MTG Mafia, Angels vs. Enemies - Game Thread

[Poyser]

I'm reading Poyser's game where OMB repped in and I'm not seeing this tell at all.



The X's were mafia, O's were town in this read list.





I guess this game might not be the best to look at since he repped in though but I'm not seeing it here. Will keep digging while I have time at work though

 

[Poyser]

Okay Mr. Robot mafia looks better for Poyser's tell. OMB has rarely given out any town reads and has been pretty harshly reading a few people scum (he is town)

It took him a bit to actually name a scum read though, will have to look to see how early he made some town reads in his scum games bc if the tell is true...you may have still jumped the gun a little early for it to be usable here

Who did he town read so far this game, was it Grim?

Before or after EV claimed? I know I could read back but I"m looking at old games rn so help me out

I'm not translating his PR from Music Mafia, what was the other scum game to work with? I don't think I played it

It's Better Call Saul and I see it in his first post with reads for sure. I bet this is what pinged you really Poyser bc it's noticeably different than his town way of playing. I just don't know if I see the tell though, he hasn't had enough scum games and he didn't really do it in Music Mafia from what little I read until I said fuck translating his PR.

There's definitely something there, I just think it's mostly that Better Call Saul game where it was egregious.

Yeah he's way more generous with town reads as scum it seems. I kinda wish you would have let it breathe a little more this game just to see if he gave out more easily or not.

If he's caught scum then it doesn't matter though

Eh this does kinda seem like genuinely weighing it up tho. Just not sure who goes to this much effort this early to prove/disprove a tell on OMB who isn’t exactly useful either way lol

 

[Poyser]

I like Lethal after that readback and his notes though they were all oddly about Jeff and no one else i noticed

Jeff's reaction though I think I'd go him over OMB at the moment, though I don't really think they'd be aligned as scummates. Lynching either is fine with me unless Jeff or OMB can convince me otherwise. Gonna hold off on voting Jeff quite yet though because there's a good few hours left and he's got a good few votes on him

This didn’t age well of course

 

[Poyser]

I'm still uncertain Jeff goes full in on calling OMB a liar if they're teammates like he did but he was super confident it would confirm him so thats leading me to think they could be teamed

This 180 comes after me (and I think CP) point out that they could easily be aligned

 

[Poyser]

Tweet said he softed earlier, did anyone notice it?

Tho this coming minutes after tweet was revealed janitored is interesting because why janitor someone you know has said they softed their role lol

 

[Poyser]

From a very quick few ISOs just based on Jeff/OMB interactions I have no reason to town read Alco/Rugrat/Banez/Evans. Evans I still believe is probably town based on play but he's still in POE

I mean, I'd put you, N0M, Lawls, Brutus and those before me but you do you

Oh yeah lol what reasons do you have to town read lawls and Brutus Chris?

They had posts D1 that I would be surprised they'd make if they were aligned with Jeff. POE is still pretty high bc I'm not clearly anyone, but I didn't see anything specific from you related to Jeff or OMB that made me think you couldn't be aligned. I agree your claim is good and I wouldn't be pushing you anytime soon

Ninja'd with that but Lawls had a few questions directed towards Jeff in his very few posts including questioning his read list. Brutus was also pretty sus of him and OMB. I'm not clearly them by any means but I'm trying to narrow down POE.

You know what I kinda agree with you chris after reading through lawls and Brutus’ points and I think you trying to clear them is a pretty good look for you as well. We might be being pretty generous with Brutus in particular but I quite like some of his posts and trying to clear you/figure out Rugrat so he can move towards the bottom of the PoE

Out of the few I looked over that didn't have all that many posts I thought Lawls looked the best just playing off Jeff, then to a lesser extent Brutus and then to an even lesser extent N0M. But it was enough that I'd look elsewhere today.

If Rugrat is going to be solving the game a read list would be appreciated soon

This interaction is quite interesting because he soft clears PHEN0M and never elaborates on why. He says he looks good for playing around jeff but from what I remember I think N0M just voted jeff without saying anything else about him so not entirely sure where it comes from

 

[Poyser]

I suggested it on D1 that Jeff was going at OMB hard as fuck and scum read him for it. Never tried to use that fact to defend OMB after Jeff's flip though bc I was already pretty sure they were both scum just that Jeff was more likely

I think this is a lie

 

[Chris]

I think this is a lie

Jeff accusing OMB of lying when I thought OMB probably just misremembered was one of the reasons I was scum reading Jeff. I said multiple times I would lynch either and you and CP convinced me that they could easily have been aligned still. That was after Jeff's flip which I misremembered but it was still fairly early in night if I'm not mistaken.

