’m strongly for the legalization. I divide the argument into three categories: there’s recreational, there’s medicinal and there’s even material. You can make over 25,000 products with hemp, which doesn’t even have THC. It’s just a plant that they have outlawed by assimilating it with marijuana.

Telling Vince McMahon About Being Charged: The day that Sabu and I pulled into the Philly arena and had to tell Vince, and I knew how much I had disappointed him and dropped the ball on his immediate plans, I felt bad that day. I was feeling like I let some people down. But that’s the way emotion is. Emotion takes the place of logic, and until you work things out you’re a victim of it. Eventually, I could see the big picture, and that’s how it goes down in history and I’m OK with that.

Shane McMahon Using The Van Terminator: You can’t patent a move. It’s challenging enough to come up with a move that nobody else does. … I try and do things that I would want to see done that I haven’t seen other people do. Most wrestlers obviously don’t think that way, and instead they steal somebody’s move as soon as they’ve gone on to the next company. It was actually Paul Heyman, my good friend, who showed Shane a video of me doing the Van Terminator and said, “Do you think you can do that?â€￾ I wasn’t happy that he did it, but I didn’t lose my cool, and I definitely see why he did it.
 

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RVS is right in some ways and not in others. I'm not going to go into details but he has to just face the facts and those facts are is WWE don't want him and he can't cope with that and has to bitch about it. I know it sounds kinda silly but that's my perspective of it...
 

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His statements on the dress code, being on time, and the drug testing policy are some of the stupidest things I've ever heard. I mean he wants to get paid more for not dressing like a slob(I don't know the dress code, but I'm guessing that's what it is), showing up to work on time, and not smoking pot or taking steriods. Is he serious? Some of the stuff he says is just so ridiculous I don't know how anyone can possibly listen to anything he says.
 

CenaMark54

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Funny you would bring up the working world, because usually out in a corporate company like the WWE, there are usually two ways to the top. One would be through sheer hard wark and talent that gets you recognised by the boss, or the other way would be to marry the bosses' daughter. Taker took one way, HHH took the other.

Don't give me that bullshit...HHH was a WWE champion, main eventer, and backstage manipulator when he was still banging Chyna.

And to say that there are two ways to the top in corporate America and one is banging the bosses daughter is just asinine.

Your first way to make it to the top (hard work and talent alone) will only get you so far. You have to network, you have to be willing to step on some toes along the way, you have to be able to promote yourself to the execs. To say that Taker, HBK, HHH, Austin, Hogan, Flair, or any of the greats gained power through hard work along is just wrong. Every single superstar with backstage power has pissed people off and screwed others over along the way.

I'm just pissed off that RVD used his backstage power to squash Santino.

Why do people like RVD feel the need to hold back good young talent?
 

the dark knight

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"RVD just doesn't have that connection with the crowd"
agreed. its not always the pop he gets. he was SHIT on the mic and always made me wanna puke whenever he talked. his promos were a cena-like promos...

ZOMG HIS ECW PROMOS WERE GOLD
who gives a shit? he was in the wwe..not ecw.
 

phantomgerald

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Don't give me that bullshit...HHH was a WWE champion, main eventer, and backstage manipulator when he was still banging Chyna.

And to say that there are two ways to the top in corporate America and one is banging the bosses daughter is just asinine.

Your first way to make it to the top (hard work and talent alone) will only get you so far. You have to network, you have to be willing to step on some toes along the way, you have to be able to promote yourself to the execs. To say that Taker, HBK, HHH, Austin, Hogan, Flair, or any of the greats gained power through hard work along is just wrong. Every single superstar with backstage power has pissed people off and screwed others over along the way.

I'm just pissed off that RVD used his backstage power to squash Santino.

Why do people like RVD feel the need to hold back good young talent?

Yeah he was good, but comparing him to others like Hogan, Taker, they don't get what they want all the time, and HHH always seem to piss off other wrestlers more than the Hbks and the Flairs don't he? I'm not denying what he has done in the past brought him to the level of HBK and Taker, but it's his marriage to Steph got him even higher.

Look around the corporate world man. Look at how many son-in-laws have inherited multi-million dollar companies. It's just a way of corporate life man, when you marry the owner's daughter, you get special treatment, and you can't deny that.
 

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^You also can't deny that HHH has a great connection with the fans. WWE isn't the same as the corporate world because if the other people hate you it doesn't matter as long as your boss is satisfied. But the majority of fans love HHH and if they didn't it wouldn't matter who he's married to because he wouldn't be around anymore.
 

phantomgerald

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^^^You guys are not getting my point. I'm not saying that HHH is bad. I'm saying that just because he's married to the daughter of the owner, he gets more power than he should, and pisses others off because he can.
 

Airfixx

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We all know that HHH probably thinks just because he shagged the owner's daughter he gets more rights than normal. You can choose to live in denial, or you can accept the fact. Maybe RVD stretches the fact a little, but when it comes down to it, when HHH doesn't like you, your career is doomed.

I don't KNOW anything you're suggesting, but bearing in mind you 've stated it to be fact not once but twice... Can you actually back this speculative crap up?



I was under the impression that RVD was pissed off ever since not getting the title from HHH in 02. If that's true, it seems kinda likely that THAT is what would have built his opinion of HHH, not something that he claims HHH said about him 3 years later.


Btw, drop all the bullshit chatting about pot, aside from the actual arrest, it doesn't mean shit and some of your blinkered attitudes towards it as an illegal drug (as opposed to a TAXABLE drug such as alcohol or nicotine or even Steroids) do you no credit at all....
 

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I don't want to get involved with the whole HHH-RVD thing, but some of you are saying that RVD was completely shit when it came to his promos. I beg to differ:

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^That was a really cool promo, however RVD did almost nothing in it. He hardly spoke other than saying that he was in for the match, if nothing else that only strengthened the point that RVD isn't that great on the mic. That video reflected how good Stone Cold was on the mic, but no RVD.
 

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RVD never really fit in real well with the WWE like he said himself. He was the definition of an ECW wrestler but couldn't bring that style with the same effect to the WWE. Now as for HHH's comments, I would have to agree with them. He got some good pops in his day, but each year that went by it seemed that he got less and less popular. As for his mic skills, I recall a specific promo against HHH when HHH was champ when he said something like "Nobody spits water like you do" I just remember that it was very funny. Though his mic skills weren't a Rock, Stone Cold, or HBK.....they were pretty good.
 

Great One

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How did that prove RVD has good promos? He says roughly 10 words in a hype package.