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[edge4ever]

Have you ever read the majority of fantasy booking posts? They're usually shit to put it nicely. Vince and Co have been doing this for the past god knows how many years they know what they're doing. They do focus group stuff occasionally but I doubt it has a great deal of impact (and rightfully so)

Have you watched wrestling lately? They clearly don't listen more often than not. Vince has found a way to make money in spite of how badly they book and do things.... Hopefully it'll catch up

 

[seabs]

Have you watched wrestling lately? They clearly don't listen more often than not. Vince has found a way to make money in spite of how badly they book and do things.... Hopefully it'll catch up

Yeah I have, I saw them give us a mainevent of AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, Cesaro and Chris Jericho this past Monday. There is a reason they shouldn't listen to fans, the majority of booking decisions posted by fans are absolute dog shit which people circle jerk on because it fits the latest buzz of the day. Vince has found a way to make money because he knows what he's doing, of course if you feel you can do so much better feel free to go ahead and thank me when you float your own wrassling company on the stock exchange since it's so easy to do even an idiot who doesn't know how to book has done it.

 

[edge4ever]

Yeah I have, I saw them give us a mainevent of AJ Styles, Kevin Owens, Cesaro and Chris Jericho this past Monday. There is a reason they shouldn't listen to fans, the majority of booking decisions posted by fans are absolute dog shit which people circle jerk on because it fits the latest buzz of the day. Vince has found a way to make money because he knows what he's doing, of course if you feel you can do so much better feel free to go ahead and thank me when you float your own wrassling company on the stock exchange since it's so easy to do even an idiot who doesn't know how to book has done it.

I never said that they had to listen to all advice, that would be chaos. A little help is needed. Clearly. Watch new week raw and see if it's as good.

 

[edge4ever]

Lol and one raw was good. Big whoop. The next 10 will prob be utter shit.

 

[seabs]

I never said that they had to listen to all advice, that would be chaos. A little help is needed. Clearly. Watch new week raw and see if it's as good.

The show will be hit and miss, any show which is on 52 weeks of the year is bound to be. Fans can cheer who they want to cheer and boo who they want to boo and that should be taken as indication of creative direction but that's it. Anything more than that and you end up with twitch plays wrestling.

 

[seabs]

Lol and one raw was good. Big whoop. The next 10 will prob be utter shit.

They probably won't be, they'll probably not be brilliant but they'll be average to good Raws, really good Raws and bad Raws over that 10 show span. Sure you'll get some members of the audience who think they're watching the worst thing ever which is fine, everyone has a right to their own opinion but the majority will tune in next week because they dig the product being offered in some variation. What is missing from Raw currently? You have the workrate guys such as Styles, Zayn, Owens. You have a strong women's division, a tag division which is getting a bit more interesting, what looks like a midcard feud over the IC title with Ryder and Miz and some other strong points.

There's a bit of something for everyone so bits of the show won't be for you, that's fine but you have to realize it's not booked with one section of the audience in mind. It's like tapas in tights.

 

[Stopspot]

dumbest thing a fan can think is "I can do it better".
Wrestling is one of the hardest media forms to write and produce. It's live, it has inherent danger due to the stunts performed with one wrong move mucking up possibly months of plans. And with it being live comes the whole crowd involvement factor which can impact how over an act that Vince is investing time and money into getting over or not. Writing a 3 hour weekly wrestling show is not a task I'd wish on anyone.

Can we complain about the quality? Sure. But that does not mean that whatever neckbeard on the web can somehow do it better. Vincent J McMahon has been in this business for decades and sat under the learning tree of some of the best from the old NWA era. He has a plan and a vision for everything in the WWE because he is that much of a control freak. That vision changes a fair bit over the year due to all the inherent risk factors involved in producing wrestling, but he knows what he is doing.

 

[Snowman1]

dumbest thing a fan can think is "I can do it better".
Wrestling is one of the hardest media forms to write and produce. It's live, it has inherent danger due to the stunts performed with one wrong move mucking up possibly months of plans. And with it being live comes the whole crowd involvement factor which can impact how over an act that Vince is investing time and money into getting over or not. Writing a 3 hour weekly wrestling show is not a task I'd wish on anyone.

Can we complain about the quality? Sure. But that does not mean that whatever neckbeard on the web can somehow do it better. Vincent J McMahon has been in this business for decades and sat under the learning tree of some of the best from the old NWA era. He has a plan and a vision for everything in the WWE because he is that much of a control freak. That vision changes a fair bit over the year due to all the inherent risk factors involved in producing wrestling, but he knows what he is doing.

