John Cena vs. Bret Hart: Who is better?

[CenaMark54]

cenamark says US is 75% of world population but aren't they 240 Million while China is 1.2 billion.....

CenaMark never said that, Cena_Buttocks did >_>

If we are talking strictly about wrestling, then its Bret Hart by a mile. But wrestling has now become a big business, and when it comes to business (IE:MAKING MONEY!!) Cena > Bret. I don't like it, and no one else has to like it, but its the truth.

You are correct. There is really no right reason, it all depends on what your criteria is.

If your criteria is strictly in ring ability, you will go with Hart.
If it is charisma or drawing power you will go with Cena.

BTW, I love how people are confusing me with this Cena_Buttocks guy. I'll take it as a compliment. Cena_Buttocks is a true fan of wrestling and an ambassador of all things Cena. His love and dedication to Cena is unparalled. I almost think he is that kid who had the shocked look on his face when Cena lost to Edge. Or maybe that girl who started crying when Orton RKOed Cena on the chair. Either way he is a true chain gang soldier and not some smark pretending to like Cena for the laughs.

 

[excellence of execution]

If we are talking strictly about wrestling, then its Bret Hart by a mile. But wrestling has now become a big business, and when it comes to business (IE:MAKING MONEY!!) Cena > Bret. I don't like it, and no one else has to like it, but its the truth.

totally agree with you sp.Wrestlingwise any wrestler from stu hart's dungeon would be better than cena but cena brings more money than bret:xen: so bret vs cena is basically a draw:cowboy:

 

[NinoBrown]

Never liked Bret Hart, so Cena. But seriously, Hart is a better role model for the kids (he gives them his shades, now what kid wouldn't want something given to them by a wrestler, besides the usual thrown t-shirt into the audience) but market wise, Cena pwns.

 

[Montana]

Cena Mark...did you watch wrestling back in 1990? I somehow doubt you did, therefore how can rate or critize bret hart when you didnt watch his whole career, and only seen the ending of his career/old matches.


Another reason why i would lean towards bret hart, is that he was in argueably the two biggest fueds the wwf/e has ever done. Bret vs HBK, and Bret vs Stone cold are my two fav fueds of all time. Not to mention Bret Hart orginally started the vince mcmahon heel character.

I miss bret hart

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[Beer Money Army]

Cena Mark...did you watch wrestling back in 1990? I somehow doubt you did, therefore how can rate or critize bret hart when you didnt watch his whole career, and only seen the ending of his career/old matches.


Another reason why i would lean towards bret hart, is that he was in argueably the two biggest fueds the wwf/e has ever done. Bret vs HBK, and Bret vs Stone cold are my two fav fueds of all time. Not to mention Bret Hart orginally started the vince mcmahon heel character.

I miss bret hart

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I miss the bret Hart too.

nice find on Bret hart i got that whole Raw. That Bret hart vs Sid cage match has some much interference from taker and Austin that it lookj like it was booked by one of the people that write TNA..

Oh wait... TNA does have one of WWE 90's writers :1:

The Match could of been better but it's was an 4/10....


but Hart/austin and HArt/HBK were awesome feuds.....

Hart/diesel was good too.. I wish the Hart/taker they would of went more depth into there feuds. But in (7 before summerslam they were building Hart/HBK and Undertaker/Paul bearer secret and Kane....

 

[CenaMark54]

Cena Mark...did you watch wrestling back in 1990? I somehow doubt you did, therefore how can rate or critize bret hart when you didnt watch his whole career, and only seen the ending of his career/old matches.


Another reason why i would lean towards bret hart, is that he was in argueably the two biggest fueds the wwf/e has ever done. Bret vs HBK, and Bret vs Stone cold are my two fav fueds of all time. Not to mention Bret Hart orginally started the vince mcmahon heel character.

I miss bret hart

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I started watching wrestling back in 1985 or 1986. I used to watch it on saturday mornings with my dad. So beleive it or not, I've probably been watching wrestling longer than 95% of the people on this forum.

I was a huge fan back in the late 80's and early 90's so I saw a lot of Hart. I don't think I criticized him in this thread. He was brilliant in the ring and had a very big following.

The problem with Hart is that after the first steriod scandal, Vince threw him in the main event (He may have won a Heavyweight title beofre this so correct me if I'm worng). He just did not have the mic skills or charisma to be a captivating main eventer capable of drawing huge numbers.

I've said it once and I'll say it a million times, Harts most significant contribution was putting Austin over. Thats what he will and should be remembered for. His second most significant contribution was being the driving force in creating the Mr. Mcmahon character. So basically, without Hart, there would be no attitude era.

 

[Soulpower]

Thats what he will and should be remembered for.

The Montreal Screwjob would like a word with you... That's probably what he'll be remembered for.

 

[ROHisWrestling]

Bret Hart was one of the best wrestlers in the world when he was still wrestling, he is a true legend and he definately is alot better than John Cena. While I dont really call myself a Cena "hater", I am sick of him with the WWE Title and I also feel that he isnt good in the ring. Anyway...the bottom line is, their really isnt any point of debating this because clearly Bret "The Hitman" Hart>John Cena

 

[CenaMark54]

Thats what he will and should be remembered for.

The Montreal Screwjob would like a word with you... That's probably what he'll be remembered for.

