Also I don't think I mentioned this here but I meant to and it's loosely related but Billy Corgan was on Mat Men last week, really don't have any negatives to say about it, I think I "get" him more now and he made good points.
But I absolutely lost it when he was talking about how he prides himself on how diverse the NWA is, which is 100% true tbh, they essentially check all the categories and he said its not on purpose but bc the talent rises to the top regardless of if they're gay, straight, non-binary, black, white, etc. But it's like halfway through talking about that (and me being shocked myself he was spending so much time on it), he remembered the base he catered to and he goes "but now we're extremely diverse, but we're not WOKE"
