Rumors on Big Return

[Jacob Fox]

I like Jeff Hardy and wouldn't mind seeing him back in WWE, but honestly it's not something that I am really overly concerned about one way or the other.

 

[edge4ever]

I like Jeff Hardy and wouldn't mind seeing him back in WWE, but honestly it's not something that I am really overly concerned about one way or the other.

Yeah I don't think he. An handle a full time gig with the current roster any way. He always looks like he's in severe, real pain.

 

[Roadster]

Yeah I don't think he. An handle a full time gig with the current roster any way. He always looks like he's in severe, real pain.

That's what comes with taking massive bumps in your late 30s. He took a bump from the top of a steel cage onto Steel Steps. This was directly after a season of Ladder and Hardcore matches with The Dudleys and The American Wolves, where he also took massive bumps.

He needs to play it smart, at his age, unless he wants to end up like Mick Foley. Who says he feels the effects of his wrestling style every day.

 

[Aids Johnson]

That's what comes with taking massive bumps in your late 30s. He took a bump from the top of a steel cage onto Steel Steps. This was directly after a season of Ladder and Hardcore matches with The Dudleys and The American Wolves, where he also took massive bumps.

He needs to play it smart, at his age, unless he wants to end up like Mick Foley. Who says he feels the effects of his wrestling style every day.

You see anything more talkworthy than that this year though? He is going to end up more like Ali than Foley.

 

[Roadster]

You see anything more talkworthy than that this year though? He is going to end up more like Ali than Foley.

I'll just assume you're talking about 2014. And yeah I agree, but being a noteworthy competitor isn't something someone who's accomplished so much like Jeff, should be worrying about when he can really do long term damage in this fragile stage of his career.

Was it hella cool? Yeah. But I'm just pointing out some hard truth.

 

[Stopspot]

If all you can be remembered for in wrestling is falling off of cages onto stairs I wouldn't say it was worth it.

 

[seabs]

If all you can be remembered for in wrestling is falling off of cages onto stairs I wouldn't say it was worth it.

I'm probably missing the context here but he'll be remembered more for the early 2000 tag division and his singles run in 2008-2009.

 

[The GOAT]

Meh. It'll be cool to see the Hardyz again just for the nostalgia, I guess, but I'm not really that amped up over it. I've really been that big a fan of either of them except for when Jeff was jumping off something or when Matt was doing his "Matt Hardy Version 1" gimmick on Smackdown in 2002/2003.

 

[Zany Clowny]

I'm not big on Jeff Hardy because his delivery on the mic is boring...I still feel as if I'd mark out for a return, though. Midcard run with his brother would be cool.

 

[Roadster]

If all you can be remembered for in wrestling is falling off of cages onto stairs I wouldn't say it was worth it.

I don't think that's what he's remembered for. I remember him more for being the first, on a major stage, to introduce a death defying style of wrestling that's still popular today. He popularized adding spins on simple high-flying moves.


He made moves look crazy and intense when they were simple Senton's off the top rope. He made moves like the Whisper in the Wind popular and many more. Most of his career consists of him being a bump crazy psycho, but he's given back to wrestling too. He's done so much for the high-flying style of wrestling.

 

[seabs]

I don't think that's what he's remembered for. I remember him more for being the first, on a major stage, to introduce a death defying style of wrestling that's still popular today. He popularized adding spins on simple high-flying moves.


He made moves look crazy and intense when they were simple Senton's off the top rope. He made moves like the Whisper in the Wind popular and many more. Most of his career consists of him being a bump crazy psycho, but he's given back to wrestling too. He's done so much for the high-flying style of wrestling.

Just to be a pedantic asshole the cruisers in WCW introduced that style to the masses before Jeff.

 

[Roadster]

Just to be a pedantic asshole the cruisers in WCW introduced that style to the masses before Jeff.

Not really. WCW introduced lucha wrestling to the majority of American households. Something very different from what Jeff does. He doesn't do moonsaults and baseball slides. He does crazy and insane moves that guys like Sabu were known for doing. But obviously the majority of people didn't watch Hardcore TV at 1 AM in the morning, so Jeff did actually introduce it to mainstream wrestling fans.

 

[Stopspot]

I don't think that's what he's remembered for. I remember him more for being the first, on a major stage, to introduce a death defying style of wrestling that's still popular today. He popularized adding spins on simple high-flying moves.


He made moves look crazy and intense when they were simple Senton's off the top rope. He made moves like the Whisper in the Wind popular and many more. Most of his career consists of him being a bump crazy psycho, but he's given back to wrestling too. He's done so much for the high-flying style of wrestling.

