I've grown to hate The Rock.

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[JeebaK]

CM Punk vs. John Cena, Money in the Bank. No matter what you say, he put on a GREAT match. John Cena is "lazy" in the ring because he doesn't need to be much more, the kids don't want to see 60-minute Iron Man matches with 15 minutes of ground game.
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Have you even seen the videos that were put in this topic, or are you too scared to get disappointed? You sound like a goddamn fundamentalist.

He was good in that MITB match, however one or two exceptional good matches doesnt make up for his other matches. He DOES need to be much more, unless his main aim is to please the kids. Saying he DOESNT need to be much more is unsuilting to all those wrestlers like Benoit Eddy Umaga Owen etc who died fighting for this industry.

And yes i have seen the videos and already replied to them, im sure u missed my post.

 

[Lockard 23]

How anyone can think that Cena has ever owned The Rock is beyond me. I think it's impossible for him to do so, because in my mind (kayfabe speaking), Cena doesn't really have much of a valid point. He says that Rock left wrestling and went to Hollywood whereas he (Cena) would never do such a thing because he's just that passionate about wrestling. Ok. And?

So, like a lot of people in real life, Rock was passionate about one thing (wrestling), and then he naturally became passionate about another career and left for that one from his previous one? Rock is a bad guy for this? Should he have stayed in the WWE even after he wanted to have a career in movies instead? I guess Cena is one of these people in real life where they feel if you ever get into one specific kind of career, you're apparently indebted to stay in that profession for life.

Cena's promo on Raw this past Monday was a good promo but he didn't say anything he hasn't already said before. I didn't think he had much of a point before, nor did I think he had much of a point here either.

 

[Crayo]

Not talking about his leaving comments. Look at this weeks promo and the promo where ROck & Cena were in the ring together (before Miz interrupted). He made Rock look stupid both times. If you don't think he said anything he hasn't before, I advise you to watch it again lol.

 

[Lockard 23]

I saw the one from this past Monday. He said he was here and Rock wasn't. I fail to see how that is making The Rock look stupid. It still all seems to come down to Cena saying how Rock isn't as passionate about the business as he is, and his reason being that Cena has never left for several years for a career in Hollywood. He's been saying this forever, it was actually these comments that Cena made in real life that prompted the whole feud between them in the first place.

I watched the other video from last year that was posted earlier in this thread, because I had never seen it before (I wasn't watching Raw at the time.) Even that seemed a bit soft.

 

[Crayo]

So his 6 minute promo was him saying he was there and Rock wasn't? As I said, watch it again. Some pretty personal disses were in there, hence why it's being known as Cena's shoot promo.

The promo with Rock and Miz in the ring was amazing. Rock insulted Cena's shirt colour, WOW AMAZING. Cena made Rock's disses look childish and when he done what Rock asked him to (address him face to face) all he said was he'll whip his monkey ass over Chicago after Cena's speech. That was when Rock looked stupid. Rock's yet to get the better of Cena in my opinion.

 

[Lockard 23]

Yes, the promo was what Cena has said before. That Rock left but Cena didn't, that Cena is still here and Rock isn't, that he doesn't respect The Rock, etc. I can't wait till Rock shows up on Raw next Monday, as he'll blow Cena away on the mic (if they end up in the same ring.)

And Rock's disses are often childish, but the magic of them is his delivery, being able to make otherwise childish jokes funny. Austin was similar in a way, it doesn't take a whole lot of creativity to cuss or tell people that he'll whip their ass, but Austin's whole charisma and delivery is what made those kind of promos seem special.

 

[Crayo]

What makes you think Rock will blow him away if they're in the ring together? Cena won last time in that encounter, even Rock marks were admitting that. I'm excited for the promo Rock will deliver as I want to see what he has to say to Cena, I'm hoping he makes it personal too and avoids the overused annoying catch phrases.

Cena has never mentioned Rock coming back for money/promotion of his film, insulted him as a person (which he did last week, mentioning how going into movies changed him). It was much more personal, I struggle to see how you can't see that :S. Not too fond of Rock marks (not aiming this at you, aiming it to Rock marks in general) who can't admit when Cena does something good, or something better than The Rock. So far Rock hasn't put Cena "in his place" which is what I and many other fans expected last year on the mic, Cena is more than hanging in there.

Similar to HHH vs Punk last year. Quite a few of the HHH marks thought HHH would blow Punk away on the mic if he went serious, it ended up with Punk completely humiliating HHH and leaving him speechless.

Either way if Rock makes it personal then this feud could become insane.

 

[SpaceR]

What makes you think Rock will blow him away if they're in the ring together? Cena won last time in that encounter, even Rock marks were admitting that. I'm excited for the promo Rock will deliver as I want to see what he has to say to Cena, I'm hoping he makes it personal too and avoids the overused annoying catch phrases.

Cena has never mentioned Rock coming back for money/promotion of his film, insulted him as a person (which he did last week, mentioning how going into movies changed him). It was much more personal, I struggle to see how you can't see that :S. Not too fond of Rock marks (not aiming this at you, aiming it to Rock marks in general) who can't admit when Cena does something good, or something better than The Rock. So far Rock hasn't put Cena "in his place" which is what I and many other fans expected last year on the mic, Cena is more than hanging in there.

Similar to HHH vs Punk last year. Quite a few of the HHH marks thought HHH would blow Punk away on the mic if he went serious, it ended up with Punk completely humiliating HHH and leaving him speechless.

