Money in the Bank Mr. Money in the Bank....Finally time to turn heel?

[William]

WWE won't even do this until they have another guy at John Cena's level with merchandise and a solid fanbase. They could of done this with Zack Ryder but WWE are dumb fucks.....He was the most over guy in Madison Square Garden, They were chanting "We want Ryder" all of Dolph Ziggler's and John Morrisson's match. Madison Square Garden for fuck sake. So if WWE did things right Zack Ryder could be a future John Cena. But then again when do WWE do anything right?

 

[Crayo]

I continue to be bewildered as to why people think a Cena heel turn would just be the greatest thing ever. He's already a heel for a big chunk of the audience, but he's also a face for the rest of the audience. Keeping him the way he is allows you to play with both sides of the audience.

That is so false, I hate that argument. He's not a heel to none of the audience, just because he gets boo'd by some smarks it doesn't mean he's a heel. I'd rather boo him because he beat the shit out of a face and cut a really crowd-offensive promo instead of booing because he's fucking boring to listen to and the most irritating superstar to watch.

Cena is an amazing talent, he can play a heel beautifully. Watching him in his current state just reminds me what a waste state that he's in. Heel Cena opens up so many potential storylines and awesome moments.

 

[Stopspot]

That is so false, I hate that argument. He's not a heel to none of the audience, just because he gets boo'd by some smarks it doesn't mean he's a heel. I'd rather boo him because he beat the s*** out of a face and cut a really crowd-offensive promo instead of booing because he's F**cking boring to listen to and the most irritating superstar to watch.

Cena is an amazing talent, he can play a heel beautifully. Watching him in his current state just reminds me what a waste state that he's in. Heel Cena opens up so many potential storylines and awesome moments.

Exactely. The fans who are bored with Cena shouldn't chant Boo at him and hope he changes. They should be chanting Boring. That way WWE actually gets a message out of the reaction.

 

[Crayo]

Exactely. The fans who are bored with Cena shouldn't chant Boo at him and hope he changes. They should be chanting Boring. That way WWE actually gets a message out of the reaction.

Exactly*

 

[Lockard 23]

That is so false, I hate that argument. He's not a heel to none of the audience, just because he gets boo'd by some smarks it doesn't mean he's a heel. I'd rather boo him because he beat the s*** out of a face and cut a really crowd-offensive promo instead of booing because he's F**cking boring to listen to and the most irritating superstar to watch.

Cena is an amazing talent, he can play a heel beautifully. Watching him in his current state just reminds me what a waste state that he's in. Heel Cena opens up so many potential storylines and awesome moments.

He gets booed by a lot more than just a few smarks. The loud boos are pretty noticeable. If it was just a few smarks, the boos wouldn't be as loud and would be so small that neither WWE nor Cena would even bother addressing them. Cena first mentioned the boos he was getting as far back as 2006, if I recall. (If I recall, he got booed against Edge back in 2006 when he was in his own hometown.)

Heel Cena opens up possibilities for feuds we've already seen. Punk, Sheamus, Orton, etc. And if they change his character and make him sort of badass, odds are he'll probably get cheered again. You (and others) have said yourselves that the reason many boo him is because his character has become too corny and boring, so if they change that, those boos will likely lessen and maybe disappear completely.

 

[Crayo]

He gets booed by a lot more than just a few smarks. The loud boos are pretty noticeable. If it was just a few smarks, the boos wouldn't be as loud and would be so small that neither WWE nor Cena would even bother addressing them. Cena first mentioned the boos he was getting as far back as 2006, if I recall. (If I recall, he got booed against Edge back in 2006 when he was in his own hometown.)

Heel Cena opens up possibilities for feuds we've already seen. Punk, Sheamus, Orton, etc. And if they change his character and make him sort of badass, odds are he'll probably get cheered again. You (and others) have said yourselves that the reason many boo him is because his character has become too corny and boring, so if they change that, those boos will likely lessen and maybe disappear completely.

There is tons of smarks in WWE crowds now'adays, sometimes there are none. Have you watched RAW recently? Cena is hardly ever boo'd now. It's more 80-20 than 50-50. Either way, your point that "he's already a heel" is completely false. He is not a heel, he's a face that is cheered by many and hated by some and only because he's boring, not because he's playing a heel.

