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They need to hurry up so my Cavs can wrap up the title.

Title for worst team? Nahhh I kid.

But really I don't see this lockout ending anytime soon and I'm beyond caring. To the point now where its like... just stay in lock out and don't get paid cause you don't deserve the paychecks. Just let us enjoy college basketball.
 

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Title for worst team? Nahhh I kid.

But really I don't see this lockout ending anytime soon and I'm beyond caring. To the point now where its like... just stay in lock out and don't get paid cause you don't deserve the paychecks. Just let us enjoy college basketball.

College Basketball regular season is trash.

Not making any predictions right now cuz we're just a few hours away from finding out.
 

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You guys know the players haven't missed a check right? Their first checks for the season are cut on November 16. This isn't My Player where you get paid up front for the season. The only players who have gotten checks are the ones who choose to get paid in 12 month installments over 10 last season.

As for lockout length, the NBA has been locked out 132 days, same as the NFL
 

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Curious and I don't feel like looking it up, are they past the point the last time they missed games in terms of when the season started?
 

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You mean in 1999? Yes. That season started on February 5 and ended May 5
 

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Yea well they still have time then based off that, I think a whole season isn't going to happen, but having games start mid December could happen.
 

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I don't think they miss their Christmas money
 

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I don't think they miss their Christmas money

Certainly hope not...I can't remember the last Christmas I didn't watch the Orlando Magic. Would be really depressing without it..but such is life for a Met/Magic fan...Just hoping to see Dwight Howard in the uniform for a few more games.

Glad that a few steps were taken in the right direction today..but something is telling me that it'll be another red herring. They really just need to put this behind them.
 

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You guys know the players haven't missed a check right? Their first checks for the season are cut on November 16. This isn't My Player where you get paid up front for the season. The only players who have gotten checks are the ones who choose to get paid in 12 month installments over 10 last season.

As for lockout length, the NBA has been locked out 132 days, same as the NFL
Difference there wasn't a single regular season game missed. Only game that was missed as far as the NFL goes was the Hall Of Fame preseason game which is nothing.
 

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Once NBA players digest all the details of the owners' new contract proposal -- including a clause that opens a way for more player demotions to the D-League -- it's hard to imagine even those desperate to play would be willing to ratify it, sources told ESPN The Magazine's Ric Bucher.

The D-League clause, which previously had not been disclosed, is one of several elements in the owners' proposal to the locked-out players that prompted one agent to describe the proposal as "draconian."

The clause would give teams the right to send a player down to the NBA Development League at any time during his first five years, paying him a reduced contract while he's there, a source who has examined the proposal told Bucher.

Any player sent down to the D-League would be paid at a pro-rated scale of $75,000 a season, which is slightly above the current D-League maximum but roughly one-sixth of the NBA minimum, the source said.

The owners' new proposal also would prohibit luxury tax-paying teams from sign-and-trade deals after a two-year "phase-in" period, according to sources.

Non-tax-paying teams also would be prohibited from using the mid-level exception if doing so would take them over the salary cap, sources said.

"They don't want to do a deal," one agent said of the owners' proposals. "And what they've underestimated is the resolve of the players."

The owners also proposed offseason drug testing and raising the age limit to 20 years old to enter the league, sources said.

A league official qualified both those issues and the NBDL clause as "B List" items that are still open to negotiation and not among the main points commissioner David Stern said are no longer up for discussion.

Stern on Thursday offered players a deal that would, if approved, allow for 72-game season that would start Dec. 15.

Yet the league's latest pitch, according to sources briefed on its contents after adjustments were made Thursday night, contained what the union regards as minuscule financial inducements for the players after nearly 24 hours of negotiations this week.

That disappointed union leaders, who were expecting more after they made a commitment earlier in the week, for the first time since the lockout began, to accept a 50-50 split of annual Basketball Related Income.

"It's not the greatest proposal in the world," NBPA executive director Billy Hunter said of the proposal. "But I have an obligation to at least present it to our membership. So that's what we're going to do."

Hunter said he plans to present the proposal to the player representatives from all 30 teams as early as Monday, as a possible prelude to a full vote from the union's estimated 450 members.

"We don't expect them to love every aspect of our revised proposal," Stern conceded Thursday. "I would say that there are many teams that don't like every aspect of our revised proposal.

"(But) we moved as far as we could and now we're at where we're at."