 

[Poyser]

what am i dodging? is it mass claim?


phen0m is protection too eh?

oh okay


we can lynch phen0m

vote phen0m

Does this mean you’re protection then lel

vote phenom

Did N0M lie to us

Wait hang on @Showtime

If you’re protection then what do you think are the chances you stopped the kill last night? It could be Banez that is full of shit

Mainly because I have Banez scum on play and he originally claimed BG and said he protected you both nights. Then when alco asked if he was a seraph knight, he asked what a seraph knight was. When explained he said oh ya that’s my role. I asked him what his role was called and why did he claim BG and he said he actually misread it and it’s called seraph knight

Yeah Magic does your usage have anything to do with why there may have only been one kill?

im a compulsive x doctor

i thought the number of kills last night were 2

No just CP which Evans is claiming

i mean it is possible i guess. i protect poyser too lol.

Alright so feasibly either magic or Banez could have stopped the kill last night lol. Annoying

unvote

Will go through N0Ms posts in a little while

Would Magic's protection on Poyser cancel out N0M's death if they're both legit and Banez is a fake? Bc that would explain why N0M is still alive, why there was no kill other than EV's and Poyser would be a more practical kill choice for scum than CP if they didn't shoot Magic

I’d assume so ya

Magic why do you think it's N0M and not Banez lying?

I'm inclined to believe Magic at least just bc him calling for protection seems like something he'd do if he was the protection bc then people have an easy out to say why they protected Magic...which Banez did. Just confused why Magic went straight to N0M first instead of Banez

Okay so my role is basically where I can find out the number of visits each player received, I used my role on N1 - these were the results:

Magic received one visit
E-V received one visit
OMB received two visits
Poyser received one visit
Tweet received one visit
Big Man received one visit

ive visited you twice.

That’s that then

vote phenom

I was coming in to say this lmao def look as his results hard bc he botched them a bit during that scum game when he had a wild claim like this. I'm at lunch rn but I'll go back and see how they match up with what we know so far in a bit

Ah yeah thats true, would be a crazy gamble for Rugs to fake that with a few claims still out there

Vote N0M

I’m not sure how harshly I can judge this considering I was on Banez’ case too but it looks terrible in hindsight. First the super weak town read on phenom that wasn’t really warranted and here he looks for whatever reasons he can not to vote phenom. Like he doesn’t bite when magic almost counter claims him, he doesn’t even bite when Rugrat reveals results (which kinda show banez telling the truth) and tries to cast a bit of doubt on Rugrat before I kebosh it and then even when magic reveals he protected me N1 he kinda just lets us discuss it in the thread (EV was trying to get magic lynched instead) and it’s only when N0M is pretty much dead that he eventually votes. Worth noting that he didn’t have any reservations with any of his other votes that phase, voting banez and then Rugrat fairly quickly and easily

 

[Poyser]

Jeff accusing OMB of lying when I thought OMB probably just misremembered was one of the reasons I was scum reading Jeff. I said multiple times I would lynch either and you and CP convinced me that they could easily have been aligned still. That was after Jeff's flip which I misremembered but it was still fairly early in night if I'm not mistaken.

Yes the thing is you’re saying you were pretty sure they were both scum but jeff was more likely. That’s a lie because before jeff’s flip you kept saying you didn’t think they were aligned. You said so again after the flip I’m pretty sure, but as you said me and CP convinced you otherwise

 

[Alco]

Poyser, can I just throw in that this complete falling of a cliff on my part is mostly due to it being Saturday and I rarely am able to be very present during weekends. I suppose you have some questions for me? I've got some time now, so lets use both of our times wisely

 

[Chris]

Poyser, can I just throw in that this complete falling of a cliff on my part is mostly due to it being Saturday and I rarely am able to be very present during weekends. I suppose you have some questions for me? I've got some time now, so lets use both of our times wisely

You need to claim as everyone else but Poyser has

 

[Chris]

Yes the thing is you’re saying you were pretty sure they were both scum but jeff was more likely. That’s a lie because before jeff’s flip you kept saying you didn’t think they were aligned. You said so again after the flip I’m pretty sure, but as you said me and CP convinced you otherwise

Eh yeah I was misremembering bc of how easily you guys convinced me they could be aligned still bc I wasn't 100% sold that they couldn't have been.

 

[Poyser]

I like Lethal after that readback and his notes though they were all oddly about Jeff and no one else i noticed

Jeff's reaction though I think I'd go him over OMB at the moment, though I don't really think they'd be aligned as scummates. Lynching either is fine with me unless Jeff or OMB can convince me otherwise. Gonna hold off on voting Jeff quite yet though because there's a good few hours left and he's got a good few votes on him

I think you’re spinning a false narrative today because first you said you decided to bus jeff over OMB but you actually didn’t, you only voted jeff when it was one away from a hammer so he was done. Here you do say you would vote either but as you said, jeff was also already on a lot of votes here. In fact I think this looks quite bad because idk why you’d vote either if you specifically think they’re NOT aligned. In which case surely you would have a stronger opinion on which one, because choosing correctly would clear the other in your mind

 

[Poyser]

Poyser, can I just throw in that this complete falling of a cliff on my part is mostly due to it being Saturday and I rarely am able to be very present during weekends. I suppose you have some questions for me? I've got some time now, so lets use both of our times wisely

I need your claim and your PoE plz if you have one