And no, you know there are a ton of potential feuds. A Cena heel turn could kick start one of the biggest storylines in history. Many here could come up with a ton of original turns for Cena. Also, you could then USE heel Cena to create a brand new super face like Cena was. Currently no one is even close to Cena's level.

 

[Lockard 23]

I said he was already a heel for about half of the crowd, which is true. And I think it's blind to say it's just the result of a growing number of smarks (especially after saying before that there was only just a few of them), I think it's because his character appeals mainly to children now (hence why he is corny) and because there is still a lot of adults in the audience (without children), they find him repetitive and boring. Also, if you're gonna argue that he gets less boos than he used to, then I would only further question the decision to turn him heel. I'd like to hear a specific scenario of how he could turn heel before believing that a Cena heel turn would somehow be one of the greatest things ever. (And it's hard to fantasy book it, simply because you never know what the crowd might react to in real life.)

 

[Stopspot]

I said he was already a heel for about half of the crowd, which is true. And I think it's blind to say it's just the result of a growing number of smarks (especially after saying before that there was only just a few of them), I think it's because his character appeals mainly to children now (hence why he is corny) and because there is still a lot of adults in the audience (without children), they find him repetitive and boring. Also, if you're gonna argue that he gets less boos than he used to, then I would only further question the decision to turn him heel. I'd like to hear a specific scenario of how he could turn heel before believing that a Cena heel turn would somehow be one of the greatest things ever. (And it's hard to fantasy book it, simply because you never know what the crowd might react to in real life.)

Half the crowd doesn't hate him. Only a small part of the people booing Cena actually hate him. A majority of them just boo him because he is boring (not a justifiable reason for hate.) They are just using the wrong method of voicing their opinion. Instead of chanting boo they should chant boring.

 

[Crayo]

I said he was already a heel for about half of the crowd, which is true. And I think it's blind to say it's just the result of a growing number of smarks (especially after saying before that there was only just a few of them), I think it's because his character appeals mainly to children now (hence why he is corny) and because there is still a lot of adults in the audience (without children), they find him repetitive and boring. Also, if you're gonna argue that he gets less boos than he used to, then I would only further question the decision to turn him heel. I'd like to hear a specific scenario of how he could turn heel before believing that a Cena heel turn would somehow be one of the greatest things ever. (And it's hard to fantasy book it, simply because you never know what the crowd might react to in real life.)

No, it's not true. You don't get it lol. I despise Sheamus, I would boo the crap out of him if I went to a live event. Does that make him a heel to me? No, not at all.

IMO he gets less boo's than he used to because they've either stopped trying to cause a turn or because at the moment he's not in any high profile feud (despite always being in the ME). Against Rock he was heavily boo'd, and it was hard to boo Cena against Brock because of how good Brock was as a heel.

Also, I dno't think I need to spoon-feed you storylines to persuade you. You're either on board with it or not, but it's really not hard coming up with different methods of turning him. You have The Rock -- one of the all time greats -- back sort of in WWE, how can you not come up with something to turn him? Also, kids boo any character change. Big Show was a smiley babyface who was cheered by kids, now he's a heel and he's boo'd by kids. They're not the members of the crowd which WWE struggles to manipulate, it's the older generation. Also, I think Cena's so hated to the point that we wouldn't even cheer him if he was an entertaining heel. It's cool to hatwe Cena if you're an older male and I don't think that'll change, especially against IWC darling faces like Rock, Jericho etc.

 

[Victoria Justice]

Cena to be first to loose MITB Cashin ?

 

[Aids Johnson]

Cena is going to win, and Punk is going to get his rematch and get his title back IMO.

 

[Lockard 23]

No, it's not true. You don't get it lol. I despise Sheamus, I would boo the crap out of him if I went to a live event. Does that make him a heel to me? No, not at all.

IMO he gets less boo's than he used to because they've either stopped trying to cause a turn or because at the moment he's not in any high profile feud (despite always being in the ME). Against Rock he was heavily boo'd, and it was hard to boo Cena against Brock because of how good Brock was as a heel.

