Rumors on Big Return

[Roadster]

....... What Liger and Pillman did was nothing like what the luchadors did. Go back and watch a Rey Mysterio match from WCW or ECW and tell me Brian Pillman could do that. Also go and watch the 94-95 super J cups and tell me that guys like Jericho or Benoit weren't high flyers. Jericho got lucha training down in Mexico for Pete's sake.

Also. Rich Swann and Ricochet are fucking lucha inspired. Since they recieved training by Quackenbush (in the case of Ricochet) and in the Dragon Gate Dojo. Those guys are about as inspired by Jeff Hardy as Tensai is.

I never said anything about Mysterio being subpar/onpar with Pillman or Liger, stop putting words in my mouth. I was talking about guys like Malenko, Alex Wright, Syxx and fucking Scotty Flamingo (and the ones listed above, I retract Guerrero though). The most intense move I've seen Malenko do was a freaking hurricanrana from the top rope, and Alex Wright was as much of a cruiserweight as Tensai.

Chris Benoit and Chris Jericho were never allowed to or never actually showed their true high-flying talents on American TV. Which is what I've been talking about, this entire time. I don't care how talented they were in Japan, if the majority of people in the US didn't see them. Jeff Hardy popularized extreme high-flying wrestling on American TV.

Ricochet and Rich Swann resemble more Hardy than many other luchadores, imho.

 

[Stopspot]

I think you are overselling Hardy's importance in "high flying wrestling" getting popular. Since A, Hardy first started to showcase that in 1999 when the Hardy's stopped being jobbers, and the cruiser weights in WCW had been going strong for a while and was actually starting to die. And B, because I think you undersell how known ECW and their style of wrestling was. Massive crowds at WWE events chanted for ECW, they knew what was going on. ECW and their product was the talk of the town for a lot of the attitude era after all.

Hardy played a part yes, but his importance in that boom is way over hyped.

 

[Pop Tatari]

Sabu, Hayabusha etc were doing this shit years before this nincompoop was born. Fuck this wierdo.

 

[ShaRpY HaRdY]

Sure why not.. I wouldn't do it for long but a brief stint could have potential to draw a little bit.

 

[seabs]

Not really. WCW introduced lucha wrestling to the majority of American households. Something very different from what Jeff does. He doesn't do moonsaults and baseball slides. He does crazy and insane moves that guys like Sabu were known for doing. But obviously the majority of people didn't watch Hardcore TV at 1 AM in the morning, so Jeff did actually introduce it to mainstream wrestling fans.

A springboard whisper in the wind is here around 1:40, are you talking about hardcore spots? If so Foley in his various matches and Michaels in the ladder match with Razor showcased that element before Jeff also.

 

[BeardsOfWarjStylesXL]

isn't Jeffrey Nero Hardy personal assistant to EC3? hmm

 

[Roadster]

By the way when I was talking about La Parka in my original post, I meant Syxx. I was just watching a Park match when I was writing it.

 

[Trip in the Head]

Always thought Jeff > Matt

 

[Swift]

> CM Punk

 

[Leo C]

Don't care much for Jeff. Matt should go back to ROH, the Kingdom needs him. I guess I would mark out at a return because I like their theme song though