Dallas Mavericks player representative Jason Terry said that if the new proposal is not a substantial improvement from the league's prior offers, players will be prepared to walk away, even if it threatens the season.

"For us to take a bad deal at this point, as players, would be not good for the game of basketball and it won't be good for the players going on into the future," Terry said Friday morning during an appearance on the "Ben and Skin Show" on 103.3 FM ESPN in Dallas.

"In life and society there are three classes: There's the upper class, the middle class and lower class," Terry said. "And what the owners are trying to do right now, what their proposal is, get rid of the middle class so you have one or two guys on each team making 'X' and the rest of the guys crunched down at a smaller number and then no middle ground."

The most notable elements of the new proposal, confirmed by sources on both sides to ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard, are the rise of the "mini mid-level exception" from $2.5 million every other season to $3 million every season and the creation of the additional $2.5 million exception for teams that qualify.

The league, sources said, also relented to some degree on its insistence that taxed teams can't participate in sign-and-trade deals.

Owners are now proposing a phase-in of that restriction that would start in Year 3 of a new labor pact, meaning that prominent summer 2012 free agents such as Dwight Howard, Chris Paul, Deron Williams and Steve Nash still would be eligible to switch teams via sign-and-trade.

The owners, sources say, also have offered to raise minimum team payrolls (which historically had been 75 percent of the salary cap) and raise some season-to-season salary increases.

But one source close to the process told Broussard that while these changes may look significant, "the problem with all of that is that the owners changed the definition of a taxpayer in a way that would destroy (Larry) Bird rights and make it almost impossible to be a taxpayer, so the exceptions would be lost anyway."

ESPN.com
 

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D League Clause = Are you fucking kidding me?

That is the biggest crock of shit I've seen proposed since Jordan's group wanted 63/37

What they need to do is make it so that the D League has an initiative to welcome in high school graduates. They could learn much more there about adjusting to the league on and off the court than in college for a year
 
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Yeah it's shitty.I was kind of optimistic the past few days because it seemed like both sides were getting really close to coming up with a deal but the owners are still dicking the players and union around.
 

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So instead of trading the player to cut cost you can now just d-league his ass to make him make way less. That is some dirty bullshit right there. I agree with what PSYCH said because I don't like having to make these high school guys who are talented have to make themselves go to college when some of them in part want to go to the nba because of their families circumstance. So let em go to the D-league to develop and still make some money and get to go to the NBA when they are ready. This dumb proposal is just for them to be able to cover up a fuck up they may make in the draft or an out to cut cost.
 

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Send high school grads to the d league for 2 years before they can be drafted and let them make 25-30k a season (I remember Matt Caroll saying the nbdl paid for an apartment for the players during the season, nothing big but neither is a dorm). That doesn't seem like a lot, but it would allow for them to earn money for their families. The d league already offers mandatory classes to teach its players how to manage money, so that would help the kids out considerably. They would get access to a training staff. They would get top workout equipment. They would get used to life on the road since the d league plays more games than college and some euro teams. They would get to deal with pro coaches, scouting reports, and even refs before who also have to do time there before getting promoted. Plus the league has a tv deal with Versus so they would get sme exposure for themselves and be used to having some limelight that isn't refined to a campus.

I just don't see the downfall for the young players who don't really want to go to college. They wouldn't be wasting their time with cake classes and the colleges could give the scholarship money to other kids who want to get degrees. The d league would get attention. And at the end of the day you have a much better game imonbecause you can shape the players body, teach them fundamentals, and even lessen the chance of them hitting a rookie wall when they enter the league. Even the NCAA won't take a hit that bad because players will always lineup for UCLA, Duke, UNC, LSU, and so on.

The fact that they don't make a concerted effort to recruit the players even to the d league out of high school, when it is the high school players who defined the last decade I'd just dumb to me. I mean the only one to go the route of high school to d league was Latavious Williams and he admittedly was frowned upon for doing it by the d league team personnel. That makes no sense to me
 
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I never got the logic of making them go to college when they have no case as to why. Not like one year is gonna get them really anymore ready for the pros than going straight to the league. And they can't even say it is cause education because all they're there for pass or fail is to get to the league. All you do is tell your college coach is make this guy a college star and get him to the NBA since that is all he is there for. Makes a mockery of going to college in the end.

As much as I would like to see the high school to d-league deal since that makes too much sense I just see them making it where u have to spend a few years at least in college like the NFL.