Reigns

[edge4ever]

What do you think they are doing now? Seems quite a bit like a slow burn heel turn if you ask me

Not getting my hopes up until it actually happens.

 

[edge4ever]

Eh, not the point. Reigns get a similar reaction to Cena so is over. That's all there is to to it. Plus he sells a shit ton of merch by all accounts, I can only find an article from 2014 which shows him as the second top seller behind Cena, dude is over.

Top merchandise sellers for WWE in the late summer/early fall at live events, in order, includes John Cena, Roman Reigns, The Usos, The Wyatt Family, Brock Lesnar, Sting, Sheamus, Daniel Bryan, Dean Ambrose and Hulk Hogan. Cena’s merchandise sales were described as “greatly outdistancing everyone else” when fully broken down.

For orders through WWE Shop, the top 10 best sellers were Cena, Ambrose, Reigns, Lesnar, Steve Austin, AJ Lee, Bryan, Brie Bella, Hogan and The Ultimate Warrior.

The Top WWE Merchandise Sellers Revealed - Details - ProWrestling.com

The guys does well in merchandise sales, not as good as cena, but he does good. How are his areana ticket sales when he main events? How about make a wish?

My point more or less is that they want Roman as the next cena in terms of sales and the overall dominating face. The fact that he's not beating cena or coming close, only proves that he's not their guy and they're forcing him.

Cena exploded as number 1 and did it for years whether he was booed or not. I know WWE would prefer that Roman not get booed and still sell, but that's not the case. Roman is selling well for the position he's in, but much like DB was with his sales, Roman is just behind. WWE doesn't want that. Their top face should be number 1 and they're not producing it; again, because the forced and cena is a rare odditity.

CM Punk is the only guy I think who actually beat cenas sales for a while.

 

[Rogue]

I like what you're saying but WWE won't turn reigns heel and that's the issue

Why does it have to be so black and white? Reigns doesn't need to be a heel, if he did he'd be limited to only fighting faces in that standard. And who do you have on the active roster? Ambrose, Lesnar, Styles? He's already gone through two and is going to through the third now.

His Monday night segment was perfect, he was smug and said he'll take on anyone. And he did. It wasn't just faces that came out there, nor was it just heels. It was the best of both, and he acted the same way towards all of them. Arrogant. And when it all broke down he didn't do the good guy thing and fight them all, he waited for his moment and delivered. Which made it all the better.

That's the Roman we need, a cocky badass who is willing to take on everyone. Keep him in this shade of gray. You want a badass heel who hates the little guys, and hates the crowd? Look to Baron Corbin. This is Roman Reigns, not a good guy, not a bad guy, THE guy.

 

[edge4ever]

Why does it have to be so black and white? Reigns doesn't need to be a heel, if he did he'd be limited to only fighting faces in that standard. And who do you have on the active roster? Ambrose, Lesnar, Styles? He's already gone through two and is going to through the third now.

His Monday night segment was perfect, he was smug and said he'll take on anyone. And he did. It wasn't just faces that came out there, nor was it just heels. It was the best of both, and he acted the same way towards all of them. Arrogant. And when it all broke down he didn't do the good guy thing and fight them all, he waited for his moment and delivered. Which made it all the better.

That's the Roman we need, a cocky badass who is willing to take on everyone. Keep him in this shade of gray. You want a badass heel who hates the little guys, and hates the crowd? Look to Baron Corbin. This is Roman Reigns, not a good guy, not a bad guy, THE guy.

He still has Ambrose, cena, Cesaro... Others. Also, it doesn't have to be so black and white, but I think it should be in this case. The dude isn't like Brock...it's not like he gets overwhelming cheers as a bad guy or something... Being forced to kind of be a neutral character. Instead, he's being booed to shit as a face and the top dog. In general, he's being ripped to shreds. There's no need for him to be neutral or just "the guy".... He is clearly a heel... And can be an amazing one, guaranteed. WWE just won't pull the trigger.

I'm all for trying different things, but Roman needs to be heel and nothing more. He can't be neutral when he's only getting booed to shit.

 

[seabs]

The guys does well in merchandise sales, not as good as cena, but he does good. How are his areana ticket sales when he main events? How about make a wish?

I don't have those figures, do you? If not then you can't make an accusation that he's not over based upon them. Especially when Reigns just mainevented one of the biggest WMs ever (I know the WWE brand and all that jazz). You even said yourself very few people surpass Cena's sales, being the second to him shows Reigns is not over, how does that work then?

 

[Rogue]

He still has Ambrose, cena, Cesaro... Others. Also, it doesn't have to be so black and white, but I think it should be in this case. The dude isn't like Brock...it's not like he gets overwhelming cheers as a bad guy or something... Being forced to kind of be a neutral character. Instead, he's being booed to shit as a face and the top dog. In general, he's being ripped to shreds. There's no need for him to be neutral or just "the guy".... He is clearly a heel... And can be an amazing one, guaranteed. WWE just won't pull the trigger.