Also, I dno't think I need to spoon-feed you storylines to persuade you. You're either on board with it or not, but it's really not hard coming up with different methods of turning him. You have The Rock -- one of the all time greats -- back sort of in WWE, how can you not come up with something to turn him? Also, kids boo any character change. Big Show was a smiley babyface who was cheered by kids, now he's a heel and he's boo'd by kids. They're not the members of the crowd which WWE struggles to manipulate, it's the older generation. Also, I think Cena's so hated to the point that we wouldn't even cheer him if he was an entertaining heel. It's cool to hatwe Cena if you're an older male and I don't think that'll change, especially against IWC darling faces like Rock, Jericho etc.

Finding someone boring is a good reason (in wrestling) to hate him if you ask me lol. And finding someone stale or boring doesn't always equate to "change the channel" kind of heat. Do you not wish that Sheamus would lose his belt to a more interesting wrestler (such as Ziggler, for example) because you find him boring? I've read people on here saying they wish Punk would drop the belt because they find his reign and character a bit boring.

Anyway, not to completely shoot down the idea of a Cena heel turn, but there is still a couple of reasons why I would object to it. For one, as already mentioned, I do think if he were an entertaining enough heel, people might start to cheer him. (You guys admit that he still gets more cheers than boos now anyway, and that it's mainly smarks who boo him out of boredom anyhow. ) That's how he turned babyface back in 2003 in the first place, his Thuganomics thing was so entertaining that it made him 'cooler' than the people who he was putting down (similar to the Rock turning face in 1999, ironically enough) and thus people started cheering for him. A similar thing could happen with Cena again. Another reason is the fact that his merchandise sells would almost certainly take a big hit, as heels just don't (in general) sell as much merch as faces do. Then there's all the charity work he does in real life, and that might lessen big time if Cena were heel. Hogan once said the only thing he disliked about being a bad guy was he rarely (if ever) did the kind of charity work like he used to, because it didn't fit with the heel persona he played in the ring.

 

[Asskicker]

Ya'll making lots of HQ posts but hopefully WM 29 will be the start of a new Cena era.

 

[Crayo]

Finding someone boring is a good reason (in wrestling) to hate him if you ask me lol. And finding someone stale or boring doesn't always equate to "change the channel" kind of heat. Do you not wish that Sheamus would lose his belt to a more interesting wrestler (such as Ziggler, for example) because you find him boring? I've read people on here saying they wish Punk would drop the belt because they find his reign and character a bit boring.

Anyway, not to completely shoot down the idea of a Cena heel turn, but there is still a couple of reasons why I would object to it. For one, as already mentioned, I do think if he were an entertaining enough heel, people might start to cheer him. (You guys admit that he still gets more cheers than boos now anyway, and that it's mainly smarks who boo him out of boredom anyhow. ) That's how he turned babyface back in 2003 in the first place, his Thuganomics thing was so entertaining that it made him 'cooler' than the people who he was putting down (similar to the Rock turning face in 1999, ironically enough) and thus people started cheering for him. A similar thing could happen with Cena again. Another reason is the fact that his merchandise sells would almost certainly take a big hit, as heels just don't (in general) sell as much merch as faces do. Then there's all the charity work he does in real life, and that might lessen big time if Cena were heel. Hogan once said the only thing he disliked about being a bad guy was he rarely (if ever) did the kind of charity work like he used to, because it didn't fit with the heel persona he played in the ring.

A heel is meant to be hated so much that people pay to see him beat at PPV's, thus making him/her a draw. I know zero people who pay specifically to watch Cena lose, because it doesn't happen. He's a face, the booking is completely different. He's booked to draw casuals who want him to beat the heels. I understand why you're saying it, but I seriously don't think that logic applies here.

For the first point, I agree. I don't think a Cena heel turn can be a long-term thing. He would be a heel for around 6-8 months, then I reckon he'd go to a tweener and eventually a face again. He is very good as a heel and would eventually get cheered by smarks. That's when you book him as a tweener and start selling his merch again which links with your second point. There's a lot of positives, I think it'd draw a lot. Storylines draw more than any one person in my opinion and a Cena heel turn will be the launch of a new company babyface -- at least temporarily anyway. They would make more money from PPV's and advertisements (rating boosts) than they would lose from less merch sales. CM Punk was out-selling Cena at one point in both males and females during his MITB 2011 run, that's proof that Cena can be replaced in that department.

 

[Aids Johnson]

Someone send Randy Savage in here, this argument had a winner 10 posts ago at least.