Hell in a Cell Rate Hell in a Cell 2014

[Snowman1]

I honestly am not really sure what to say about this show... screw it, I'll give it a 7/10 just like I give everything else. Monday Night Football on yet?

 

[Lackin]

Great PPV gave it a 9/10

They had some great competitive and athletic matches. Dolph Ziggler stole the show for me his match with Cesaro was epic and a proper Wrestling Match.
Another great match was the Cena and Orton which was unpredictable and was great fun to watch.

 

[Jacob Fox]

6 of 10. It was predictable for the most part, other than the last match. I mean, I was sure Rollins would win, but I did not expect the Wyatt interference. Orton should have beaten Cena so we could see a fresh matchup between Lesnar and Orton. Other than that, it was all right.

 

[Prince Bálor]

6 of 10. It was predictable for the most part, other than the last match. I mean, I was sure Rollins would win, but I did not expect the Wyatt interference. Orton should have beaten Cena so we could see a fresh matchup between Lesnar and Orton. Other than that, it was all right.

But I had expected Wyatt to come back and cost Ambrose the victory. I can never get enough of saying that. I've had a feeling for weeks that Wyatt was coming and I told everyone. Guess I was right all along and I'm glad I was.

 

[Jacob Fox]

But I had expected Wyatt to come back and cost Ambrose the victory. I can never get enough of saying that. I've had a feeling for weeks that Wyatt was coming and I told everyone. Guess I was right all along and I'm glad I was.

Well I guess for me it just doesn't really make sense. Now Bray Wyatt versus Dean Ambrose... THAT is a feud I want to see. I am glad it happened.

What doesn't make sense to me is why Bray Wyatt cost Ambrose the match. He could have done anything he wanted to Ambrose at any other time. There really was no reason for him to do it at that moment, unless Bray was trying to help Seth Rollins or the Authority... and that doesn't make sense. There is no reason that a character such as Wyatt should in any way care about that.

So did he do it because he knew it would piss Ambrose off? Ambrose is not a difficult guy to piss off. Even though he lost the match, he gave Rollins a pretty good beat down during it.

 

[Prince Bálor]

Well I guess for me it just doesn't really make sense. Now Bray Wyatt versus Dean Ambrose... THAT is a feud I want to see. I am glad it happened.

What doesn't make sense to me is why Bray Wyatt cost Ambrose the match. He could have done anything he wanted to Ambrose at any other time. There really was no reason for him to do it at that moment, unless Bray was trying to help Seth Rollins or the Authority... and that doesn't make sense. There is no reason that a character such as Wyatt should in any way care about that.

So did he do it because he knew it would piss Ambrose off? Ambrose is not a difficult guy to piss off. Even though he lost the match, he gave Rollins a pretty good beat down during it.

I'll quote @Stopspot here, 'cause the dude nailed 100%.

Except it makes perfect sense.

Ambrose character is an emotional being driven by his animalistic urges. He's spent 5 months chasing Rollins and just when he is about to go in for the kill this other big predator shows up and attacks him. So logically he is going to fight back. When one big dog attacks another big dog the attacked one is going to bite back. And Wyatt is a manipulator, he'll draw all of Ambrose's attention.

A clean ending wouldn't allow the Rollins vs Ambrose feud to be picked up in the same way, since the mystique is gone. Ambrose would have most likely pinned Rollins, so restarting it would take some forcing. This is the better ending since Ambrose never pinned Rollins, not once in 5 months of hunting him. Rollins is still Ambrose's white whale, that beast he never could quite catch. So all that is needed to restart it now is for Ambrose to go "you didn't think I forgot about you?"

 

[Jacob Fox]

I'll quote @Stopspot here, 'cause the dude nailed 100%.

I'm going to have to disagree. The reason this doesn't work is because it is not an unique situation. When Ambrose faced Rollins in the falls count anywhere match, Kane interfered, and laid Ambrose out with the cinder blocks, and Ambrose was gone. Kane not only cost Ambrose his match and revenge against Rollins, but he put Ambrose out of action for a while (and yes, I know it was to film a movie but I'm thinking purely on kayfabe terms here). Ambrose did not come back and start a feud with Kane, he came back and continued a feud with Rollins.

Dean Ambrose's character- I might add the most interesting in WWE at the moment- has tunnel vision. He never takes his eyes off his goal. He has proven that time and time again. So why would this be any different? What Bray Wyatt did was not any worse than what Kane did, in fact, it was less severe. So it still doesn't make sense to me.

Edit: I should add that I'm a social psychologist and due to that I tend to way overthink things like this and I am not saying I'm right, just seeing it a different way. I can't expect Ambrose to act in a completely consistent manner psychologically because no one does that. See, I think about it so much that I end up arguing with myself

 

[Prince Bálor]

I'm going to have to disagree. The reason this doesn't work is because it is not an unique situation. When Ambrose faced Rollins in the falls count anywhere match, Kane interfered, and laid Ambrose out with the cinder blocks, and Ambrose was gone. Kane not only cost Ambrose his match and revenge against Rollins, but he put Ambrose out of action for a while (and yes, I know it was to film a movie but I'm thinking purely on kayfabe terms here). Ambrose did not come back and start a feud with Kane, he came back and continued a feud with Rollins.