Upon seeing Mania 32, there were a couple of good examples. Everyone wanted Zayn vs Owens one on one at Wrestlemania, and we thought they were downright insane for doing the big ladder match instead.

As it turns out it wound up being for the best. Maybe it's just me seeing that "hanging around the #1 Contender's scene" as a much bigger push than "having the IC Title", but Zayn vs Owens non-title means the winner of that feud is well-positioned as one of the top guys instead of having his ceiling capped by a midcard belt. Owens also got to drop the title without jobbing, and we got a happy 'Mania moment. Wins across the board!

I was convinced Shane and Taker was going to main event. It didn't, and that too wound up being for the best.

 

[Stopspot]

Wrestling is such a weird business were the entire direction of the industry/product can change at any moment. Like comics it is such a series of constant what ifs and alternate timelines. Had Roman won the rumble in 2014, beating Batista he would legit be the top star right now and much less aggressively polarizing. But he did not and we ended up in this timeline.

Any small decision could end up influencing everything in a wrestling company. Imagine a WWE were Vince vetoed Austin's suggestion of naming him Stone Cold Steve Austin and instead forcing his suggestion of Baron von Ruthless into effect, or Ice Dagger. These two being the two top name alternatives for Austin before they decided on Stone Cold.

 

[seabs]

It's a complete shitpost even for me but I always mark for the various names suggested for Austin.

 

[Stopspot]

It's a complete shitpost even for me but I always mark for the various names suggested for Austin.

Feck. Foley was supposed to be Mason the Mutilator or Eric Eargone (because he only has one ear, get it!?). But history selected a different path for us.

Imagine a timeline were Glenn Jacobs never stopped working the Christmas Creature gimmick

 

[seabs]

Feck. Foley was supposed to be Mason the Mutilator or Eric Eargone (because he only has one ear, get it!?). But history selected a different path for us.

Imagine a timeline were Glenn Jacobs never stopped working the Christmas Creature gimmick

More importantly at least some of them would probably be regarded as a good idea in that alternate universe, like we accept Hulk Hogan but it's pretty stupid when you think about it. Hulk because he's big and Hogan because they're in New York so he should sound Irish.

It's really weird to consider especially if you use Glenn Jacobs as the basis, wait they wanted to have the Undertaker's little brother wear a mask because his face is all burnt up and he can't speak so he uses a voice box for a while before it turns out he's not actually burned and can speak fine. He'll also end up in a corporate job where his masked alter ego attacks people but he denies it after. For some reason Pete Rose and May 19th piss him off too because why the fark not.

Wrestling is weird, multiverses make it weirder.

 

[Snowman1]

Wrestling is such a weird business were the entire direction of the industry/product can change at any moment. Like comics it is such a series of constant what ifs and alternate timelines. Had Roman won the rumble in 2014, beating Batista he would legit be the top star right now and much less aggressively polarizing. But he did not and we ended up in this timeline.

Any small decision could end up influencing everything in a wrestling company. Imagine a WWE were Vince vetoed Austin's suggestion of naming him Stone Cold Steve Austin and instead forcing his suggestion of Baron von Ruthless into effect, or Ice Dagger. These two being the two top name alternatives for Austin before they decided on Stone Cold.

Roman winning in 2014 was a definite what-if. That year was definitely Bryan or bust, but after that logical swerve, the story of Roman Reigns vs the Authority would have played out so much better than it did the next year. Would be interesting to see if we could go back in time and wonder what would have happened.

also those other Austin names sound like bad Russo ideas. "Cold Blood Matt Hardy!"

 

[Red Rain]

I agree with seabs and Stopspot. There are far too many moving parts. I could SUGGEST a spot or angle but what happens if that suggestion adversely affects another part of the machine I couldn't foresee?

I've predicted storylines successfully as have others but that comes from years of studying the product, being logical and having great timing.

But most fans are marks, novices who can't be objective....especially the knuckle dragging basement dwellers that even grace this site.

 

[seabs]

But most fans are marks, novices who can't be objective....especially the knuckle dragging basement dwellers that even grace this site.

I'd argue all fans are marks, look how most got worked by the whole Vince hates Daniel Bryan angle before he retired. Kayfabe just moved behind the curtain. It's the same reason Hogan says stupid shit like working 400 days a year due to time difference and Flair claims he wrestled for 60 minutes every night in their shoots, they're working us just rather than it being Hulk Hogan or Ric Flair the wrestlers, it's Terry Bollea (who doesn't btw have a ten inch penis) playing the role of Hulk Hogan "shooting" on his time as a wrestler, like in the flashback scenes of raging bull.

I'll admit I'm including myself in the mark category btw, we all should unless we're working in the wrestling industry then you're the one who's causing the marking.