Nothing that wouldn't have shown up had he not been wrestling. Guys like Jericho would have introduced that stuff either way since what Seabs said is true. The cruisers in WCW did that stuff too.

And your Sabu comparison only adds to my argument. Sabu, when not coked off his head is a competent wrestler. But he is not remembered for that, he's remembered for the violence and hardcore. And that's not as great as people think considering where Sabu is now.

In the words of NXT ref Drakw "Younger" Wuertz. "If you want to do hardcore, go ahead. But don't make it the reason people pay to see you, you end up ruining yourself."

Younger had to move from the east coast to California and invest four years almost into reinventing himself as both a person and a wrestler to not be a guy people paid to see bleed.

Jeff has all his accolades, but people don't want to see Jeff Hardy wrestle or do a Swanton, people want to see Jeff Hardy go through a table. People pay to see Jeff Hardy fuck himself up further, that's a vicious cycle. Matt got out of it after hitting rock bottom. I don't think Jeff has yet.

 

[Roadster]

Nothing that wouldn't have shown up had he not been wrestling. Guys like Jericho would have introduced that stuff either way since what Seabs said is true. The cruisers in WCW did that stuff too.

And your Sabu comparison only adds to my argument. Sabu, when not coked off his head is a competent wrestler. But he is not remembered for that, he's remembered for the violence and hardcore. And that's not as great as people think considering where Sabu is now.

In the words of NXT ref Drakw "Younger" Wuertz. "If you want to do hardcore, go ahead. But don't make it the reason people pay to see you, you end up ruining yourself."

Younger had to move from the east coast to California and invest four years almost into reinventing himself as both a person and a wrestler to not be a guy people paid to see bleed.

Jeff has all his accolades, but people don't want to see Jeff Hardy wrestle or do a Swanton, people want to see Jeff Hardy go through a table. People pay to see Jeff Hardy fuck himself up further, that's a vicious cycle. Matt got out of it after hitting rock bottom. I don't think Jeff has yet.

I have to disagree, Chris Jericho or most of the larger cruiserweights were never guys that were crazy high-flyer. Most of the Cruiserweights were guys who had been wrestling the common Lucha style for years, since it's popularization in the early 90s. But Jeff Hardy was never like them, I've never actually seen him do a basic high-flying move without adding some spin to it. Most of the luchadores, like Juvi, Psychosis, Eddie Guerrero and La Parka were known for doing the same stuff Pillman and Liger were doing back in 1995, that was fine since the 90s crowds were still eating it up, but nowadays that's the norm and the style Sabu and Hardy popularized are what produce the holy shit moments in arenas now. The same style adopted by guys like Ricochet and Rich Swann, but obviously with better precision, style and diversity because wrestling styles always evolve. Anyways, Jeff Hardy was doing things that were not really seen on a Prime Time wrestling TV show, that's really my only point here.

But I do have to agree with what you said about Hardy driving himself into intense pain because that's all people want to see.

 

[Stopspot]

I have to disagree, Chris Jericho or most of the larger cruiserweights were never guys that were crazy high-flyer. Most of the Cruiserweights were guys who had been wrestling the common Lucha style for years, since it's popularization in the early 90s. But Jeff Hardy was never like them, I've never actually seen him do a basic high-flying move without adding some spin to it. Most of the luchadores, like Juvi, Psychosis, Eddie Guerrero and La Parka were known for doing the same stuff Pillman and Liger were doing back in 1995, that was fine since the 90s crowds were still eating it up, but nowadays that's the norm and the style Sabu and Hardy popularized are what produce the holy shit moments in arenas now. The same style adopted by guys like Ricochet and Rich Swann, but obviously with better precision, style and diversity because wrestling styles always evolve. Anyways, Jeff Hardy was doing things that were not really seen on a Prime Time wrestling TV show, that's really my only point here.

....... What Liger and Pillman did was nothing like what the luchadors did. Go back and watch a Rey Mysterio match from WCW or ECW and tell me Brian Pillman could do that. Also go and watch the 94-95 super J cups and tell me that guys like Jericho or Benoit weren't high flyers. Jericho got lucha training down in Mexico for Pete's sake.

Also. Rich Swann and Ricochet are fucking lucha inspired. Since they recieved training by Quackenbush (in the case of Ricochet) and in the Dragon Gate Dojo. Those guys are about as inspired by Jeff Hardy as Tensai is.