Dean Ambrose's character- I might add the most interesting in WWE at the moment- has tunnel vision. He never takes his eyes off his goal. He has proven that time and time again. So why would this be any different? What Bray Wyatt did was not any worse than what Kane did, in fact, it was less severe. So it still doesn't make sense to me.

Edit: I should add that I'm a social psychologist and I tend to way overthink things. And although I don't agree with your guys' reasoning, I sure am enjoying discussing it though

It's perfectly fine if you dislike it. Wyatt attacking Ambrose is not everyone's cup of tea, I get it. But that's kinda Seth's thing - hiding behind other people, he's The Authority's 'Golden Boy'. Not saying that Wyatt's working for The Authority at all. In my opinion, they couldn't have found a better person for the returning Wyatt to feud with than Ambrose.
Just for the record, Ambrose is most likely getting screwed again at Survivor Series when he faces Wyatt.

Tbh, nobody wants to see Kane/Ambrose feud. They're kinda keeping Kane on the sidelines, so he can get buried by Daniel Bryan once he's back.

Ambrose doesn't care who he has to go through to get to Rollins... Even at the expense of hitting a roadblock after roadblock and through his own pain and suffering... 'cause he's an emotionally driven animal. He will get to Rollins, eventually.

 

[Jacob Fox]

It's perfectly fine if you dislike it. Wyatt attacking Ambrose is not everyone's cup of tea, I get it. But that's kinda Seth's thing - hiding behind other people, he's The Authority's 'Golden Boy'. Not saying that Wyatt's working for The Authority at all. In my opinion, they couldn't have found a better person for the returning Wyatt to feud with than Ambrose.
Just for the record, Ambrose is most likely getting screwed again at Survivor Series when he faces Wyatt.

Tbh, nobody wants to see Kane/Ambrose feud. They're kinda keeping Kane on the sidelines, so he can get buried by Daniel Bryan once he's back.

Ambrose doesn't care who he has to go through to get to Rollins... Even at the expense of hitting a roadblock after roadblock and through his own pain and suffering... 'cause he's an emotionally driven animal. He will get to Rollins, eventually.

I think you misunderstand me. I actually like that Wyatt attacked Amrbose. I think a Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose feud could be the best idea. I am even find with it happening the way it happened at HIAC. The only thing I was saying is apart from that, I think it was kind of out of character for Bray Wyatt to get involved the way that he did. I've been watching wrestling for 30 years, I don't expect it to make sense I just enjoy it and I think Wyatt vs Ambrose can be the best feud they've come up with all year.

 

[Stopspot]

I think you misunderstand me. I actually like that Wyatt attacked Amrbose. I think a Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose feud could be the best idea. I am even find with it happening the way it happened at HIAC. The only thing I was saying is apart from that, I think it was kind of out of character for Bray Wyatt to get involved the way that he did. I've been watching wrestling for 30 years, I don't expect it to make sense I just enjoy it and I think Wyatt vs Ambrose can be the best feud they've come up with all year.

Makes perfect sense in my mind.

Wyatt is a mad man, but also a master manipulator. He knows exactly when to strike and how to strike to get what he wants. Another likeness with Raven in ECW. He knew that if he struck at that particular moment he'd have Ambrose's full attention, pulling the carpet out from underneath him.

There is chaos in his logic and logic in his chaos.

 

[Prince Bálor]

I think you misunderstand me. I actually like that Wyatt attacked Amrbose. I think a Bray Wyatt and Dean Ambrose feud could be the best idea. I am even find with it happening the way it happened at HIAC. The only thing I was saying is apart from that, I think it was kind of out of character for Bray Wyatt to get involved the way that he did. I've been watching wrestling for 30 years, I don't expect it to make sense I just enjoy it and I think Wyatt vs Ambrose can be the best feud they've come up with all year.

Oh, I see... Apologies, bro.

 

[Jacob Fox]

Makes perfect sense in my mind.

Wyatt is a mad man, but also a master manipulator. He knows exactly when to strike and how to strike to get what he wants. Another likeness with Raven in ECW. He knew that if he struck at that particular moment he'd have Ambrose's full attention, pulling the carpet out from underneath him.

There is chaos in his logic and logic in his chaos.

Which is fine, too. I hope no one thinks I am saying anyone is wrong, they are just all different perspectives.

I don't really think Wyatt is a madman at all. His character is a bit of a sociopath, but contrary to what people think , sociopaths are not insane. Their minds work fine, but their emotions work differently than most people. But he definitely is a master manipulator. And I think the perfect foil for Ambrose,

 

[Jacob Fox]

Oh, I see... Apologies, bro.

No problem I still enjoyed the debate