Jeff Hardy taking a jab directed to CM Punk?

[Jose Tortilla]

SES didn't made him anything imo. He just got buried a few times, that's the only memory I have from the stable.

 

[Wacokid27]

ECW allowed Punk to be introduced to the WWE "Universe" (although him winning the ECW Title from Big Show in the Elimination Chamber would have sped up his career).

Winning MITB got Punk noticed. Winning the WHC right afterwards showed Punk had some respect in the back and was his first shot at the big time. He failed to really get over.

The Hardy feud showed how good he could be as a heel (although you'd think the anti-drug character would be the face in the feud, but.....#wwelogic).

The SES showed that Punk could be the top heel in the company (there just wasn't an opening for the spot at the time, then Creative took over and f**ked the angle up).

The "shoot" and the ensuing feud with Cena/McMahon/etc. are what has made him the #2 guy and top heel in the company.

End result: Hardy played an important part in his development as a WWE performer, but the talent has always been there. Just watch the "Summer of Punk" DVD that ROH put out. I do agree with something that Heyman says on the BITW DVD: WWE initially didn't have a clue what to do with Punk, which probably cost him two years or so of his career.

Oh, and TNA fan that I am, Punk > Hardy.

wk

 

[Jose Tortilla]

ECW allowed Punk to be introduced to the WWE "Universe" (although him winning the ECW Title from Big Show in the Elimination Chamber would have sped up his career).

Winning MITB got Punk noticed. Winning the WHC right afterwards showed Punk had some respect in the back and was his first shot at the big time. He failed to really get over.

The Hardy feud showed how good he could be as a heel (although you'd think the anti-drug character would be the face in the feud, but.....#wwelogic).

The SES showed that Punk could be the top heel in the company (there just wasn't an opening for the spot at the time, then Creative took over and f**ked the angle up).

The "shoot" and the ensuing feud with Cena/McMahon/etc. are what has made him the #2 guy and top heel in the company.

End result: Hardy played an important part in his development as a WWE performer, but the talent has always been there. Just watch the "Summer of Punk" DVD that ROH put out. I do agree with something that Heyman says on the BITW DVD: WWE initially didn't have a clue what to do with Punk, which probably cost him two years or so of his career.

Oh, and TNA fan that I am, Punk > Hardy.

wk

Thanks for the post, but fuck you for the last part. :finger:

 

[Jose Tortilla]

From AidsJohnson:

its another shitty halfassed jeff hardy promo. Dude is burned out on the mic and still deserves more than the CM punk half assed children/idiotmarks who think cena is garbage but hand over their hearts to a guy who looks as stale as sheamus in july. Hardy drops the title to Roode, who is clearly the best of TNA, but Punk? Backstage politics keep him in play while people like DB and DZ stay in the back, deserving the real win.

 

[Wacokid27]

I love Jeff. He's come a long way. When he broke in, he was simply a spot monkey. He's learned a lot, but his mic skills are still very subpar for a main event guy in a major promotion (I think there are 3 "major" promotions, WWE, TNA, and ROH, just for clarification).

Punk is the total package. He can play face or heel. He can work the mic. He can do high-risk without it being all he can do. He's got some mat wrestling ability.

Dude's got it all.

wk

 

[Testify]

Jeff Hardy or CM Punk?

Bigger star IMO: Jeff Hardy (yeah, still)

Better in-ring: CM Plunk

Better on mic: Plunk

Bigger attraction: Jeff Hardy

I guess they're 60:40 in perchents for Plunk, but that's just my awesome opinion, even though I have more respect and appreciation for Hardy as wrestler and person.