it's too early to draw conclusions,we still have to play man utd in december.I'll draw my conclusions in january.If we are to be out of the title race completely we will find out in january after the rush of december games.Now it's just too early.Anyhow if we finish 5-6 points off the champions and we have won one of the cups i would consider it a successful season.The key is we don't finish 10-15 points behind the champions.If that's the case then rafa would be walking on thin ice.But for now it's just a case of being patient.