Mr. Perfect Underrated?

[Airfixx]

For arguments sake though, lets say that this story is true and Hogan refused to drop the belt to Mr. Perfect that night. It’s still ridiculous to blame Hogan for him never being a world champion because of what happened one night. Macho Man and Sgt. Slaughter both became world champions without defeating Hogan for the belt. So if Vince McMahon really wanted Mr. Perfect to get a title reign at some point but Hogan didn’t want to drop the belt to him, there were clearly ways around it, and ways to get the belt around Mr. Perfect’s waist. So let’s use some logic here before we start with the Hogan is the reason he was never a world champion crap. If you really feel the need to blame someone for Mr. Perfect not being a world champion in the WWF, then blame Vince McMahon, not Hulk Hogan.

Both those reigns were long term pro-Hogan programs.

In particular, there's NO WAY Slaughter, the US traitor, gets the title unless they plan on having A REAL AMERICAN beat him. Meanwhile, Savages reign allowed Hogan to make and promote the formentioned movies. Also, remember the original plan was to have Dibiase win the belt at WM4 and add to that the (admittedly awesome) Evil Earl title change that allowed Hogan to drop the belt without a clean loss and you've got another intended pro-Hogan program where Hogan eventually get's the better of Dibiase in a fued which taps into the same emotions as Flair/Dusty.

Simply having Perfect & The Genius get the better of Hogan is a different proposition altogether.


I'm not bashing Hogan per say, but please see the bigger picture of those storylines.



Edit: ......Boy did it suck that Beefcake beat Perfect at WM6.

Lanny Poffo's hard to obtain shoot.

Oh, man that's an awesome shoot... It gave me nuff respect for the guy. I love the guys that just sound like they loved every minute of their run (The Charles Wright aka PapaShango/Kama/Godfather one is kinda cool in that respect too).

Didn't know it was rare tho'... I have it so if anyone is particularly interested in hearing it PM me and I can upload an audio rip for you. (It's about 4 hours so uploading a vid would take way too long on my crappy old PC).

 

[Next Big Thing]

Both those reigns were long term pro-Hogan programs.

In particular, there's NO WAY Slaughter, the US traitor, gets the title unless they plan on having A REAL AMERICAN beat him. Meanwhile, Savages reign allowed Hogan to make and promote the formentioned movies. Also, remember the original plan was to have Dibiase win the belt at WM4 and add to that the (admittedly awesome) Evil Earl title change that allowed Hogan to drop the belt without a clean loss and you've got another intended pro-Hogan program where Hogan eventually get's the better of Dibiase in a fued which taps into the same emotions as Flair/Dusty.

Simply having Perfect & The Genius get the better of Hogan is a different proposition altogether.


I'm not bashing Hogan per say, but please see the bigger picture of those storylines.

You're right, both Savage and Slaughter dropped the belt to Hogan. It still doesn't change anything that I said though. They were still world champions and did it without beating Hogan, just like Mr. Perfect could have done if Hogan really didn’t want to drop the belt to him. They could have given Mr. Perfect a title run, just too ultimately lose to Hogan. But they chose not to, and it's not at all Hogan's fault, which was the point I was trying to make.

 

[Airfixx]

^^^I hear ya, and like I said, I'm not bashing Hogan per say, but there's a certain poigniency to the fact that you're needing to underline the "without beating Hogan for the title" point....

Off topic somewhat: Slaughter just got lucky cos of the war at the time.

 

[He who knows more than Nation]

I could be 15, 25 or 35, and it wouldn’t make a damn bit of difference here. I’m merely asking for some kind of source to back up your claim. What I find funny about what you just said is that you prove later on in your post that age is completely irrelevant in this situation, by saying that the Internet wasn’t around back then. People weren’t hearing stories about things like this the way they do today. And even if there was a way for this kind of stuff to get out back then, provided you really are 26, you would have only been 6 or 7 at the time and almost certainly wouldn't have been aware of any of this kind of news. So obviously you heard about this story years after it happened, making age a complete non issue here.

1. Yes they did. The Observer is olddd. Like 86 or something. This was something that was indeed covered by an old observer. I used to subscribe to Da Meltz way back in 99 and he used to post old shit, and this has been posted there. That's a source. Sorry I failed to mention that, all the shit I mention I have heard before the Impact Wrestling Forum existed. I gave your sources anyways, in the Shoot Interviews, like Airfixx said, he can upload that shit. Guess what? Poffo was there. That's about as fuckin credible as you can get.

2. I was making the age argument as to WHY you haven't heard this. And as I said, back then before the internet ruined wrestling and the IWC was small, these were the stories that went around. Nowadays they've been replaced by wrestlers younger fans know about and their stories. How many 15-20 year olds are really aware of Mr. Perfect enough to actually follow through on his stuff? None, since they weren't six or seven when he was tough. I was well aware enough to follow through when I was 15 and discovered the IWC and he was still relevant then to have info like this on him. That's where the age issue is. Not about who knows what from where, anyone can be a stat rat, I'm just a fan who is aware of stuff of the wrestler's I've enjoyed. Savvy?

This is what you give me as a source? Who the fuck wrote this? If I go and write up a biography on a wrestler and make up crap, will you use it as a reference to back up one of your arguments?

I really don't give two shits about your critique on the column, I posted that just to show you that other people have heard the same story, so doesn't really matter what the fuck you dissected from it, it isn't my opinion anyhow. So nice way to try and pad a point that didn't exist. I never called it a "source" I just said it alludes to it. Alludes to it. Way to read between the lines, you little bugger you.

For arguments sake though, lets say that this story is true and Hogan refused to drop the belt to Mr. Perfect that night. It’s still ridiculous to blame Hogan for him never being a world champion because of what happened one night. Macho Man and Sgt. Slaughter both became world champions without defeating Hogan for the belt. So if Vince McMahon really wanted Mr. Perfect to get a title reign at some point but Hogan didn’t want to drop the belt to him, there were clearly ways around it, and ways to get the belt around Mr. Perfect’s waist. So let’s use some logic here before we start with the Hogan is the reason he was never a world champion crap. If you really feel the need to blame someone for Mr. Perfect not being a world champion in the WWF, then blame Vince McMahon, not Hulk Hogan.

I'm not blaming Hogan for Perfect NEVER being world champ. If you read correctly, I said could you imagine how Perfect would have been remembered HAD HE PINNED HOGAN. Don't get it twisted and don't put words in my mouth. Hogan was THE BIGGEST RUB in the entire industry and flat out refused to give a RUB to Perfect. Do you realize how many titles Perfect could have achieved with THAT rub? So in a sense you can blame Hogan for Perfect never being champ, but I never said that nor do I stand by that, you can just claim I did since you can read between the lines so well.