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Crayo said:
Of course Punk isn't fed up; he's feuding with one of the top guys in the company. He is obviously into it, but it's hard carrying the promotion side of things with Undertaker. WWE have not done enough creatively with this feud. I've summed it up here: http://wweforums.net/thread-22464.html

Nice BITW post there Dolph's.

While I agree with the part about him feuding with one of the top guys in the company and Punk liking it in that regard, are we sure he's really that into it? To me he puts more into his promos when he's really feeling it and into it. Maybe this is because of his injury/injuries or because of creative keeping him restricted, I don't know. But I thought in a previous interview, Punk himself indicated this wouldn't be a match he'd be that much into -- a match when everyone knows the winner going into it, etc. So I honestly figured he wasn't much into this feud or too pumped for it based on his previous comments and the situation.
 

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Crayo said:
Of course Punk isn't fed up; he's feuding with one of the top guys in the company. He is obviously into it, but it's hard carrying the promotion side of things with Undertaker. WWE have not done enough creatively with this feud. I've summed it up here: http://wweforums.net/thread-22464.html

Nice BITW post there Dolph's.

Nice awards that you have there.

HAHAHAA zing.
 
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Everything after the first week feels exactly like padding. I don't feel like anything has progressed in the slightest since the very first week, and that's a problem. I'd say the main reason for this is that this feud lacks any meat to it and it's completely one-noted. That's why I actually agree with deth/Goat that the urn thing just comes off as cheat rather than edgy. I'll compare it to the heart attack angle, the reason that didn't just feel like cheap heat to me because Lawler was one of the most prevalent figures in the early stages of Punk's heel turn. It was a built upon side feud, it had a little more to it than simply, "Punk being a dick." I understand the mind games aspect and no I didn't feel this at first but the urn is the whole epicenter of the feud and it's not a stable on.

To summarize, WWE is substituting solid storytelling for cheap heat in the urn, which WWE is centering the entire basis of the feud around and doing it poorly. The result is a build that felt like it was over on the first show, resulting in the post-weeks feeling like padding that's only point is to remind you that they're wrestling at Mania. One way to fix this feud and give it some meat would be to do what Lockard suggested awhile back, having Punk mentioning the past crimes (for lack of a better word) that Taker committed. Of course the ship has sailed on that one, but it would've been nice.
 

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Man I don't know why that somebody has never thought to throw away the Urn.
 

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Mustafar Reginald said:
Everything after the first week feels exactly like padding. I don't feel like anything has progressed in the slightest since the very first week, and that's a problem. I'd say the main reason for this is that this feud lacks any meat to it and it's completely one-noted. That's why I actually agree with deth/Goat that the urn thing just comes off as cheat rather than edgy. I'll compare it to the heart attack angle, the reason that didn't just feel like cheap heat to me because Lawler was one of the most prevalent figures in the early stages of Punk's heel turn. It was a built upon side feud, it had a little more to it than simply, "Punk being a dick." I understand the mind games aspect and no I didn't feel this at first but the urn is the whole epicenter of the feud and it's not a stable on.

To summarize, WWE is substituting solid storytelling for cheap heat in the urn, which WWE is centering the entire basis of the feud around and doing it poorly. The result is a build that felt like it was over on the first show, resulting in the post-weeks feeling like padding that's only point is to remind you that they're wrestling at Mania. One way to fix this feud and give it some meat would be to do what Lockard suggested awhile back, having Punk mentioning the past crimes (for lack of a better word) that Taker committed. Of course the ship has sailed on that one, but it would've been nice.

There's still one Raw left so there is still time (ok, we know it won't happen, but still.) It would be all the more fitting for it to happen on the last Raw before Wrestlemania because it's the last chance to build the match, and Punk can summarize everything up from stealing the urn to reminding everyone of Taker (and Bearer's) past deeds and saying that this Sunday, Undertaker gets his ultimate comeuppance by losing his streak and Bearer will be there at ringside to witness it (as ashes in an urn lol.) Punk can then say he'll dump the ashes out afterwards and get rid of the urn forever, and thus put the final nail in the Undertaker's career.

I don't mind the urn stuff, it makes Punk look like a dick but it only makes the feud decent at best. Undertaker has barely spoken a word the entire time, and since we just came off an awesome build last year with the "End Of An Era" stuff and Taker reaching 20-0 and there being no real doubt as to him winning this year, they really needed something else to make this feud seem special and they just don't have it. I think Punk (or anyone) stealing the urn would have worked better in, say, 1993 instead of 2013. Back then, Taker still derived his supernatural power from the urn and stealing it was like crippling him and controlling him in a way.
 