Either way if Rock makes it personal then this feud could become insane.

You've proved JeebaK wrong a number of times, just let him be.

 

[Lockard 23]

I admit when Cena does something good, the promo last Monday was good. Just saying (and I could be wrong) that Cena has at some point said all of those things about The Rock before because that's how this feud got started by carrying over from what Cena has said about The Rock in real life. Maybe Cena hasn't got that personal or specific on the show before (again, I wasn't watching Raw last year) and maybe I'm just thinking of Cena saying them in real life.

And I did watch a promo from last year between Rock and Cena. If it's the one where Cena mentioned about not taking advice from the Tooth Fairy, then he didn't seem to own The Rock in that one. I would say that neither one of them really one-upped each other in that promo.

I think The Rock will blow Cena away on Raw because the feud has to look balanced and even on both sides. Cena got his 'shoot' promo from this past Monday that a lot of people liked, and now it's Rock turn. And if it's true that Cena outdid The Rock in a separate one-on-one promo that I haven't yet seen, then that's all the more reason why WWE might want Rock to now one-up Cena in one.

EDIT: Love how the guy above me is calling me a "troll" just for expressing the opinion that Rock has never been owned by Cena. That's rich stuff.

 

[Crayo]

You watched the wrong one I think. It's where they're head to head in the ring, I would get you a link but this netbook takes too long. Cena rants on Rock saying he's only dissed his shirt colour, his fans being kids and his moral code (hustle loyalty respect), he had like a 4 minute speech and it was pretty epic which consisted that only God can judge John, not Rock. Rock replied with "Yeah, you're right, but God can't save you from me whipping your monkey ass all over Chicago". It just made Rock look a bit stupid.

It has nothing to do with WWE what these guys are saying in my opinion, both of them have the right to say as they please out there. They'll get nothing handed to them but a few bullet points (to sell the PPV). You're right though, John made it personal so Rock could do the same which I hope, even though the Rock marks will treat it as the best promo of all time whilst slating John. It will definitely sell this feud over to the fans which it needs as Rock can't appear every week.

 

[SpaceR]

I admit when Cena does something good, the promo last Monday was good. Just saying (and I could be wrong) that Cena has at some point said all of those things about The Rock before because that's how this feud got started by carrying over from what Cena has said about The Rock in real life. Maybe Cena hasn't got that personal or specific on the show before (again, I wasn't watching Raw last year) and maybe I'm just thinking of Cena saying them in real life.

And I did watch a promo from last year between Rock and Cena. If it's the one where Cena mentioned about not taking advice from the Tooth Fairy, then he didn't seem to own The Rock in that one. I would say that neither one of them really one-upped each other in that promo.

I think The Rock will blow Cena away on Raw because the feud has to look balanced and even on both sides. Cena got his 'shoot' promo from this past Monday that a lot of people liked, and now it's Rock turn. And if it's true that Cena outdid The Rock in a separate one-on-one promo that I haven't yet seen, then that's all the more reason why WWE might want Rock to now one-up Cena in one.

EDIT: Love how the guy above me is calling me a "troll" just for expressing the opinion that Rock has never been owned by Cena. That's rich stuff.

Not you, JeebaK. lol

 

[AceInfinity]

I don't hate him but some of his marks who can't accept the attitude era is dead do annoy me.

Yeah, and so the soap opera era starts. I'd rather have the attitude 'era' then what the WWE is now. The only reason it's changed is so that it starts to attract more of the women audience of course who couldn't stand the tension in the way WWE was back then.

The attitude 'era' was the only reason I watched WWE before, now it's almost like a bunch of panzies running around on stage having hissy fights. The whole drama scenario between Santino and Maria...

I'd rather have it back in the days where things were good like the time with Brock Lesnar and Goldberg, or Steve Austin.

 

[Crayo]

I don't think many would argue that they prefer the PG era to the attitude era, but there's no need (in my opinion) to go on and on about how the AE was better instead of enjoying the good out of the current era and critique the bad. We've been treated too some pretty good story-lines in the PG era, just WWE didn't capitalize on them.

The Cena vs Punk story-line was as interesting in the beginning stages as most of the attitude era story-lines, it just didn't reach to its potential. That there is proof that the PG era isn't the reason for a bad product.

 

[AceInfinity]

I don't think many would argue that they prefer the PG era to the attitude era, but there's no need (in my opinion) to go on and on about how the AE was better instead of enjoying the good out of the current era and critique the bad

Touche'...

I only put my critique in there because this is a forum about WWE, and that's just my opinion lol. I don't watch it as much anymore though, so I would have never said that really since it doesn't concern me how WWE runs in today's day and age, it still seems to be popular. Just not my thing.

The Cena vs Punk story-line was as interesting in the beginning stages as most of the attitude era story-lines, it just didn't reach to its potential. That there is proof that the PG era isn't the reason for a bad product.

Not the reason, but I think the superstar's themselves are also responsible for some of the storylines that go on. Not just the chairman, and with that being said, maybe the last generation of superstars were more passionate or inventive and imaginative on some of the things that they could do?

Not a clue, but for some reason, I just don't like some of the newer guys. It seemed back in the older days it was more about the wrestling, and less about each superstar's personal arrogance. Now it's always about showing off it seems. Not that it was back then, however, just in a less disciplinary way for example. It was less about the talk, and more about "showing it".