I'm all for trying different things, but Roman needs to be heel and nothing more. He can't be neutral when he's only getting booed to shit.

Cena is still going to be out until June. But you're missing what I'm trying to say, he's clearly not a face anymore. He's just not a heel either. He's going to say what he wants, and it's your choice whether you want to cheer/boo him. Which will basically get him more boos, but still allow him to work with the freedom. He can face Styles one month, then Owens the next. And now he doesn't have to resort to cheap pops, cheesy lines like sufferin' succatash, and have to do narrative promos ala Cena. It's the perfect role for him.

 

[edge4ever]

I don't have those figures, do you? If not then you can't make an accusation that he's not over based upon them. Especially when Reigns just mainevented one of the biggest WMs ever (I know the WWE brand and all that jazz). You even said yourself very few people surpass Cena's sales, being the second to him shows Reigns is not over, how does that work then?

It doesn't "work" because he's clearly not the next cena. I'm sure those figures will come out sooner rather than later, and if he's not beating in cena in merchandise sales, I would bet my left nut he's not selling out arenas like him either.

Reigns main evented a mania that would've sold tickets no matter what. The company makes money in spite of itself. Doesn't prove shit.

Roman is doing well overall, yes, I've said that a thousand times. But he isn't "over" as the next face. The next face should be able to surpass cena at times in sales, actually get cheered, and be likeable. Reigns isn't and feels unnatural. You want reigns to make money and have a better character? turn him heel and see what happens

 

[edge4ever]

Cena is still going to be out until June. But you're missing what I'm trying to say, he's clearly not a face anymore. He's just not a heel either. He's going to say what he wants, and it's your choice whether you want to cheer/boo him. Which will basically get him more boos, but still allow him to work with the freedom. He can face Styles one month, then Owens the next. And now he doesn't have to resort to cheap pops, cheesy lines like sufferin' succatash, and have to do narrative promos ala Cena. It's the perfect role for him.

I will say this... He would be better off being "thee guy" as opposed to being a face. I'll give you that. I'd rather him be just a heel, but this is better yes.

 

[Swift]

e-mail Vince your ideas, jabroni.

 

[Messiah1]

Roman Reigns might be the most over guy in WWE... It seems fine when a heel is cheered, but a babyface can't get booed, right?... No, it's all about getting a reaction and nobody gets a bigger reaction than Roman Reigns.. This isn't the 80's or 90's anymore, the fans and the product have changed over the year's.

Get a reaction and they'll be fine... If fans didn't want Reigns in this position, they wouldn't make a sound for him.. All they're doing is helping his career.

 

[Prince Bálor]

e-mail Vince your ideas, jabroni.

And he will gladly say NO. :bischoff:

 

[edge4ever]

To what email address do I email Vince? lol please advise. I wish WWE really would look at some outside advice now and then. Like even consult some hardcore wrestling fans and simply ask them some questions. It's nice to hear negative remarks. Makes you stronger and better.

 

[seabs]

To what email address do I email Vince? lol please advise. I wish WWE really would look at some outside advice now and then. Like even consult some hardcore wrestling fans and simply ask them some questions. It's nice to hear negative remarks. Makes you stronger and better.

Have you ever read the majority of fantasy booking posts? They're usually shit to put it nicely. Vince and Co have been doing this for the past god knows how many years they know what they're doing. They do focus group stuff occasionally but I doubt it has a great deal of impact (and rightfully so)

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

The reactions, themselves, don't matter. Numbers matter.
The only things that will get Vince McMahon's attention are the financial reports and spreadsheets showing just how profitable each cog of the company is.
Reigns is here to stay. If the numbers drop after a year or so, he will simply become a #1 heel that hardly ever loses.
The most important thing is that McMahon believes in him. They are building his name value which something WWE can do better than anybody.

He's done nothing wrong. It's the fans that are heels in my opinion. These are the same fans who throw objects at superstars, jump guard rails and 'escort' WWE champions to the ring.

Yep. Fuck the fans lol

 

[Dolph'sZiggler]

He still has Ambrose, cena, Cesaro... Others. Also, it doesn't have to be so black and white, but I think it should be in this case. The dude isn't like Brock...it's not like he gets overwhelming cheers as a bad guy or something... Being forced to kind of be a neutral character. Instead, he's being booed to shit as a face and the top dog. In general, he's being ripped to shreds. There's no need for him to be neutral or just "the guy".... He is clearly a heel... And can be an amazing one, guaranteed. WWE just won't pull the trigger.

I'm all for trying different things, but Roman needs to be heel and nothing more. He can't be neutral when he's only getting booed to shit.

You're a blueberry