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Respect Gohan6425 said:
Well that ownly have 5 week to start this up. And WWE creteness the day what can u do? I think that when for the Urn Angles over the "Respect" Angles b/c I think that wanted Punk to have something to make Taker want to beat him at WM more then he already has before. People need to remember that Punk a heel right now and he need to look that way going into to that match. I think u all right just use to Taker facing someone who another face like he been the last 4 WM. If that would have done a "Respect" Angles it would have been chese b/c that would have been more about Punk winning a match against Taker. And really would not do anything for Taker. Taker would have no reason to face Punk it would made no sesen. The only way that could have done a "Respect" Angles is if CM Punk was still the WWE Champion and Taker come back to vs. him for the title to show him really RESPECT! But that did not have been thanks to the rock! So for this Angle that needed to do something would piss Taker off to want to get even more even then before with CM Punk and what could that be? HIS URN!
Why don't you write always like this ?:upset:
 

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Mustafar Reginald said:
Everything after the first week feels exactly like padding. I don't feel like anything has progressed in the slightest since the very first week, and that's a problem. I'd say the main reason for this is that this feud lacks any meat to it and it's completely one-noted. That's why I actually agree with deth/Goat that the urn thing just comes off as cheat rather than edgy. I'll compare it to the heart attack angle, the reason that didn't just feel like cheap heat to me because Lawler was one of the most prevalent figures in the early stages of Punk's heel turn. It was a built upon side feud, it had a little more to it than simply, "Punk being a dick." I understand the mind games aspect and no I didn't feel this at first but the urn is the whole epicenter of the feud and it's not a stable on.

To summarize, WWE is substituting solid storytelling for cheap heat in the urn, which WWE is centering the entire basis of the feud around and doing it poorly. The result is a build that felt like it was over on the first show, resulting in the post-weeks feeling like padding that's only point is to remind you that they're wrestling at Mania. One way to fix this feud and give it some meat would be to do what Lockard suggested awhile back, having Punk mentioning the past crimes (for lack of a better word) that Taker committed. Of course the ship has sailed on that one, but it would've been nice.

Hey dude, I really enjoy reading your posts. I've been more of a gawker here lately but I wanted to give this a shout. Great stuff and i spent 10 mins on this page, half of which was staring at your avatar.

Anyways, I also agree that this is very cheap, as mentioned by @goat and you. I'd love to know what would have been the story had paul not died? I guess you're not supposed to think of life that way but it's something i'm going to wonder for atleast the next 5 mins.
 

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I agree. I almost voted for Mustafar for MOTM just to give him a shout, but I can't go against Seabs.

Dude's posts are always great to read.
 

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Danielson said:
I'd love to know what would have been the story had paul not died? I guess you're not supposed to think of life that way but it's something i'm going to wonder for atleast the next 5 mins.

I don't know why so many people wonder this because the Respect angle was obviously the path they would have likely taken. It's what people were talking about for weeks before Paul Bearer even died. Punk wants respect and for people to recognize (in his egotistical mind) that he is the best in the world, Undertaker is probably the most respected man in the WWE (that logic is carried over from real life), ending the almighty Wrestlemania streak would be the ultimate accomplishment for anyone, etc.
 

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KLockard23 said:
I don't know why so many people wonder this because the Respect angle was obviously the path they would have likely taken. It's what people were talking about for weeks before Paul Bearer even died. Punk wants respect and for people to recognize (in his egotistical mind) that he is the best in the world, Undertaker is probably the most respected man in the WWE (that logic is carried over from real life), ending the almighty Wrestlemania streak would be the ultimate accomplishment for anyone, etc.

What's weird is that Undertaker buried Bearer in cement (which no one would survive) but years later, he comes back with Kane to fight Edge.
 

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What's weird is that Undertaker buried Bearer in cement (which no one would survive) but years later, he comes back with Kane to fight Edge.

Just like the last time we saw Paul Bearer, he was being left tied up in a freezer by Kane, yet Kane is pissed about Punk interrupting his memorial ceremony.

Yeah, pro wrestling is weird like that.
 

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KLockard23 said:
Just like the last time we saw Paul Bearer, he was being left tied up in a freezer by Kane, yet Kane is pissed about Punk interrupting his memorial ceremony.

Yeah, pro wrestling is weird like that.

I know. WWE is confusing.
 

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KLockard23 said:
I don't know why so many people wonder this because the Respect angle was obviously the path they would have likely taken. It's what people were talking about for weeks before Paul Bearer even died. Punk wants respect and for people to recognize (in his egotistical mind) that he is the best in the world, Undertaker is probably the most respected man in the WWE (that logic is carried over from real life), ending the almighty Wrestlemania streak would be the ultimate accomplishment for anyone, etc.

Well because I'd like to think they might have come up with something cooler.
:facepalm1: Silly me I guess.