Like I said, that played a huge role in basically making the Mr McMhon character. However, where would the WWE be right now if Hart never put Austin over? Would Austin have been as successful as he was without the rub he recieved from Hart? Probably not.

 

[Montana]

If you've been watching wrestling 22 some years, i still find it odd, you selected two opposites. I mean, i could make a thread Andre the Giant is greater than Chris Beniot.

_ andre didn't kill his wife

- Andre was in the biggest match of all time

- Andre put over hogan

See my point? If you've been watchin for 22 years, i'd imagine you'd have some respect for the legend of bret hart. Just because he was put into the spotlight doesnt mean he didnt find his groove.

 

[Soulpower]

Like I said, that played a huge role in basically making the Mr McMhon character. However, where would the WWE be right now if Hart never put Austin over? Would Austin have been as successful as he was without the rub he recieved from Hart? Probably not.

All right, but if the screwjob doesn't happen, Vince the character doesn't exist and Austin's most famous feud doesn't happen, does it?

 

[CenaMark54]

If you've been watching wrestling 22 some years, i still find it odd, you selected two opposites. I mean, i could make a thread Andre the Giant is greater than Chris Beniot.

_ andre didn't kill his wife

- Andre was in the biggest match of all time

- Andre put over hogan

See my point? If you've been watchin for 22 years, i'd imagine you'd have some respect for the legend of bret hart. Just because he was put into the spotlight doesnt mean he didnt find his groove.

I do respect the legend of Bret Hart. I just rewatched Hart/Austin from 13 and I would have to say its probably my favorite Mania match.

Hart is one of the top 10 WWE wrestlers ever in my book. I wasn't trying to totally bury Hart in this thread. I think this is a fair discussion. What do you like better? What is more important to you? Entertainment or technical wrestling? I personally prefer larger than life characters who do a great job portraying those characters.

It doesn't mean I can't respect good in ring work. One of my favorites growing up was Dibiase. The guy played a great character, but he was also fantastic in the ring and probably one of the most underrated in ring workers ever.

When you look at Cena, I think you have to look at where the WWE would be right now if he wasn't around. Who would be carrying the company? Much like Ausitin back in the late 90's. He saved the WWE and carried it on his shoulders. He brought it out of the slump created during the time when Hart was the main man. Hart was never able to carry the WWE during the pre attitude days like Hogan was able to in the 80's or Cena is doing now.

 

[Montana]

Who would lead the company... hmm good question


I honestly think Randy Orton would be dominant. He may not be the super face, but he would have a longggg heel run as champ. Batista would likely be one of the bigger faces, along with HHH. I think Carlito would main eventing by now. Edge would be Edge.

Both Cena and Hart are great. Right now, i'd have to give the nod to hart, but Cena will be huge in a few years.

 

[Mike Chaos]

Everyone has the (insert number) moves of doom. It's the moves the crowd most responds to and looks forward to seeing during every match. Every popular wrestler has them DUH! Usually its to set up their finisher the climax of the match. Its like sex. The finisher is when you cum, everything else before that is foreplay. The Rock, Triple H, Hogan, Cena, Bret Hart, RVD, HBK (everyone says he had them out of no where these days when I never noticed ever). Any move that gets a response or is unique will be used a lot clearly.

 

[Beer Money Army]

oh Gosh That Hogan vs andre was a big draw match. but the match it self was overrated. i would say 5/10 Match..... but Andre is the best over 7 footer ever and Big show would be 2nd along with Kevin nash (but sometimes nash is called 6'10 or 6'11 like Kane)......

Personally i would wanna watch technical wrestling and great matches rather than entertainment wrestling.... i like some characters. but alot of the over the top characters are too cartoonish in my mind...

i was watch this Nitro in 1997 and Sting Bash up 7 nwo Members (thats were Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, Curt Hennig, Scott norton, Buff Bagwell, vincent, Konnan) Yes he had his Bat with him and then he drop it and use punches. but in reality that wouldnt happen Unless you got the Kicking skills/smartness skills of an bruce lee and a punching skills of M.Ali......

I like angle/storylines to be more realeastic rather than way over the top/way over booked.

Thats probably why I thought angle vs cena survivior series 2005 Match was an almost 3 star match. Because it was too over booked or The Mcmahons/b show vs DX wasn't the best HIAC match i seen in a long time. it was a good Match but meh.. HHH overselled too much in that like he did in there summerslam 2006 contest.

But in wrestling term. bret Hart > John cena....

Bret hart Vs austin feud is one of my favourite Feuds.. because it was storyline depth well and then he feuded with owen hart after that. there storyline was awesome. but there matches sucked... Summerslam 97 was alright but due to austin neck injury it hurt the ending badly. but you can't do anything if you brake your neck, he was very lucky to be walking. There S.Series 97 only went 2-4 Mins and it blowned and made Owen hart looked very weak....I knew Austin was going out on top on the feud. But it could of been longer Match to put Owen top.

but Bret Hart wasn't arrogant like Hogan he put Austin over. because he could see austin as being the future......

not like HBk in WM 14 he didnt want to put austin over.. Hell they didn't make HBK/Owen for Rumble 98. that feud for that storyline would of been the feud to Put Owen hart in Main event status That he deserved....